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May 15, 2022 16:56:30   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Unfortunately, as per your question, unlike many of the knowledgable members here of uHH, I am not intimately familiar with every piece of equipment that I do not use or have first-hand experience with. Some of us professionals are kinda boring as compared to camera collectors or the folks that are continuously changing up their gear. If, however, you find your preset gear is not addressing your needs, it is best to arrange an in-person demonstration of the various makes and models you are considering.

In my own cases, I find a make and system that addressed my requirements and use it until it no longer addresses my needs or finally disintegrates. Usually, when I am finished with a camera it has little or no resale value!

My advice is to stick with compatibility. Select a camera that is compatible with your present lens inventory, unless you want to reinvest more glass. For a number of reasons, I started with Canon gear when I finally transitioned all my studio operations to digital. Nothing wrong with Nikon or Sony, it was just that I had some special purpose Canan glass from my previous film systems.

For me, it is difficult to advise on a camera or system for anyone else. It's a matter of ergonomics. Each person has different levels of dexterity, the ability to steady large cameras and lenses, and of course specific photographic needs.

As for cross-brand adaptation, just make certain conversion will accommodate prop focusing at infinity, etc.

At the time, I have no need for a mirrorless camera. Perhaps they are more nimble and handy for fast shootg situations. After many years of shooting action, sports, events and more with big bulkey large and medium form film equipment and heavy flash units, my preset DSLR system seems almost weightless.

As for flash, again the compatibility things are important. I do most of my flash work in manual mode but if you depend on TTL exposure management, you need to make certain that your flash gear is compatible with any new camer system.
Unfortunately, as per your question, unlike many o... (show quote)


Thanks for responding. A lot to digest here and will start from the bottom. I shot TLR's including the hefty Mamiya C330f for years. Any current SLR is far, far better. Most of my flash work is on the move so I do not use manual. I am pretty conservative about changing gear. I would rather take pictures than to test gear. I like what I have now but know that at some point, the newest equipment is sufficiently improved to justify upgrading. If the camera companies never came out with another new product, I would be happy with what I have today.

I am also cautious about changing brands because of surprises later on about needing to buy pieces that I thought would work with the new body.

I appreciate your input.

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May 15, 2022 16:59:13   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Perhaps a 7D with better focusing performance?


I ruled out full-frame some time ago. I do not want the extra weight and I do not need the larger file sizes. For me, accurate focusing is as much about my own technique as it is about the camera's performance.

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May 15, 2022 17:16:46   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
Stick with what you have. The price of going to the R does not out way its advantages. The Sony is a lemon.
When you are able to make a list of the things about the camera that you are thinking about going to that are better than the one that you have and the list outweighs the price then it is time to think about upgrading

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May 15, 2022 17:19:18   #
BebuLamar
 
abc1234 wrote:
I ruled out full-frame some time ago. I do not want the extra weight and I do not need the larger file sizes. For me, accurate focusing is as much about my own technique as it is about the camera's performance.


What?? The Canon EOS-7d is an APS-C camera and you never want full frame but consider the EOS-R? Besides going mirrorless isn't a way to reduce weight. The file size is related to the MP and not the camera is full frame or not.

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May 15, 2022 17:31:29   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
abc1234 wrote:
Thanks for your response. I do not mind learning a new camera but I am not nearly as open to buying all new lenses. I have all Sigma: 105 macro, 24-70 f/2.8, 70-200 f/2.8, and 150-600 C. A lot of glass to rebuy. Plus the expensive 550EX flash.


If those are full frame lenses, then I would stick with Canon. Get the Canon adapter for EOS to R mount conversion.

As Chg_Canon (Paul) said, the Metabones adapter for Canon to Sony works, but it is unpredictable in its execution of automation. If you expect fast, accurate AF, stick with the same brand body and a native adapter.

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May 15, 2022 18:06:03   #
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BebuLamar wrote:
What?? The Canon EOS-7d is an APS-C camera and you never want full frame but consider the EOS-R? Besides going mirrorless isn't a way to reduce weight. The file size is related to the MP and not the camera is full frame or not.

This thread is hugely polluted with inane misinformation, but you have just nailed the gold medalist at it, and it leads right back to the origins :-(


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May 15, 2022 18:22:48   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
abc1234 wrote:
Please see my other post on my lenses. I sure do like those Sigma's. Going down on file size is out of the question. I agree with you. Why the change? To save some weight and size, to improve sensor quality, in-body stabilization, and better focusing. I am not sure how noticeable the difference in sensor quality might be, the stabilization is not that big of a deal for me. The focusing is. For still or nearly subjects, the 80D is fine. For sports and wildlife in motion, I am never quite satisfied with the 80D focusing performance. I do not know how much is myself or the camera.
Please see my other post on my lenses. I sure do ... (show quote)


I think IBIS is a game-changing mirrorless technology. But, it needs to complement other positive developments. It's not worth it alone.

In general the size benefit is negligible, but does depend on the specific cameras and lenses being compared. As long as full-frame lenses remain involved, the weight difference many times makes no appreciable change, even if the size is reduced.

Your EOS 80D might not be as sophisticated as a few options on higher EOS tiers. Your EOS 80D has many of the same advanced options in AI Servo as these higher-tier cameras. Adapted lenses onto the Sony body are extremely unlikely to perform as good as natives lenses on their native bodies, especially for action. The EOS R had a firmware update for eye-tracking AF, but I wouldn't expect the EOS R to perform noticeably better in a compelling way to change.

Focusing for sports / wildlife includes both the camera set-up and shooting technique. If you have done so already, the best approach is to post unedited JPEGs demonstrating issues with a focused discussion on actionable ideas specific to those images, and the camera and lens settings.

For the other questions about adapters, the EOS mirrorless camera are a native RF mount. Only Canon RF lenses will mount directly to these bodies. The EF-RF adapter supports all Canon EF and EF-S lenses. Third-party EF lenses should work fine with this adapter too, but Canon doesn't make any claims about non Canon equipment.

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May 15, 2022 19:33:21   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
abc1234 wrote:
When you say 100% compatible, do you mean that I do not need the lens mount adapter?


No.
You need the adapter.
After that it is 100% compatible.
No other camera system that you can adapt your EF type lenses will not be 100% compatible.
And as I said before the control ring adapter will make your EF work like RF lenses with special features unique only to Canon EF lenses on R bodies. So yes an adapter is needed but it does not hinder function or IQ in any way but improves functionality.
Only Canon does this with their old DSLR (and EF film lenses) on their mirrorless R bodies.

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May 15, 2022 19:40:49   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
abc1234 wrote:
I am seeing conflicting information here. Is the adapter absolutely necessary? Are you saying two different adapters are available?


There are several adapters one is just a tube that transfers information and holds the lens the proper distance from the sensor.
The Control adapter is the same ring but has a movable ring on it to give you the same custom features as found on new RF lenses while using EF lenses. Look it up.
The other adapter option holds filters which is great for lenses that do not take filters on the front or they are so large as to be very expensive. This way regardless of the filter size on the front of the lens you can use the same size filter regardless of lens being used.
Again this is a feature unique to only Canon as far as I know.

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May 16, 2022 00:16:19   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I think IBIS is a game-changing mirrorless technology. But, it needs to complement other positive developments. It's not worth it alone.

In general the size benefit is negligible, but does depend on the specific cameras and lenses being compared. As long as full-frame lenses remain involved, the weight difference many times makes no appreciable change, even if the size is reduced.

Your EOS 80D might not be as sophisticated as a few options on higher EOS tiers. Your EOS 80D has many of the same advanced options in AI Servo as these higher-tier cameras. Adapted lenses onto the Sony body are extremely unlikely to perform as good as natives lenses on their native bodies, especially for action. The EOS R had a firmware update for eye-tracking AF, but I wouldn't expect the EOS R to perform noticeably better in a compelling way to change.

Focusing for sports / wildlife includes both the camera set-up and shooting technique. If you have done so already, the best approach is to post unedited JPEGs demonstrating issues with a focused discussion on actionable ideas specific to those images, and the camera and lens settings.

For the other questions about adapters, the EOS mirrorless camera are a native RF mount. Only Canon RF lenses will mount directly to these bodies. The EF-RF adapter supports all Canon EF and EF-S lenses. Third-party EF lenses should work fine with this adapter too, but Canon doesn't make any claims about non Canon equipment.
I think IBIS is a game-changing mirrorless technol... (show quote)


Thank you. I am being to sense this whole thing might be a matter of throwing a lot of money at a slight overall benefit.

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May 16, 2022 07:26:50   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
As always, I offer online comparisons -

https://www.rtings.com/camera/tools/compare/canon-eos-r-vs-sony-a6600/8713/8716?usage=11636&threshold=0.10
https://camerarace.com/en-us/compare/camera/Sony-Alpha-a6600_vs_Canon-EOS-R/
https://cameradecision.com/compare/Sony-Alpha-a6600-vs-Canon-EOS-R
https://www.imaging-resource.com/cameras/canon/eos-r/vs/sony/a6600/
https://cameracreativ.com/compare/canon-eos-r-vs-sony-a6600

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May 16, 2022 09:00:07   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
abc1234 wrote:
Thank you. I am being to sense this whole thing might be a matter of throwing a lot of money at a slight overall benefit.


Although I would never talk anyone out of a GAS attack, I will point out that a dollar spent on photographic experience or photographic education is probably just as valuable — if not more so — than a dollar spent on new hardware.

Great tools make great outcomes easier. Great knowledge and experience make great outcomes possible, more likely, and more frequent.

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May 16, 2022 09:02:51   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Michael Jordon got better in the gym, not in the shoe store.

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May 16, 2022 09:08:07   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
abc1234 wrote:
I am mulling over going from my Canon 80D to either the Canon EOS R or Sony A6600. I have several Sigma lenses and a Canon flash. Either camera would require a lens adapter and the Sony would require a new flash. The Canon is in stock while the Sony is backordered. The Canon is full-frame while the Sony is APS-C. Neither this nor the file size is a significant matter to me. I do like the smaller Sony body. The main thing I am looking for is great accuracy in focusing. People, sports, wildlife and flowers are my main subjects.

What would you advise to do: stick with the 80D or switch to the R or A6600? Or do you suggest another move?

Thanks in advance. Please stay on topic.
I am mulling over going from my Canon 80D to eithe... (show quote)


I have the 80D and I have a full frame Sony A99. Both great cameras and I have great lenses also and have used the Canon 300 2.8. Keep that in mind - cause I am going to throw you and everyone here a curve ball.....

I recently obtained the Sony RX10m4 and I HIGHLY recommend it - your cost/weight/adaptation issues ALL go AWAY. Yes, it is hard to believe that it could be that good - but it IS. It is not perfect for everything - but almost !

..........Moma Wood duck shot yesterday - 600mm f5.6 ISO 400 1/640 hand held very late afternoon light with some cropping.

Please do the download and READ Rockwell's review ......yes, I know he likes to BS sometimes ......

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May 16, 2022 09:09:02   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
burkphoto wrote:
Although I would never talk anyone out of a GAS attack, I will point out that a dollar spent on photographic experience or photographic education is probably just as valuable — if not more so — than a dollar spent on new hardware.

Great tools make great outcomes easier. Great knowledge and experience make great outcomes possible, more likely, and more frequent.



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