mirrorless Nikon Df???
Sep 28, 2021 07:00:29 #
Considering the current sales rate of cameras, I'd be surprised if Nikon invested in that kind of iffy product. They need something to compete against Sony's lineup.
Sep 28, 2021 09:23:40 #
Retina
Loc: Near Charleston,SC
jerryc41 wrote:
As much as I would love to see a FF mirrorless that can use the oldest F mount pre-Ai lenses offering full aperture metering, IBIS, DOF preview, and a focusing aid, I doubt there is enough demand to make the investment pay off, unless maybe as a parting gift for some retiring senior Nikon VP.Considering the current sales rate of cameras, I'd be surprised if Nikon invested in that kind of iffy product. They need something to compete against Sony's lineup.
Sep 28, 2021 11:25:54 #
Retina wrote:
As much as I would love to see a FF mirrorless that can use the oldest F mount pre-Ai lenses offering full aperture metering, IBIS, DOF preview, and a focusing aid, I doubt there is enough demand to make the investment pay off, unless maybe as a parting gift for some retiring senior Nikon VP.
You can't have everything.
A mirrorless version with the FTZ adapter already limits how far back you can go before you start to lose some functionality. Most other adapters give up functionality to begin with.
It's time for an upgrade to the Df to have something better than the Z fc when it comes to noise and maybe get a little more resolution.
Going mirrorless is makes more sense than a Df II.
Sep 28, 2021 11:29:35 #
User ID wrote:
Thinking of the digital Pen-F. It doesn’t mimic a DSLR, it mimics a 1/2 frame film SLR. Nikon could build something similar to the Sony a7-c but with a more retro controls arrangement.
The digital Pen-F was a rangefinder-shaped mirrorless digital recreation of the early 1960s rangefinder-shaped Pen F (note the lack of hyphen) SLR film camera. Neither is a rangefinder, but they evoke the appearance of 1950s Canon, Nikon, and Leica rangefinder models.
Apparently, childhood nostalgia will lead some people to buy a camera that looks like something their parents might have used...
I had a Nikkormat FTn and a Nikon FM. Both look vaguely similar to the Zfc. But I have no desire to buy a camera based on looks. It has to feel right, perform well for my needs, and "get out of my (mental) way" when I'm working.
The ultimate film cameras that did that for me were my Nikon F3 and F3HP. Those were orders of magnitude better cameras than the Nikkormat FTn, the FM, and the Nikon FTn I had previously. But do I want a digital version? Meh.
Sep 28, 2021 12:52:23 #
The Z fc doesn't have in-body image stabilization...
Which is the only parameter my current DSLR's lack which I am seriously interested in.
Reason? I've been slowing procuring AI and AI-S glass which have outstanding optical qualities.
I shot manual focus commercially for over a decade in the 1970's and can deal with that for portraiture.
While using a tripod in my studio isn't an issue it certainly is on location.
Having in-body stabilization (IBIS) is what will be pivotal for me to migrate to Nikon mirrorless.
If you've never used AI or AI-S glass you may not comprehend the mechanical precision and stellar optical properties they bring to the table. For Studio and Location Portraiture they can (and do) work.
btw, not a fan of the Df or retro controls.
The current classic DSLR control layout work for me... love my Nikon D3x!
Any thoughts on which Nikon mirrorless has the most effective (IBIS) and focus peaking?
Also while the Nikon D780 has focus peaking does it's implementation of IBIS work for stills? Or only video?
Thanks! And to all please stay safe...
Which is the only parameter my current DSLR's lack which I am seriously interested in.
Reason? I've been slowing procuring AI and AI-S glass which have outstanding optical qualities.
I shot manual focus commercially for over a decade in the 1970's and can deal with that for portraiture.
While using a tripod in my studio isn't an issue it certainly is on location.
Having in-body stabilization (IBIS) is what will be pivotal for me to migrate to Nikon mirrorless.
If you've never used AI or AI-S glass you may not comprehend the mechanical precision and stellar optical properties they bring to the table. For Studio and Location Portraiture they can (and do) work.
btw, not a fan of the Df or retro controls.
The current classic DSLR control layout work for me... love my Nikon D3x!
Any thoughts on which Nikon mirrorless has the most effective (IBIS) and focus peaking?
Also while the Nikon D780 has focus peaking does it's implementation of IBIS work for stills? Or only video?
Thanks! And to all please stay safe...
Sep 28, 2021 13:00:08 #
Retina
Loc: Near Charleston,SC
burkphoto wrote:
...Apparently, childhood nostalgia will lead some people to buy a camera that looks like something their parents might have used...
At least for me, it's about function, specifically being able to use once prime NIKKORs with the same features from the Nikon F with the benefits of mirrorless, especially focus peaking and IBIS. The old F didn't shake (much) until after the mirror closed, and the viewfinder is a lot clearer than any DSLR I have been able to try. Adapters with MILC bodies come close, but this topic was about a mirrorless Df. With IBIS and peaking, it sounds like it would get some people who are (in my case, unfortunately) long past worrying about looks to resurrect their old lens collections.
Sep 28, 2021 13:59:29 #
flip1948 wrote:
NikonRumors today reprinted a translated article b... (show quote)
Geeze, and I thought the Df was based on the film F4. Sorry for remembering something so ancient. The F2 goes back to '69.
Sep 28, 2021 14:29:43 #
This is what I have been waiting for, a compact full frame mirrorles Zf.
Although the Df is the closest to my dream camera in terms of looks, is still chunky and bulky enough to not pass the mustard like the Zfc, but that's a cropped sensor camera.
I want (I don’t need) a full frame Zf. Hopefully it will materialize sometime before I'm gone. Hope Nikon, don't get too timid about it.
Although the Df is the closest to my dream camera in terms of looks, is still chunky and bulky enough to not pass the mustard like the Zfc, but that's a cropped sensor camera.
I want (I don’t need) a full frame Zf. Hopefully it will materialize sometime before I'm gone. Hope Nikon, don't get too timid about it.
Sep 28, 2021 14:52:16 #
The Z6 actually looks more retro than a Df ... if “more” means older. It has a rather 1940s style to it.
Acoarst Nikon knew that modern lenses look out of place on the Df and so they released a special retro normal. Well it’s the same with the 1940s look of the Z6. To support that vintage look, you need a compatible lens ... meaning none of the modern Z-mount lenses.
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Acoarst Nikon knew that modern lenses look out of place on the Df and so they released a special retro normal. Well it’s the same with the 1940s look of the Z6. To support that vintage look, you need a compatible lens ... meaning none of the modern Z-mount lenses.
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Sep 28, 2021 14:55:58 #
User ID wrote:
The Z6 actually looks more retro than a Df ... if “more” means older. It has a rather 1940s style to it.
Acoarst Nikon knew that modern lenses look out of place on the Df and so released a special retro normal. Well it’s the same with the 1940s look of the Z6. To support that vintage look, you need a compatible lens ... meaning NOT a modern Z-mount lens.
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Acoarst Nikon knew that modern lenses look out of place on the Df and so released a special retro normal. Well it’s the same with the 1940s look of the Z6. To support that vintage look, you need a compatible lens ... meaning NOT a modern Z-mount lens.
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The only thing not retro about the Z mount is that it's too big. No old cameras have mount that big in diameter. Otherwise Nikon can make the lens looks retro.
Sep 28, 2021 15:05:53 #
Retina wrote:
At least for me, it's about function, specifically... (show quote)
I have several older Nikkor lenses. One is pre-AI, a 55mm Micro Nikkor f/3.5. It makes a good portrait lens and macro combination on Micro 4/3 cameras with an adapter. My 35mm f/2 AI Nikkor is a nice interview lens for video on Micro 4/3. My 24mm f/2.8 AI Nikkor sucks for all uses, just as it did on film! (I think I got a lemon. It was always blurry on the left fifth of the frame.)
I'm currently digitizing all my negatives from my youth. I'm learning that the old lenses are NOT as sharp as the new ones, but they do have a creamy/dreamy character when used wide open that's useful. The latest optics are sharp with a tendency toward sterility.
Sep 28, 2021 15:12:48 #
BebuLamar wrote:
The only thing not retro about the Z mount is that it's too big. No old cameras have mount that big in diameter. Otherwise Nikon can make the lens looks retro.
You’re seeing with your intellect, not with your eyes. You dismiss appearances and substitute prior knowledge.
That quaintly awkward looking oversized round thing on the front of the Z6 body is a major element of its 1930s to 1940s look. And it’s NOT the lens mount. It’s the front standard which accepts a round lens board. Lens boards are available with fittings for Leica lenses, Nikon SLR lenses, T-2 and M42 lenses etc. it could also be fitted with a three lens turret if you’re ambitious enough.
Pic below shows a Retro-Z with the M-Leica compatible lens board and a few associated lenses:
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Sep 28, 2021 15:25:41 #
flip1948 wrote:
NikonRumors today reprinted a translated article b... (show quote)
I have about sixty very nice lenses that make me not want to switch (I know there is a converter) but I don't want to mess with it
Sep 28, 2021 15:35:32 #
User ID wrote:
You’re seeing with your intellect, not with your eyes.
The fact you offer about mount size is historically true. But that awkward looking oversized round thing on the front of the body is a major element of the 1930s to 1940s look.
The fact you offer about mount size is historically true. But that awkward looking oversized round thing on the front of the body is a major element of the 1930s to 1940s look.
That's with my eyes. I see on the Zfc the lens mount occupies the entire body which is like no old cameras.
Sep 28, 2021 15:59:04 #
BebuLamar wrote:
That's with my eyes. I see on the Zfc the lens mount occupies the entire body which is like no old cameras.
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