boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

First some facts. Masks are NOT designed to make the wearer safe from any disease. The CDC has said that 70% of mask wearers who wore them constantly caught Covid. Masks may make things worse if not used properly. The mask is supposed to prevent viruses from infecting the wearer. But when constantly touching the mask, for any reason, particles may get on the hands and then when touchin the face the person may contract the disease. The wearer may feel safer but is in fact not. So does masks actually make things worse? Do you notice mask wearers constantly adjusting the masks> Every time the do they might be infecting themselves. So, when wearing your mask DON"T TOUCH IT. That raises a question. How do you take it off without touching it? The recommendation is to throuhly wash your hands. ut noody does after they take the mask off

btbg

I've been trying to say the mask mandates don't work for months now. Don't expect anyone to believe you. States without mask mandates are doing as well or better as states with mask mandates, so it is clear that the mandates don't work.

The reason you give is probably part of why. I have to keep touching my mask because it falls down. I'm not alone. I would much rather take my chances without a mask than be forced to wear one that I know is probably already contaminated.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

LoL

You made the same mistake of fact that trump made in the debate... only he claimed 85% of mask wearers caught covid.

If 70% of mask wearers caught covid we would have something like 100 million cases.


That is not at all what the CDC said...its almost an inverse of what they said...but not really.

They said 70-85% of people that caught covid had been mask wearers...not that 70-85% of mask wearers caught covid.


You just don't ever let facts get in your way do you?

LoL

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

The mask is NOT FOR YOUR PROTECTION.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

The kool-aide drinkers are programmed like trump, it's "the all about me syndrome"

If it doesn't help me directly then to hell with the rest of the people.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

"They're all deplorable scum sucking pigs dalink."

srt101fan

To you mask naysayers, please read the linked posts and tell me where and why you think I'm wrong:

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-656094-1.html#11402347

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-661269-4.html#11504188

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

Facts? Are you kidding. Nobody has the exact percentages or facts. And it shows you are picking things that fit your narrative.

btbg

Where you are wrong is that the data says masks don't work. In theory you may be right, but in practice states without mask mandates are doing as well or better than states with mask mandates. In addition there is growing evidence that a large majority of recent covid cases are coming from people who at least believe that they have been properly wearing masks. So, they aren't stopping the spread of the virus. And Bobric is correct, a lot of people handle their masks, making the mask a petri dish for disease, rather than a protection from disease.

I'm sure medical grade masks offer at least some level of protection. Most people aren't wearing medical grade masks, and if they provide any protection it is extremely limited.

btbg

You are correct, the mask is all about control, since they don't work.

sumo Loc: Houston suburb

“THAT MASK IS GIVING YOU LUNG CANCER” Becky Akers


Yep, not only do they inflict maskne and headaches, but masks also upload carcinogens into your lungs, according to Guy Crittenden, a former editor of HazMat Management. He posted this information on Facebook; thanks to David Mueller for sending it my way.

I happen to know a thing or two about masks and safety. Why? Because for 25 years I was the editor of an award-winning trade magazine called HazMat Management that covered such topics as pollution prevention and compliance with health & safety laws. We routinely published articles on masks, gloves, respirators and other forms of personal protective equipment (PPE). Now let me tell you a few things about that mask you’re wearing. And please note that what I’m about to share was also stated in the most recent edition of Del Bigtree’s program The Highwire when two OSHA mask experts spoke to the fact that the kinds of masks people are wearing were never (never!) designed to be worn for long periods and doing so is very harmful.
The blue typical mask depicted in the photograph contain Teflon and other chemicals. A Facebook friend reminds us: 1. Masks are “sterilized” with Ethylene Oxide — a known carcinogen. Many teachers in various school boards have been experiencing significant symptoms as a direct result of the effects of this chemical. 2. The masks contain (not sprayed with) PTFE which makes up Teflon along with other chemicals. I found and have posted the US patent to allow manufacturers to use PTFE as a filter in commercial masks… “breathing these for extended periods can lead to lung cancer.”

Don’t agree? Argue with the experts at OSHA, which is the main US agency, i.e., its Occupational Health & Safety Agency. These masks are meant to be worn only for short periods, like say if you’re sanding a table for an hour and don’t want to inhale sawdust. They don’t do anything whatsoever to stop the spread of any virus, and the emerging science of virology now understands that viruses aren’t even passed person to person. I know that sounds incredible, but it’s the case that the virus is in the air, you breath it in, there’s no way to prevent that short of living in an oxygen tent, and if you have a strong immune system you’ll be fine, and if you have a weak immune system you may have to deal with the effects of your immune system working to restore balance within your metabolism.


So let’s say you don’t wear the blue packaged masks, and instead wear a homemade cloth mask — the kind people wear over and over and hang on their rearview mirror and so on. Those masks are completely useless against a virus, and are also very dangerous. OSHA would never condone a person wearing a mask of this kind for anything more than the shortest time. Re-breathing your own viral debris is dangerous to health, and the oxygen deprivation children suffer wearing such masks all day will certainly cause brain damage. I’m not making this up. Again, you might say, well, Guy, you’re not a doctor. True, but I did edit that magazine for 25 years. That’s a long time and many articles on masks and PPE. I’ve attended numerous OH&S conferences and listened to experts discussing these matters.

You may hear people saying that surgeons and nurses wear masks like this all day. Um, no. No they don’t. They’re trained in the proper use of masks, which is to wear them in the OR, then dispose of the mask when they leave that room. Are you aware that operating rooms are actually supplied extra oxygen, to compensate for the reduction in oxygen flow from mask wearing? To my mind, it’s criminal (not hyperbole) to force children to wear masks all day. Setting aside the very real psychological effects, we’re going to have a generation of brain damaged children. Ever heard the expression, “Not enough oxygen at birth?” That’s a joke at the expense of a mentally challenged person, but that’s literally what we’re doing. And we’re told it’s to “keep us safe”! We’re told this by doctors who actually don’t know about PPE and laypeople who have no clue.

So, you can choose to believe me or not, but I was the editor for a quarter century of a magazine that had a strong occupational health and safety mandate, and I can tell you that the mask wearing currently mandated by governments and private businesses offers no health benefit whatsoever, in no way protects you or anyone else from any virus, and actually does you damage beyond wearing it for a few minutes.Got that? Good. Now please share this message and get the conversation going with parents, who must end this masking of children immediately. This is a very serious matter. And related to that, let me just state this doesn’t end for me when the lockdown ends or the masking ends. No, this ends for me when every politician and bureaucrat who inflicted this travesty, this crime against humanity, on the population of Canada (and other affected countries) is in the dock, and faces their misdeeds in a court of law.

And as for those of you who have put masks on young children, I will have a long memory on that score. A very long memory.

END NOTE: The CDC and WHO have acknowledged that asymptomatic people do not spread the virus, so the case for masks for such people is moot in the first place.

John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

Whether masks work is a matter of probability of becoming infected. No mask probability is much greater than Yes mask probability. Sloppy handling of mask fudges the probability. But masks also prevents you from transmitting to others when you are infected but have not yet developed symptoms,

CWGordon

sumo:
you gotta be kidding! what nonsense. even you gotta know you are fullovit.

srt101fan

As someone once said, "there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." You say the data says masks don't work, I say the data show that masks do work. Accurate data combined with realistic analyses of that data are elusive at this stage. The number of variables associated with comparisons of states and countries is overwhelming. I'm skeptical of much of what has been said about these comparisons.

So I choose to back away from data and statistical analyses and try to combine what I do know with a bit of common sense. A person infected with covid releases hazardous particulate matter into the air as a mixture of solid particles and liquid droplets. The size varies, some of the contaminants drop to the ground near the source as a result of gravity; some are airborne as aerosols. We don't know the size distribution of these contaminants when we enter a potential threat environment such as a grocery store, but I do know that I don't want to inhale them.

Face masks interpose a barrier between the contaminants and my respiratory tract. For sure they won't block all sizes of the contaminants, but I believe they reduce my risk of getting infected enough to conclude that wearing a mask for self-protection is a smart move. Add to that the fact that an infected person wearing a mask will release far fewer contaminants into the air and you got a no-brainer.

I agree with you that the proliferation of different kinds of masks and poor donning and doffing procedures are an issue. I believe the "experts" should have provided accurate and comprehensive guidance, including recommended mask types and continuing education in their use. They failed, and are failing miserably. Also, non-availability of N95 masks for the general public was/is a disgrace.

FrumCA

Please stop posting this picture of Krackin's sister and your girlfriend on this website.