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Oct 25, 2020 12:22:10   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Tex-s wrote:
Even granting your premise, how do you expect to CHARGE all the electric cars? Their production is already 60% more expensive than gas engine cars, their range severely limited vs gas, and the pollution of their battery production and disposal very much a concern.

There surely will be an evolution to new sources, but said evolution can't be forced into existence. It has to be affordable and less polluting or it's no solution. The original suggestion that our political adversaries benefit if America stops petroleum production is 100% accurate. For the next few decades, those countries would hold the lion's share of a product whose demand is only increasing and whose supply radically decreased. Even leftists who want to end markets in their own neighborhoods have to know that arrangement would exponentially increase the wealth and power of other oil-producing nations.
Even granting your premise, how do you expect to C... (show quote)


Any that’s what is being said - look up the word “TRANSITION “

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Oct 25, 2020 12:30:46   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Harry0 wrote:
You is bass ackwards.
By reducing our dependence on a dwindling energy supply, that increases our independence.
More and better electric cars will lessen air pollution. Fuel trucks on freeways. Less need to increase refinery profligation.
More and better insulated electric houses means less house fires, and those easier to put out.
T Rumps oil and coal rulings didn't make things better for us- it took liability away from polluters.
Take away the incentives for wind and solar, and the next energy crisis will cripple us.
You is bass ackwards. br By reducing our dependenc... (show quote)


What dwindling energy supply? This is 2020 and the U.S. is awash in energy production. You are basing your comments on the same bogus doom and gloom B.S. from the 1970s. Wake up. We are awash in energy production.

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Oct 25, 2020 12:46:09   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Harry0 wrote:
You is bass ackwards.
By reducing our dependence on a dwindling energy supply, that increases our independence.
More and better electric cars will lessen air pollution. Fuel trucks on freeways. Less need to increase refinery profligation.
More and better insulated electric houses means less house fires, and those easier to put out.
T Rumps oil and coal rulings didn't make things better for us- it took liability away from polluters.
Take away the incentives for wind and solar, and the next energy crisis will cripple us.
You is bass ackwards. br By reducing our dependenc... (show quote)


CA. Does not have enough electricity available even with fuel driven generators. How can we increase the load on the grid without fuel, our current wind and solar fields are plenty, thousands of homes have solar, but they are not efficient enough to meet the demand.

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Oct 25, 2020 13:02:10   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
This is all about the danger of Carbon based fuels and their influence on climate change, we could go total green energy tomorrow but we would have to build a dome across the entire country to benefit because the other 96% of the worlds population will still be pumping Carbon into the atmosphere. China, India, and the rest of The Far East stand no chance of meeting the Paris Accord Agreement, we cannot isolate ourselves from the harm they will be causing.

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Oct 25, 2020 14:07:08   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andystone/2020/10/25/ev-market-hits-its-tipping-point/

The future !!

And it’s not that climate I am thinking of. It is the lost opportunity of America to be a world leader in technology and the resulting jobs. Just because people - like ostriches - have their head stuck in the ground Instead of looking in the future fir opportunity,

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Oct 25, 2020 14:20:26   #
trainspotter Loc: Oregon
 
Harry0 wrote:
You are almost quoting what I had posted earlier. Except for the prices.
Less gasoline deliveries, gas stations, blending stations, etc in residential areas. Less jobs.
With lesser need for fossil fuels, existing refineries can handle the production.
BUT those planes, trains and trucks will still have access to fuel.
Here in sunny SoCal, solar takes the points off of the peak electrical uses.
The more sun- the more heat- the more AC- the more solar augments- the less spike in usages.
No more blackouts, brownouts, etc.
And with more solar, the schools will be able to afford year round classes w/o AC costs.
It IS a bit of a sea change, as I've said.
You are almost quoting what I had posted earlier. ... (show quote)


That WON'T do poop up here in Oregon...(cloudy 270 days a year)

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Oct 25, 2020 15:24:51   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
thom w wrote:
Why don't you just give in and by a new keyboard?


I will do that tomorrow, Tried to fix it myself. Can't. And I am too cheap to spend $700 or a new laptop, Would rather have new glass

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Oct 25, 2020 16:09:51   #
InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA
 
Harry0 wrote:
You is bass ackwards.
By reducing our dependence on a dwindling energy supply, that increases our independence.
More and better electric cars will lessen air pollution. Fuel trucks on freeways. Less need to increase refinery profligation.
More and better insulated electric houses means less house fires, and those easier to put out.
T Rumps oil and coal rulings didn't make things better for us- it took liability away from polluters.
Take away the incentives for wind and solar, and the next energy crisis will cripple us.
You is bass ackwards. br By reducing our dependenc... (show quote)


What are you going to charge those electric cars with, solar, LOL? Even clean-burning natural gas requires extraction methods that the democratic base is against. When the power companies use their smart meters to turn off power for rolling black-outs, they should just turn of the liberal, energy hating democrats. I think you'd get on board after a few of those.

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Oct 25, 2020 16:11:52   #
scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.
 
boberic wrote:
There is one and only one reason to vote for Trump or against Biden. Oil and Gas. It's simple. Trump wants to continue US production. Biden wants to end it. End of Story.. Russia, China, India and the Middle east are all praying that Biden will win and fulffill his pronise to end US fossil fuel production. It will strengthen their economies at the expense of ours.



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Oct 25, 2020 16:17:23   #
scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.
 
Harry0 wrote:
You is bass ackwards.
By reducing our dependence on a dwindling energy supply, that increases our independence.
More and better electric cars will lessen air pollution. Fuel trucks on freeways. Less need to increase refinery profligation.
More and better insulated electric houses means less house fires, and those easier to put out.
T Rumps oil and coal rulings didn't make things better for us- it took liability away from polluters.
Take away the incentives for wind and solar, and the next energy crisis will cripple us.
You is bass ackwards. br By reducing our dependenc... (show quote)


Your statements are flawed. Research what they do with the solar and wind items after they are used. They bury them. The huge blades of the fan are fiberglass composite and will never be recycled. Have you seen the battery makings? Huge holes in the ground while mining the materials to make the batteries which are also not recycled. It all sounds great until you see that end of it. The solar panels are also buried and cannot be recycled.

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Oct 25, 2020 16:22:21   #
scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.
 
boberic wrote:
Do you really think that china, russia, and the russian puppet countries paid all that money to the Biden famillyand expect no inffluence over a Biden presidency? For the first3years o Trumps term theUSwas stronger than in decades. Those countries want the USweaker. They want a Biden presidency and already paid for it



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Oct 25, 2020 16:53:43   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
boberic wrote:
I will do that tomorrow, Tried to fix it myself. Can't. And I am too cheap to spend $700 or a new laptop, Would rather have new glass


Just get a USB keyboard. Or maybe Bluetooth.

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Oct 25, 2020 16:59:14   #
btbg
 
trainspotter wrote:
That WON'T do poop up here in Oregon...(cloudy 270 days a year)


You live in the wrong part of Oregon. We have 300 plus days of sunshine a year.

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Oct 25, 2020 17:56:33   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
I've repeatedly hear that "We need to listen to the Scientist..!" I suspect that most of those here have heard that time and time again also.

So...let's take a moment and listen to the Scientist regarding two of the 'Laws of Physics'. Not just good ideas, these are LAWS. Here's two of my favorite.

The Law of Conservation of Energy is a physical law that states energy cannot be created or destroyed but may be changed from one form to another.

The Law of Conservation of Mass states that mass in an isolated system is neither created nor destroyed by chemical reactions or physical transformations. According to the law of conservation of mass, the mass of the products in a chemical reaction must equal the mass of the reactants.

Hence, there is no 'free lunch' anymore than there is 'free energy'. Even the 'greenest energy equipment' takes energy and mass to create them. The cost of the infrastructure to produce and to sustain electric cars in and of itself is massive. Nuclear energy, which is quite common in other nations and geothermal are about as close as current technology can get us to the generation of electricity on a reliable and substantial amount.

Again, even with something that may appear to be close to free energy, like solar takes other energy sources to get them from the drawing board to the rooftop including the need to make the tires for the trucks that transport them.

I'm not discouraging the march toward energy reduction or advancements in energy production in any way. I am stating that one should not be influenced by the propaganda that a New Green Deal will turn the nation, let alone the world, around in any measurable way for the scales will always remain balanced for there is nothing new created in the entire universe....it is only changed. All the mass and energy already exist.

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Oct 25, 2020 21:48:06   #
cwp3420
 
DennyT wrote:
No really. All those countries want trump To win. Anything that throws America into disarray they like.
They much prefer the DIVIDED States of America rather then the UNITED States of America. Just like trump has done for 4 years That’s why they hacked the voter roles and sent the fake proud boy threats to registered democrats.


And yet you want Biden, who is bought and paid for by America’s biggest threat, which is China. If Biden gets in, China will have unfettered access to our military secrets and everything else, and you’re too ignorant in your hatred for Trump to even see that. Get your head out.

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