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Jul 8, 2018 09:05:10   #
jtwind
 
I had slr's years ago and when I got back into "serious" photography I went with a sony a6000 mirrorless, have since moved to fullframes and am shooting with a sony a7iii now and it's amazing. The size and the live view viewfinders are what sold me.

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Jul 8, 2018 09:06:01   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
marcshapiro55 wrote:
Fascinating question that I quietly wrestled with for the past 15 years. (Incidentally, I thought that @peterff made some excellent points, and I will try not to repeat what has already been said.) In order to fully appreciate my perspective, I need to give you a little of my history with photography.

I have been serious about photography for the last 40 years, but I would not call myself a serious photographer. I am not a professional; just a committed amateur.

In the prehistoric days of film, I was a Canon guy. I owned two Canon SLRs in my first 20 years. They were magnificent machines producing crisp, beautiful images of everything I photographed. I experimented with film, slides, black-and-white and infrared. In the thousands of images I took on film, there was one recurring theme: by and large, my photographs were terrible! I was young and poor, and the worst part of it all was the cost of film and developing.

By the time digital emerged, I was out of school, working and had some disposable income. I was fascinated with the digital medium because of the instant feedback and unlimited “free“ images. However, the ultra-low resolution and lack of features suggested that digital was nothing more than a toy and would likely disappear. (Whew! Was I wrong about that!)

In 1998, when Sony crossed the resolution line into the 0.3 MP (300 K) territory, I jumped in. With that, my 500–600 images annually grew to 2,000-3,000. What was most significant about my move to digital, and what kept me going with 10 digital cameras over the next 20 years, was the consistent improvement in my images. Digital gave me the immediate feedback to learn about lighting, composition and (old school) special effects. But back to your question.

Now a veteran of numerous point-and-shoot cameras (Sony, Fuji, Canon and Nikon) I most recently committed to a Sony alpha a7II, which is full-frame and mirrorless. (I shunned the earliest DSLRs because of a technology quirk which caused a momentary blackout when the shutter was triggered.)

Why mirrorless in my case? The answer is simple: weight and convenience. I get all the benefits of a DSLR without having to commit to the weight and bulk of that equipment. As one of the posters below indicates: you will never see a Hell’s Angel on a minibike. However, a Hell’s Angel is identified by his motorcycle; I am not identified by my photographic equipment. (You also won’t see a Hell’s Angel taking his motorcycle into a restaurant, or carrying it around Disney World.)

My goal is to take great images, but the world’s immediate perception of me as a serious photographer has nothing to do with the quality of my images. Just look at all the terrible film images I took for 20 years!

My conclusion, therefore, is that you should serve your objectives. If you want great quality images, just about any camera today (even point-and-shoots) can give you that result. But the subject/composition/balance is up to you. If you want to be a Hell’s Angel photographer, grab yourself the biggest, heaviest and loudest equipment you can find.
Fascinating question that I quietly wrestled with ... (show quote)


Interesting post and perspective. Thanks for taking the time to express it, there are things to be learned here.

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Jul 8, 2018 09:27:35   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
bsprague wrote:
Besides me?

I had a couple Nikon SLRs that went away when film (mostly) died.

I did not embrace digital but shot family events and some travel snapshots with a Canon Elph and Nikon Coolpix.

When I decided to up the quality, I got an RX100 because the sensor was so much bigger.

After that, I got three different Panasonic M4/3 cameras.

I have no idea what I'm missing by not having a "real" DSLR!

What reasons are there that I should get one.
Besides me? br br I had a couple Nikon SLRs that ... (show quote)


That decision is yours. If you have shot film SLR's and were comfortable using them then the switch to DSLR'S would not be ba big step.
The only reason you should consider one is if that style of digital camera is right for you.
Mirrorless, DSLR's, 4/3's, point and shoots, cropped senor, full frame sensor, bridge, all have their strengths and weaknesses.
It really comes down to you, and which one will deliver what you are looking for.
Personally, I use a full frame sensor for landscape and cropped sensor for wildlife, cause this is right for me.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.

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Jul 8, 2018 09:35:10   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
billnikon wrote:
That decision is yours. If you have shot film SLR's and were comfortable using them then the switch to DSLR'S would not be ba big step.
The only reason you should consider one is if that style of digital camera is right for you.
Mirrorless, DSLR's, 4/3's, point and shoots, cropped senor, full frame sensor, bridge, all have their strengths and weaknesses.
It really comes down to you, and which one will deliver what you are looking for.
Personally, I use a full frame sensor for landscape and cropped sensor for wildlife, cause this is right for me.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
That decision is yours. If you have shot film SLR'... (show quote)

"Good luck and keep on shooting until the end."

Working on it. My DW just bought a new camera case for me. It's 25' long and runs on diesel. There is a place to keep beer cold too.

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Jul 8, 2018 09:46:43   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
Nothing! I’ve had both. I converted to 4/3s and fell in love with photography all over again. The bulk and the heft of my Nikon gear was such that I rarely used many of the fine lenses I had. Do I, kinda, lust after an 850? Sure! BUT then I remember what it was like hauling around the bigger camera and the heavy lenses and then I move on.

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Jul 8, 2018 09:47:23   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
bsprague wrote:
Besides me?

I had a couple Nikon SLRs that went away when film (mostly) died.

I did not embrace digital but shot family events and some travel snapshots with a Canon Elph and Nikon Coolpix.

When I decided to up the quality, I got an RX100 because the sensor was so much bigger.

After that, I got three different Panasonic M4/3 cameras.

I have no idea what I'm missing by not having a "real" DSLR!

What reasons are there that I should get one.
Besides me? br br I had a couple Nikon SLRs that ... (show quote)


I'm not the one to ask. I have not tried a MILC or 4/3 camera yet. I've own and/or have used everything from 4x5" Film View Cameras (still own two), 6x7cm, 6x6cm TLR, 35mm SLR (own four still), APS-C DSLR (own four), Digital P&S or Bridge Cameras (own three) other 35mm film cameras (own two), and used at work 8x10" View Camera! Once you've seen 8x10" Plus-x or Ektachrome you are spoiled. I'd love a FF DSLR and have many vintage lenses that would work fine. And I could only dream of a digital medium format camera. And no, I've never shot with a mini 110 format camera.

Film is not dead to many hobbyist photographers and younger photographers. Like LPs they are cool again with the young crowd. You may know your own answer. Is there anything you can't do now with your MILC or 4/3 that you could with your SLR? What sort of film photography did you do back in your film days. I do a lot of macro and focus stacks that I think works better with manual focus lenses and manual exposures via a real optical view finder.

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Jul 8, 2018 09:48:48   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
Besides me?

I had a couple Nikon SLRs that went away when film (mostly) died.

I did not embrace digital but shot family events and some travel snapshots with a Canon Elph and Nikon Coolpix.

When I decided to up the quality, I got an RX100 because the sensor was so much bigger.

After that, I got three different Panasonic M4/3 cameras.

I have no idea what I'm missing by not having a "real" DSLR!

What reasons are there that I should get one.
Besides me? br br I had a couple Nikon SLRs that ... (show quote)


I never owned one, either, but had all the 24/7 access I wanted to various Canon and Nikon dSLRs from 2003 until 2012, through my employers. So I can testify without a lot of bias, I think.

Generally, dSLRs are great for very high end sports and wildlife work, where high framing rates, full frame, and minimal latency (“click to clunk” time) are concerns.

Pros tend to use Canons and Nikons for the services they get from CPS and NPS (professional service organizations you subscribe to for a fee).

Pros also use dSLRs for the very long and very fast telephoto lenses that are not available on other cameras.

For years, the plentiful bounty of great dSLR lenses was almost a monopoly advantage of Canons and Nikons. That is much less a factor now, except at the very fast, very long ends of the range.

I considered dSLRs in 2012-13, but noticed what other manufacturers were doing with mirrorless. I bought Panasonic LUMIX Micro 4/3 gear for its balanced video and still capabilities, and I’m quite satisfied with it. If I ever need a dSLR, I’ll rent one, unless I need it for a whole new genre...

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Jul 8, 2018 09:55:23   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
burkphoto wrote:
I never owned one, either, but had all the 24/7 access I wanted to various Canon and Nikon dSLRs from 2003 until 2012, through my employers. So I can testify without a lot of bias, I think.

Generally, dSLRs are great for very high end sports and wildlife work, where high framing rates, full frame, and minimal latency (“click to clunk” time) are concerns.

Pros tend to use Canons and Nikons for the services they get from CPS and NPS (professional service organizations you subscribe to for a fee).

Pros also use dSLRs for the very long and very fast telephoto lenses that are not available on other cameras.

For years, the plentiful bounty of great dSLR lenses was almost a monopoly advantage of Canons and Nikons. That is much less a factor now, except at the very fast, very long ends of the range.

I considered dSLRs in 2012-13, but noticed what other manufacturers were doing with mirrorless. I bought Panasonic LUMIX Micro 4/3 gear for its balanced video and still capabilities, and I’m quite satisfied with it. If I ever need a dSLR, I’ll rent one, unless I need it for a whole new genre...
I never owned one, either, but had all the 24/7 ac... (show quote)

"I bought Panasonic LUMIX Micro 4/3 gear for its balanced video and still capabilities"

Me too.

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Jul 8, 2018 10:33:22   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
There is no reason you should go with a DSLR if your camera will do everything you want it to. I sure would not want to be limited by such a camera. - Dave

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Jul 8, 2018 10:34:55   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
"I bought Panasonic LUMIX Micro 4/3 gear for its balanced video and still capabilities"

Me too.


Truth be told, there were about 40 reasons I bought my GH4. The video & stills capability was just the broadest.

I think it’s important for each photographer to balance needs and wants with gear. There is no one best solution. There is only the best solution for what *you* intend to do.

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Jul 8, 2018 11:04:10   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
You already know that answer.
Especially if you previously owned a SLR.

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Jul 8, 2018 11:18:10   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
No DSLRs in my home (do have several film SLR's that are gathering dust); three "1 inch" sensor enthusiast cameras and one full frame mirrorless camera seem to cover all bases.

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Jul 8, 2018 11:45:44   #
kensil
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Bill, you should know better. It’s not possible to be a serious photographer and not shoot with a dslr !!
4:3’s are like minibikes compared to real motorcycles! Ever seen a Hells Angle on a minibike? Nor will you EVER!!! LoL
Photography is about macho factor. Even if your arms are wimpy, they just look bigger holding a pro-DSLR!
When I’m carrying my 1Dx with 200mm f1.8 attached, every other person asks me if I’m a pro!!! LoL
When carrying a 4:3 only another 4:3 guy will say anything.
I’ve seen guys carrying 4:3 get stepped on by a guy hurrying over to check out my rig.
Be a real MAN, get a DSLR!!!! Bill, are you getting my drift?!?!?!
SS
Bill, you should know better. It’s not possible to... (show quote)



Bill, don’t listen to the egos of others. Check out the Steve Jobs quote about your ‘time being limited’
and go with it...

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Jul 8, 2018 11:55:10   #
PaulBrit Loc: Merlin, Southern Oregon
 
cameraf4 wrote:
For me it is mostly the ability to create striking images. Changing focal lengths for different looks. Using Picture Controls to get different looks like I did in the film days. I don't want to just "record" what I saw. From the beginning, I have wanted to capture what I felt about what I saw. DSLRs do that for me.


I am relatively new to owning and using a DSLR but camera’s reply encapsulates exactly what experience!

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Jul 8, 2018 11:56:27   #
Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC
 
billnikon wrote:
That decision is yours. If you have shot film SLR's and were comfortable using them then the switch to DSLR'S would not be ba big step.
The only reason you should consider one is if that style of digital camera is right for you.
Mirrorless, DSLR's, 4/3's, point and shoots, cropped senor, full frame sensor, bridge, all have their strengths and weaknesses.
It really comes down to you, and which one will deliver what you are looking for.
Personally, I use a full frame sensor for landscape and cropped sensor for wildlife, cause this is right for me.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
That decision is yours. If you have shot film SLR'... (show quote)

I agree, and would only add that it seems odd to imply a correlation between a photographer's attitude and involvement with photography and his choice of viewfinder, like asking whether anyone who is serious about cycling has never owned a mountain bike.

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