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Apr 5, 2018 11:50:35   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
ole sarg wrote:
Trump like Clinton will be found guilty of obstructing justice. Impeachment is an act of Congress not the courts. Additionally crimes in the case of impeachment are not in the criminal code. The Constitution defines impeachment at the federal level and limits impeachment to "The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States" who may be impeached and removed only for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors". The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct peculiar to officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, and refusal to obey a lawful order.

If the democrats take over the house there will probably be impeachment and the senate will not convict. Nevertheless, Trump will be castrated and his last 18 months in office will be as ineffectual as his previous 30 months.
Trump like Clinton will be found guilty of obstruc... (show quote)


He's in his seventies, obese, orange, has a vagina throat, almost for sure has high blood pressure. Except for cosmetics when he drops his drawers, what difference will castration make?

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Apr 5, 2018 12:03:04   #
FrumCA
 
thom w wrote:
Why is it OK with you for the President of the United States to mischaracterize things?

It's not OK nor did I say it was. Stop putting words in my mouth to suit your agenda. I was simply pointing out to foathog that it was not a 'lie' as he stated.

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Apr 5, 2018 12:06:41   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
WNYShooter wrote:
Sounds like veiled death threats on the POTUS to me; posting forwarded to the Secret Service.


LOL, little paranoid,are we?

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Apr 5, 2018 12:45:26   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
Twardlow wrote:
Certainly the Trump campaign colluded, no question about that. It may turn out that Trump didn’t participate, though I doubt it very much.

Trump set the rules, and hired the same guys being chased out of the cabinet now. He sought out Session, an unqualified mouse without the character of Bambi or the legal backing of Gomer Pyle, and on and on.

Still, it may be he didn’t collude—I’ll trust Mueller to find out if he can—though I’m satisfied in my own mind that he peed on the whores in Russia and Putin has the tape, and also that there is money laundering all over his background. The video we will never get to witness (thanks goodness!) but I don’t think he can hide the money laundering and corruption from Mueller.

I don’t think he will be shot, though he may deserve it. If they get him cold, he’ll sign off as guilty to a single charge and resign, just like Agnew and Nixon.

He is a profound threat to this nation, and we won’t be the same nation at the end of his term, if he survives that long.
Certainly the Trump campaign colluded, no question... (show quote)


Why does the press and members on UHH keep pushing this collusion narrative? There is not a single statute outlawing collaboration with a foreign government in a U.S. presidential election, or any election, for that matter. There's a possibility that one or both parties committed crimes, but collusion isn't one of them. If it's not against the law, pursuing it is an act of futility.

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Apr 5, 2018 13:10:47   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
ole sarg wrote:
WNY you don't even know what Mueller was to investigate! You are a fool!

The deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, appointed former F.B.I. Director Robert S. Mueller III as the special counsel to oversee the investigation into Russian tampering in the 2016 presidential election. ..


https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

(b) The Special Counsel is authorized to conduct the investigation confirmed by then-FBI
Director James 8. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017, including:
(i)
any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump; and
(ii)
any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation; and
(iii) any other matters within the scope of 28 C.F.R. § 600.4(a).

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Apr 5, 2018 13:12:59   #
WNYShooter Loc: WNY
 
SteveS wrote:
Why does the press and members on UHH keep pushing this collusion narrative? There is not a single statute outlawing collaboration with a foreign government in a U.S. presidential election, or any election, for that matter. There's a possibility that one or both parties committed crimes, but collusion isn't one of them. If it's not against the law, pursuing it is an act of futility.



Because they are working directly from this playbook:

https://www.scribd.com/document/337535680/Full-David-Brock-Confidential-Memo-On-Fighting-Trump#from_embed

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Apr 5, 2018 13:42:49   #
travelwp Loc: New Jersey
 
Twardlow wrote:
A subject can turn into a target in the blink of an eye. But more alarming for Trump is the declaration that Mueller is writing a report which will be published somehow, and the report will be fuel for impeachment..


I understand your disappointment that your pal Crooked Hillary lost, but your dreams of impeachment are why people think liberal thinking is a mental illness.

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Apr 5, 2018 13:48:32   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
SteveS wrote:
Why does the press and members on UHH keep pushing this collusion narrative? There is not a single statute outlawing collaboration with a foreign government in a U.S. presidential election, or any election, for that matter. There's a possibility that one or both parties committed crimes, but collusion isn't one of them. If it's not against the law, pursuing it is an act of futility.


"collusion" is not a legal term. It is shorthand for violations of this statute:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20

For example (one of many), when Junior met with the Russians, he was seeking something of value from a foreign government., i.e., dirt on Hillary.

Whether or not he received anything of value is something for Mueller to determine. The fact that he sought Russian help speaks to the overall corruption of many in the Trump administration: Too amoral to know that it is wrong and too stupid to know that it is illegal.

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Apr 5, 2018 15:22:56   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
Did you read what I wrote? He claims we pay 80% when actually we pay just 25%. and that's the fact.(what fact are you talking about?) that isn't a lie? Oh that's right..."alternate facts" And now you are calling it a "mischaracterization" You guys are full of euphemisms are you going to tell me he was joking? apparently when they get caught they say "I was just joking"




FrumCA wrote:
US funding of NATO is only a lie because you want it to be. Why don't you check your facts (I know that's difficult) and just admit that Trump mischaracterized the amount and leave it at that?

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Apr 5, 2018 15:42:31   #
FrumCA
 
foathog wrote:
Did you read what I wrote? He claims we pay 80% when actually we pay just 25%. and that's the fact.(what fact are you talking about?) that isn't a lie? Oh that's right..."alternate facts" And now you are calling it a "mischaracterization" You guys are full of euphemisms are you going to tell me he was joking? apparently when they get caught they say "I was just joking"

Evidently you didn't read what I wrote. You called his claim that we pay 80% a lie. I corrected you to point out that his claim was a mischaracterization of what he said. And he never said 80% so YOU are lying. The figure Trump stated was for our share of indirect spending. The US actually pays about 22% (not 25%) of the direct costs. Check it out. I'm not making this out to be more than it is so wake up and pay attention.

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Apr 5, 2018 15:47:40   #
Vladimir200 Loc: Beaumont, Ca.
 
It appears that every time Muller and his team turn over a rock, there is a Russian there. Let him do his job. If Trump is innocent, he has nothing to fear. Muller's team already has guilty pleas and indictments.

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Apr 5, 2018 16:47:31   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
Twardlow wrote:
A subject can turn into a target in the blink of an eye. But more alarming for Trump is the declaration that Mueller is writing a report which will be published somehow, and the report will be fuel for impeachment.

Actually I think impeachment will probably never happen; when the evidence Mueller finds out about the crimes involved, it will precede and maybe replace impeachment.

I know you know of no evidence—and it’s good you don’t. Mueller is the investigator, and a good investigator never publishes his findings to the public but to the courts.

Clearly, there has been collusion, and there is a mountain of evidence of it.

How about nineteen secret meetings with Russian Agents?

How about an Attorney General who lied in public, protecting such collusion and his role in it—on TV and to congress when he was under oath?

How about the June meeting with Don, jr when the Russian Agents suggested ‘we’ll give you some dirt on Hillary, then we’ll talk sanctions, ok?’ And Don said—and admitted he said—“I Love It!”

There’s more, but you get the idea.
A subject can turn into a target in the blink of a... (show quote)


Collusion doesn't mean anything and you know it. Obama spent his terms colluding with the enemies of this country and the traitors in FISA and the FBI.

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Apr 5, 2018 16:48:44   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
Vladimir200 wrote:
It appears that every time Muller and his team turn over a rock, there is a Russian there. Let him do his job. If Trump is innocent, he has nothing to fear. Muller's team already has guilty pleas and indictments.


It's Hillary that should be taken down a few more notches and those traitors in the FBI.

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Apr 5, 2018 16:57:33   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
ole sarg wrote:
Trump like Clinton will be found guilty of obstructing justice. Impeachment is an act of Congress not the courts. Additionally crimes in the case of impeachment are not in the criminal code. The Constitution defines impeachment at the federal level and limits impeachment to "The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States" who may be impeached and removed only for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors". The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct peculiar to officials, such as perjury of oath, abuse of authority, bribery, intimidation, misuse of assets, failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, and refusal to obey a lawful order.

If the democrats take over the house there will probably be impeachment and the senate will not convict. Nevertheless, Trump will be castrated and his last 18 months in office will be as ineffectual as his previous 30 months.
Trump like Clinton will be found guilty of obstruc... (show quote)


Any bet he will be a two-term president? I will give odds yes.

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Apr 5, 2018 17:16:19   #
cwp3420
 
Twardlow wrote:
A subject can turn into a target in the blink of an eye. But more alarming for Trump is the declaration that Mueller is writing a report which will be published somehow, and the report will be fuel for impeachment.

Actually I think impeachment will probably never happen; when the evidence Mueller finds out about the crimes involved, it will precede and maybe replace impeachment.

I know you know of no evidence—and it’s good you don’t. Mueller is the investigator, and a good investigator never publishes his findings to the public but to the courts.

Clearly, there has been collusion, and there is a mountain of evidence of it.

How about nineteen secret meetings with Russian Agents?

How about an Attorney General who lied in public, protecting such collusion and his role in it—on TV and to congress when he was under oath?

How about the June meeting with Don, jr when the Russian Agents suggested ‘we’ll give you some dirt on Hillary, then we’ll talk sanctions, ok?’ And Don said—and admitted he said—“I Love It!”

There’s more, but you get the idea.
A subject can turn into a target in the blink of a... (show quote)


Swing, baby, swing!,

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