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Mar 20, 2018 21:28:08   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Brent Rowlett wrote:
Not to berate cell phone pics but I have never seen any planned photos coming out of that device-just impulsive spur of the moment captures (snap shots).

Really learning photography is knowing how to stage and shape light, blur the background, use the sun for a backlight and overpower the sun with light or high speed sync, etc. I only use a cell phone to capture items I intend to paint in which case the image can be less than stellar. I don’t care how many pixels the camera has, the size of the censor determines the quality of the print. The difference between a Drone camera with a cell phone censor and the newer ones with the full frame DSLR censors is just amazing.
Not to berate cell phone pics but I have never see... (show quote)

There is more to photography than trying to be the next Ansell Adams - 'street' photography, nature, sports .... all kinds of photography can involve an impulsive snap decision to take a picture and don't involve modifying light or the background. For 'street' photography in particular, a cell phone might be an excellent choice, because it wouldn't attract attention.

I describe much of my photography as 'street like', because people are an integral part of the image, and it is essential that they not react to the presence of my camera.

added: photographs taken by cell phone would fit into the sections we already have, so images from them could be put into Gallery, Traditional Street & Architecture, etc

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Mar 20, 2018 22:35:47   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
Chas 69 wrote:
I think maybe suggesting its own category was the wrong way to put it..
But i guess i kind of impulsively did it because the majority of the pictures i view in galleries are takin with high dollar equip..


Interestingly enough, there are some major photographic competitions out there that have elected to include cell phone photos as a separate category, eligible for the same awards and prize monies as in all other categories. One example is the competition at the Exhibition of Photography at the San Diego County Fair. This is billed as an international competition, and it attracts thousands of entries each year. They have included a cell phone category for a number of years now.

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Mar 21, 2018 06:07:23   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Brent Rowlett wrote:
Not to berate cell phone pics but I have never seen any planned photos coming out of that device-just impulsive spur of the moment captures (snap shots).

Really learning photography is knowing how to stage and shape light, blur the background, use the sun for a backlight and overpower the sun with light or high speed sync, etc. I only use a cell phone to capture items I intend to paint in which case the image can be less than stellar. I don’t care how many pixels the camera has, the size of the censor determines the quality of the print. The difference between a Drone camera with a cell phone censor and the newer ones with the full frame DSLR censors is just amazing.
Not to berate cell phone pics but I have never see... (show quote)


Look further. The cell phone is not just for snapshots.

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Mar 21, 2018 06:20:14   #
cedymock Loc: Irmo, South Carolina
 
Longshadow wrote:
It's still a camera.
If you made a category for cell phones, would you not have to make categories for film cameras, view cameras, large format cameras, or point-n-shoots?


It's not a camera it's a scanner; by definition

a : camera
b : a device that consists of a lightproof chamber with an aperture fitted with a lens and a shutter through which the image of an object is projected onto a surface for recording (as on film) or for translation into electrical impulses (as for television broadcast)

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Mar 21, 2018 06:21:00   #
johneccles Loc: Leyland UK
 
Chas 69 wrote:
With todays technology and the convenience and versatility of a smart phone in your pocket,
Im surprised i dont see any topics or catagories
containing this subject?
i have seen some awesome photos online useing cell phones..


A few months ago I took three identical photographs of a windmill, one taken with an Olympus EM10, one with my Panasonic TZ70 and the other with my LG G4 smartphone.
I posted all three on UHH asking if members could tell which camera took which photograph, not one single person guessed it correctly.

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Mar 21, 2018 06:55:17   #
Dannj
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
I have posted a few cell phone pics on this site, one just yesterday but cellphones are limiting in that they can't change lenses and most can't zoom. Yes, there are aux lenses available for them but the quality sucks. The biggest issue (IMHO) is their tiny sensor. Images are OK when viewed online, but they don't print large very well...

I agree about the poor enlargements. I've seen more than a few "photo books" of friends' vacations, family events, etc. comprised of phone pics and they are really poor quality.

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Mar 21, 2018 06:59:06   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Brent Rowlett wrote:
Not to berate cell phone pics but I have never seen any planned photos coming out of that device-just impulsive spur of the moment captures (snap shots).

Really learning photography is knowing how to stage and shape light, blur the background, use the sun for a backlight and overpower the sun with light or high speed sync, etc. I only use a cell phone to capture items I intend to paint in which case the image can be less than stellar. I don’t care how many pixels the camera has, the size of the censor determines the quality of the print. The difference between a Drone camera with a cell phone censor and the newer ones with the full frame DSLR censors is just amazing.
Not to berate cell phone pics but I have never see... (show quote)


How many people who own DSLR's actually do as you state in your 1st sentence, 2nd paragraph?? I think that for what the majority of people are interested in, cell phones fit the bill. It provides instant gratification. It's lightweight and portable. Also takes pretty good pictures. At my daughter's wedding last year there were 150 people. There were 3 DSLR's. They belonged to the wedding photographer and her 2 assistants. There were a lot of pictures taken with cell phones. Some of those pictures captured the moment better than the pros. The cell phone allowed for mobility and spontaneity.

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Mar 21, 2018 07:03:05   #
Brent Rowlett Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
johneccles wrote:
A few months ago I took three identical photographs of a windmill, one taken with an Olympus EM10, one with my Panasonic TZ70 and the other with my LG G4 smartphone.
I posted all three on UHH asking if members could tell which camera took which photograph, not one single person guessed it correctly.


For a snapshot 5x7 it will be hard to tell depending upon the subject and setting. Try enlarging the photo and you will remove all doubt.

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Mar 21, 2018 07:19:07   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
I have posted a few cell phone pics on this site, one just yesterday but cellphones are limiting in that they can't change lenses and most can't zoom. Yes, there are aux lenses available for them but the quality sucks. The biggest issue (IMHO) is their tiny sensor. Images are OK when viewed online, but they don't print large very well...


As an experiment, I enlarged my aviator----an image taken with an Apple 7+ in the Apple Store----to 20" by 30". The resolution was remarkable. Cell phone images certainly DO print large very WELL.
I was so impressed with the image that at the time I contributed to a post about the enlargement.
Cell phones are real and good; and do print large.

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Mar 21, 2018 07:21:55   #
Brent Rowlett Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
traderjohn wrote:
How many people who own DSLR's actually do as you state in your 1st sentence, 2nd paragraph?? I think that for what the majority of people are interested in, cell phones fit the bill. It provides instant gratification. It's lightweight and portable. Also takes pretty good pictures. At my daughter's wedding last year there were 150 people. There were 3 DSLR's. They belonged to the wedding photographer and her 2 assistants. There were a lot of pictures taken with cell phones. Some of those pictures captured the moment better than the pros. The cell phone allowed for mobility and spontaneity.
How many people who own DSLR's actually do as you ... (show quote)


That is the difference between a serious pro photographer and all the rookies and hobbyists out there. And for them a cell phone is certainly good enough — they never sell any photographs anyway.

When working on settings and assignments we use the Lumos app to tell us where the sun will be at any time for any address in the world. From there we plan our shots for the time of day.

I guess it is the difference with a wedding photographer scouting out the location for the time of the wedding, planning the photographs etc. versus the rookie that shows up with a cell phone and hopes to get lucky with volume. Both approaches may work, but I will put my money on the pro.

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Mar 21, 2018 07:35:16   #
cedymock Loc: Irmo, South Carolina
 
Brent Rowlett wrote:
That is the difference between a serious pro photographer and all the rookies and hobbyists out there. And for them a cell phone is certainly good enough — they never sell any photographs anyway.

When working on settings and assignments we use the Lumos app to tell us where the sun will be at any time for any address in the world. From there we plan our shots for the time of day.

I guess it is the difference with a wedding photographer scouting out the location for the time of the wedding, planning the photographs etc. versus the rookie that shows up with a cell phone and hopes to get lucky with volume. Both approaches may work, but I will put my money on the pro.
That is the difference between a serious pro photo... (show quote)


Maybe you shouldn't lump rookies and hobbyists with people who only use a phone to scan images. I have seen some great photos not taken by professional photographs!

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Mar 21, 2018 07:56:49   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Brent Rowlett wrote:
That is the difference between a serious pro photographer and all the rookies and hobbyists out there. And for them a cell phone is certainly good enough — they never sell any photographs anyway.

When working on settings and assignments we use the Lumos app to tell us where the sun will be at any time for any address in the world. From there we plan our shots for the time of day.

I guess it is the difference with a wedding photographer scouting out the location for the time of the wedding, planning the photographs etc. versus the rookie that shows up with a cell phone and hopes to get lucky with volume. Both approaches may work, but I will put my money on the pro.
That is the difference between a serious pro photo... (show quote)


How many "serious pro photographers" are there that make a living vs those who own DSLR's??? Not many. Cell phones take good pictures and those that use them are not so condescending.

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Mar 21, 2018 08:11:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
cedymock wrote:
It's not a camera it's a scanner; by definition

a : camera
b : a device that consists of a lightproof chamber with an aperture fitted with a lens and a shutter through which the image of an object is projected onto a surface for recording (as on film) or for translation into electrical impulses (as for television broadcast)


Details... Technology changes, so does terminology.
So a pin hole camera is not a camera either?

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Mar 21, 2018 08:18:34   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Chas 69 wrote:
With todays technology and the convenience and versatility of a smart phone in your pocket,
Im surprised i dont see any topics or catagories
containing this subject?
i have seen some awesome photos online useing cell phones..


We've had quite a few phone pictures - and bragging - posted here. "Real photographers" use real cameras.

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Mar 21, 2018 08:19:40   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
Brent Rowlett wrote:
There is no skill or knowledge required to press a button. Without filters cell phones are just point and shoot.


But then one is not using the phone camera to its full extent. As with most digital cameras, the phone camera is "just point and shoot" if one chooses to use it as such. Control over composition, exposure, focus selection... all of this is possible with modern phone cameras. There are apps available for the phone which allow the user additional control over aperture and shutter speed. And the captured images can be brought into an editor for further work, just like any other digital image.

Although the cell phone is not my first choice for image capture, I will not hesitate to use it if it happens to be the only camera on me at that moment.

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