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Mar 20, 2018 06:02:38   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
BHC wrote:
P does not stand for PROGRAM MODE; according to Ben Stonegood, it means PROFESSIONAL MODE!


Don't know who he is. But, on Canon cameras it most definitely stands for Program mode

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Mar 20, 2018 06:26:24   #
mcarchia Loc: Windham, NH
 
I am an amateur photographer and have been for over 10 years. I strive to learn manual modes but I find that I don't always know how the camera should be set up. I have taken thousands if not tens of thousands of photos for all the trips I've been on and edited these photos and then made photo albums. I must admit that the auto mode has done me well. Not only am I happy with the results but every time I show my photos and albums to others I get many compliments. I know that I am not an expert and the professional can see so many more discrepancies than I can see, but to the 98% of the people out there who are not experts, who just enjoy seeing a nice picture, the auto mode really works for me. I still experiment with manual modes, especially for depth of field issues, but when I travel or see something I want to photograph I go back to the trusted auto mode and rely upon Lightroom or Photoshop to help get the final results.
Just my opinion but there are many non professionals out there who I am sure get confused as I do with auto vs manual modes. If you take photos for a living or use your camera every day then getting total control of your camera is certainly the way to go, but if you put your camera down for periods of time to enjoy other things in life, then enjoying auto mode when you pick it up to take those pictures really seems to work.
Just my opinion, but 10 years of taking photos has some worth.
Mike

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Mar 20, 2018 06:30:04   #
loosecanon Loc: Central Texas
 
Strictly as an experiment, I recently decided for a short vacation to leave my camera set on auto the entire time. Total number of keepers from that trip? Zero. Try it sometime.

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Mar 20, 2018 06:44:19   #
pbferst
 
This is a debate that will never end. Experienced photographers who have spent the necessary time to understand their camera have no problem in predicting their settings and can find them without moving his/her eyes from the viewfinder. To get to that point think of a pianist. They spend years learning and practicing. Do they look at the keys when they play? No, they know exactly where they are. The issue as pointed out by a number of folk in this forum is people expect that everything should be ticky boo in auto. I photograph performing arts.. Dance.. Theatre. Now try shooting that in auto. Flash is a no no as it can distract the performer (we only shoot at dress rehearsals), I need hi speed to freeze action, varying the aparture depending on the DF I need, rapid change to the point of focus I want oh did I mention that the lights are constantly changing. I'm also a photo journalist so great variety from street shots, meetings...etc. As you can see I have a very varied portfolio. I have learned when a particular function or setting is appropriate for my needs. It is very rare I can rely on auto. Even my smartphone has some basic compensation since it is smart enough that its designer must have realised its auto doesn't always give you a decent shot. So if you want to be an accomplished photographer be like the good worker who has a tool box and he knows which one is appropriate for the job. It's like one of the sayings we had in the Navy, what you don't know won't hurt you because it will probably kill you. People who go on and on asking why they cannot just use only auto is because I believe it to be a lack of knowledge. If they have the patience to preserve and learn to be able to manipulate their equipment rapidly they will come to appreciate how wonderful our modern cameras are and will enrich their experiences and artistic accomplishments. I use to teach and I get emotional when after a number of years a number of my students exhibit and sell their work. I recall when they could barely load the batteries in. If you were to ask them if they use auto very much their answer us why would I, I don't often get as good a shot as I do in manual. Ironic since a number of folks have answered the question the other way round. Sorry about this long post but I would say that you should do what ever works for you and have fun not matter what I or others say. Cheers peter

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Mar 20, 2018 06:49:45   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
mcarchia wrote:
I am an amateur photographer and have been for over 10 years. I strive to learn manual modes but I find that I don't always know how the camera should be set up. I have taken thousands if not tens of thousands of photos for all the trips I've been on and edited these photos and then made photo albums. I must admit that the auto mode has done me well. Not only am I happy with the results but every time I show my photos and albums to others I get many compliments. I know that I am not an expert and the professional can see so many more discrepancies than I can see, but to the 98% of the people out there who are not experts, who just enjoy seeing a nice picture, the auto mode really works for me. I still experiment with manual modes, especially for depth of field issues, but when I travel or see something I want to photograph I go back to the trusted auto mode and rely upon Lightroom or Photoshop to help get the final results.
Just my opinion but there are many non professionals out there who I am sure get confused as I do with auto vs manual modes. If you take photos for a living or use your camera every day then getting total control of your camera is certainly the way to go, but if you put your camera down for periods of time to enjoy other things in life, then enjoying auto mode when you pick it up to take those pictures really seems to work.
Just my opinion, but 10 years of taking photos has some worth.
Mike
I am an amateur photographer and have been for ove... (show quote)

What you are saying is of course absolutely valid. However, it also describes the more casual photographer for whom photography is not an avocation or profession. For those who strive to improve their photography beyond that, learning to wean oneself off of auto mode is an important step. In the end, your personal satisfaction with what you're doing is all that really matters.

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Mar 20, 2018 06:50:42   #
Jaackil Loc: Massachusetts
 
chippy wrote:
We pay mega bucks for the latest camera with more computing power than a Moon-Lander and Auto Mode is disdained ?

Do you have an " Auto " car, or do you use a manual gearbox?................ Which drives the car most effectively ?

Are you in danger of missing the shot while fiddling with the settings ?

Washing machines, computer controlled CNC,...... Micro surgery the list is endless where the computer wins out.

Perhaps in years to come you will be able to program your drone to go to your favourite locations, take the photos

and return them to you to process in PhotoShop,

Coming from a history of manually cocked shutters, flash-bulbs and slow film speeds,graduating eventually to a Zenith SLR

(now that WAS manual) First SLR with TTL metering I am hugely impressed by the programming power and facilities offered

by a modern camera.
We pay mega bucks for the latest camera with more ... (show quote)



Actually your analogies have a few holes in them. For the masses auto transmissions are more efficient but for proffesional drivers they still use manual gear boxes because they have more control when they need it. With all of our advances in technology the manual gear box is more precise From formula 1 to NASCAR Dirt track to Indy Cars the drivers all still use manual shifting. Tractor Trailors are all still manual. Comercial airliners have the ability to fly in auto mode but a pilot must still take full control taking off and landing.
A self driving car ran over and killed a pedestrian the other day in Arizona Even the moon landings were accomplished with an astronaut manually taking the controls. In micro surgery a surgeon still has full control over what ever device he is using he still has to decide the where when and how. All auto modes rely on averages based on certain situations while there are never any truly average situations. While there is nothing wrong with auto modes however You can not say auto modes are more effective in all situations especially in creative situations.
For the average person who has not studied to understand light, composition appeture and shutter speed auto works fine. But you still can not say that auto mode is superior to that of a skilled photographer.

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Mar 20, 2018 06:53:49   #
Samir Kumar Das
 
The Institute where I joined in to learn about "Photography" my teacher after 3rd of basic class told the whole group that if you want to learn and enjoy photography then learn the camera and go for manual modes. When you see your own pictures you can always learn to be more perfect and improve. You will own self appreciate first then your friends or to whoso ever watches. That's gives more satisfaction than having to use a robot to do the things you like.

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Mar 20, 2018 07:18:16   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
BHC wrote:
P does not stand for PROGRAM MODE; according to Ben Stonegood, it means PROFESSIONAL MODE!


I trust Ben Stonegood without question.

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Mar 20, 2018 07:26:23   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I trust Ben Stonegood without question.

I assume that means that you know who I mean?!

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Mar 20, 2018 07:28:59   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
BHC wrote:
I assume that means that you know who I mean?!


Yes.

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Mar 20, 2018 07:29:18   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I trust Ben Stonegood without question.

Except that definition is absolutely incorrect for Canon cameras. You can call it anything you want, but Canon refers to it as program mode.

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Mar 20, 2018 07:33:18   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Auto mode removed you to a position slightly above being a tripod. The only difference is the tripod can't trip the shutter.
--Bob
chippy wrote:
We pay mega bucks for the latest camera with more computing power than a Moon-Lander and Auto Mode is disdained ?

Do you have an " Auto " car, or do you use a manual gearbox?................ Which drives the car most effectively ?

Are you in danger of missing the shot while fiddling with the settings ?

Washing machines, computer controlled CNC,...... Micro surgery the list is endless where the computer wins out.

Perhaps in years to come you will be able to program your drone to go to your favourite locations, take the photos

and return them to you to process in PhotoShop,

Coming from a history of manually cocked shutters, flash-bulbs and slow film speeds,graduating eventually to a Zenith SLR

(now that WAS manual) First SLR with TTL metering I am hugely impressed by the programming power and facilities offered

by a modern camera.
We pay mega bucks for the latest camera with more ... (show quote)

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Mar 20, 2018 07:34:55   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
nikon_jon wrote:
I use nearly all the shooting functions on my cameras including auto, but cherish the ability to make choices as to where my camera will 'concentrate' its focusing area and how I may wish to over ride the auto feature. Regarding your comments on the 'auto everything' scenario; how bout a camera that automatically puts itself in the bag with automatic choice of the lenses you will need for the day. It automatically mounts itself on a tripod if needed. It automatically sets itself for every conceivable type of photo you would like to take. ( I guess it would have to automatically read your mind for that one) When you get home you load the pics on your computer and your photo editor automatically tweaks each pic and makes it look like someone actually knew what he was doing when he shot the pic.

Now you are all set to join the ranks of those who say, "Why, last week I couldn't even spell fotogafer, now I are one!"

No thank you for me. I take pride in learning and knowing HOW to do all that the automatic feature does. A problem I see in modern photography is the need or desire to be able to pick up a camera that does it all for you. It sells cameras, of course, but does nothing for the person holding the camera. Don't let the automatic stuff on a camera take away from the satisfaction of knowing how to operate the features on a camera and getting predictable results every time. Don't get me wrong, I am not ragging on the auto setting of a camera. I use it plenty, there is just more to it than that, and I know what you are saying about auto feature getting hammered by all the so called 'experts'.

I am not saying that the new computerized cameras are bad.I have them and use them, but they are just an enhanced tool and cannot replace your ability to know how to use them. I too remember the days of having to cock the shutter, manually focus and the whole scenario of using those old manual cameras, but I wouldn't trade that for a whole trainload of modern automatic features, even though I use those features. The time and experience of using those old cameras are valuable. And, by the way, if you learn to drive a stick shift car RIGHT it is just as efficient and effective as an automatic and sometimes much better. If you are stuck in the snow, an automatic will start you out at the lowest gear ratio which will spin your wheels too fast and just dig you in deeper. You have no control over what that automatic does. On the other hand, with a stick shift, you can put it in second gear instead of first and often that will walk you right out of the stuck spot.
I use nearly all the shooting functions on my came... (show quote)


Whats more important?? Getting the picture or the "mode"?? It seems if you use auto, you are deemed less than. You are part of the proletarian rabble. By the by thanks for the driving lesson.

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Mar 20, 2018 07:41:47   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
mwsilvers wrote:
Except that definition is absolutely incorrect for Canon cameras. You can call it anything you want, but Canon refers to it as program mode.


I was not serious. A Rose is a Rose by any other name.
Rock, Stone; or program, or professional.

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Mar 20, 2018 07:44:30   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
There's a reason that the new super cars like the Audi R8 and others doesn't offer a manual shift, its simply not as fast or efficient as the new dual clutch automatic technology. However the new 'Super Camera's' still offer the option(s) to use manual when you don't need that speed/efficiency, which is what 'Auto' is intended for. Its all about using the camera's appropriate options when the circumstances allow it...none of it is bad.

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