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Mar 11, 2018 20:58:19   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Yes, it's time for another installment on Composition.
Lets talk about how to shoot portraits, especially those that are out of the ordinary.
I've been complaining that we never talk about actual photography, so Lets do that.
I know there are a lot of portraits shooters here and plenty that shoot them professionally, so lets dive in.
As always, this is for the benefit of those that are not portrait shooters but maybe would like to learn more. Maybe it will make you brave enough to shoot everybody in your family till they start running when they see you coming! LoL
This is NOT another snapshot vs photograph post.
It's meant to help other less knowledgeable shooters to move to the next level or those at the next level to go beyond that.
Ask questions or answer them. Post a creative or unusual composition, lets see if we can get a 100 pages of good info! LoL
I'm not here to moderate this, just to get the ball rolling. I'm certainly not an expert. So feel free to contribute if you have experience, as some of you do, like Ed S, The Captain or Pale.
So here goes!!!
Don't respond till after my second post where I'll add some pics. Give me a few minutes to Post them so this doesn't get Auto-moved.
Thanks
SS
Yes, it's time for another installment on Composit... (show quote)


I havn't shot any formal portraits, however I do shoot candids when out and about. There are a couple that may be a bit different and I was wondering if it was ok to post them, along with a few words.

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Mar 11, 2018 21:25:31   #
CO
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
I havn't shot any formal portraits, however I do shoot candids when out and about. There are a couple that may be a bit different and I was wondering if it was ok to post them, along with a few words.


I think you should post them.

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Mar 11, 2018 21:37:13   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
CO wrote:
I think you should post them.


Thanks. Both were shot with available light.

The first one was shot during an opera rehearsal. This is the assistant director.
The original (RAW) was low contrast, leaning towards a bit high key. The background was mostly a white wall.
It was shot in a hall with just 8 banks of twin flouro lights (utilitarian) in the high ceiling, with a bit of difused sunlight comming through the western windows very late in the aftermoon. Normallly it is not a great place to shoot (lighting wise) ISO 1600 @ F2 territory.

#2 Is at a motor racing meeting. Shooting in the garages is like shooting in a cave. Open skylight directly behind me. I was crouching, or sitting, down in the doorway.

Canon EOS 5D + Canon EF85mm f/1.8 USM @ ƒ/2.0 F=85.0 mm 1/200 and ISO 1600 Available light
Canon EOS 5D + Canon EF85mm f/1.8 USM @ ƒ/2.0 F=85...
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#2 - Canon EOS 40D + Canon EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM ƒ/8.0 F=400.0 mm 1/60 ISO 3200 Monopod and IS (VR) would have been on.
#2 -  Canon EOS 40D + Canon EF100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L...
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Mar 11, 2018 22:28:09   #
MattPhox Loc: Rhode Island
 
#1 is superb.

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Mar 11, 2018 22:43:23   #
CO
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
Thanks. Both were shot with available light.

The first one was shot during an opera rehearsal. This is the assistant director.
The original (RAW) was low contrast, leaning towards a bit high key. The background was mostly a white wall.
It was shot in a hall with just 8 banks of twin flouro lights (utilitarian) in the high ceiling, with a bit of difused sunlight comming through the western windows very late in the aftermoon. Normallly it is not a great place to shoot (lighting wise) ISO 1600 @ F2 territory.

#2 Is at a motor racing meeting. Shooting in the garages is like shooting in a cave. Open skylight directly behind me. I was crouching, or sitting, down in the doorway.
Thanks. Both were shot with available light. br b... (show quote)


I thought #1 is excellent also. I was using Nik Silver Efex Pro 2 the other day and saw one of their filters that produces an image a lot like yours. It's their Antique Plate II filter. I just applied the filter to one of my photos. I'm not trying to hijack your post. I just like the look that it produces.


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Mar 11, 2018 22:49:42   #
CO
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
Thanks. Both were shot with available light.

The first one was shot during an opera rehearsal. This is the assistant director.
The original (RAW) was low contrast, leaning towards a bit high key. The background was mostly a white wall.
It was shot in a hall with just 8 banks of twin flouro lights (utilitarian) in the high ceiling, with a bit of difused sunlight comming through the western windows very late in the aftermoon. Normallly it is not a great place to shoot (lighting wise) ISO 1600 @ F2 territory.

#2 Is at a motor racing meeting. Shooting in the garages is like shooting in a cave. Open skylight directly behind me. I was crouching, or sitting, down in the doorway.
Thanks. Both were shot with available light. br b... (show quote)


Photo #2 is very good. I like how the light is concentrated on the driver's face. The only thing I would say is that the helmet is white and its brightness draws some of the attention away from the driver's face.

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Mar 11, 2018 23:01:46   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
I havn't shot any formal portraits, however I do shoot candids when out and about. There are a couple that may be a bit different and I was wondering if it was ok to post them, along with a few words.

Richard, absolutely, post them. My post were just intended to get something started!
Looking forward to seeing them!
SS

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Mar 11, 2018 23:15:37   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
CO wrote:
I'm not trying to hijack your post.


CO, no hijacking taken!!! LoL
In photography school the way one learns any concept is to see hundreds of different photos that show that concept. Then goes out and executes that concept.
The concept here is portraits, Formal or not that are different, even experimental. That's how others will start to see WHAT a different portrait might look like and learn to venture out themselves. It's what makes the light bulb go off in their heads and they say, "why didn't I think of that"!
So post anything you think is pertinent to the discussion!!!
SS

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Mar 12, 2018 00:23:05   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
MattPhox wrote:
#1 is superb.


Thank you.

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Mar 12, 2018 00:28:54   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
CO wrote:
I thought #1 is excellent also. I was using Nik Silver Efex Pro 2 the other day and saw one of their filters that produces an image a lot like yours. It's their Antique Plate II filter. I just applied the filter to one of my photos. I'm not trying to hijack your post. I just like the look that it produces.


Thanks . Your image looks real good.
Normally for my B&W conversions (and not just portraits) Silver Efex Pro is my first port of call with maybe a minor tweak if needed.

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Mar 12, 2018 03:29:27   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Red Sky At Night wrote:
I am so happy to see this as I have a fairly new camera that I am putting on Manuel for the first time today, a brand new lens, and my grandkids are coming for a visit in two weeks. My plan was to shoot, shoot, shoot while they are here. I am hoping to get at least a couple of each of them that will be keepers. My granddaughter will be elegant. My grandson will be a clown. Am hoping to catch both of their personalities. The timing of this is perfect and I look forward to learning a lot. Can’t wait to hear ideas and direction from all of the pros. Nice portraits!!
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Red, thanks and welcome to the Hog!!!
Hopefully you will get some pointers and ideas to get some great shots of those grandkids of yours.
The problem when starting out is that you probably don't have lighting which of course contributes greatly to the look and quality of the image.
AND ambient light is the hardest of all to use it right. It takes way more experience than using strobes because it's much harder to apply and control, not to mention it can be changing on you and sometimes FAST!!! LoL
SS

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Mar 12, 2018 04:32:18   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
Red Sky At Night wrote:
I am so happy to see this as I have a fairly new camera that I am putting on Manuel for the first time today, a brand new lens, and my grandkids are coming for a visit in two weeks. My plan was to shoot, shoot, shoot while they are here. I am hoping to get at least a couple of each of them that will be keepers. My granddaughter will be elegant. My grandson will be a clown. Am hoping to catch both of their personalities. The timing of this is perfect and I look forward to learning a lot. Can’t wait to hear ideas and direction from all of the pros. Nice portraits!!
I am so happy to see this as I have a fairly new c... (show quote)


Some thoughts, and this is from experience even though I am just a hobbyst (with just one grandaughter), and an available light shooter;

#1 Get down to their level - it will make the shots more "intimate".
#2 Know your gear backward - keep in mind that if you are not looking through the viwfinder you usually can't shoot it.
Fidling with the camera is not good or playing around with menues.
Know how to quickly and consistently nail the exposure and the focus (on the eyes).
#3 Overcast days or indirect skylight is your friend (no harsh shadows or squinting).
#4 If shooting indoors windows with indirect skylight are also your friend.
#5 Be prepared to shoot at high to very high ISO values if need be and be prepared to post process your raw files to get the most out of them.
#6 Fill the frame with your subject, however shoot a little "loose" so you are not inadverantly cutting off hands or feet etc

I generally like to use fast lenses at wider apertures (to isolate the subject) and auto ISO.
I usually shoot aperture priority with some exposure compensation dialed in if need be (my current bodies have a live histogram in the viewfinder).
When shooting I keep chimping to a minimum unless the subject wants to see the image I have just shot.

For practice you may like to try shooting birds in flight!

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Mar 12, 2018 05:37:37   #
rlaugh Loc: Michigan & Florida
 
Some fine work posted here, interesting discussions that I will be following...have a few I might dig up and post...love your #2 !!!

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Mar 12, 2018 07:41:35   #
CanonTom Loc: Birmingham
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Dave, thanks! I’m interested in your first impressions on #2. What about it is it that you are uncertain about?
It IS an example of out of the ordinary. Kinda going where most don’t go!!
Which is what the topic is about.
Thanks
SS


I love Dave's #2! Both good but for me #1 has a detracting shadow that #2 overcomes. And Sharp Shooter, your three photos are all pleasing to me. I especially want to say how much I like this thread you have created. I have taken only a few decent portraits and am following mostly to learn, but thank you so much for doing this! I hope we start to see more threads like this for various photography styles. Tom

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Mar 12, 2018 07:54:07   #
charlieg54
 
Thanks for starting this discussion. I just received my first speedlight, a Nissin 700 with an Air 1 remote to use with my Fuji Xt-2. I’m excited to start learning portrait techniques. I can already see I’m going to need at least one more light.

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