rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

I'm not sure what you mean by overkill and I'm not sure why you are even asking the question you are. If you have quality EF lenses, want a full frame and can afford to part with $3300 then get yourself a 5D IV. I use one for my daily shooter and really like it. I also have a 5DSr but that's more of a specialty camera. Bottom line, if you want the 5D IV and can afford it, then get one. You won't be sorry.

mrtaxi Loc: Old Westbury NY, Fort Lauderdale, FL

I suggest that if you can afford it, go for the 5DIV, and if your budget is less go for a used 5DIII. They are a leap up and a big leap over the 6DII. Check out Google comparisons and check dpreview to confirm. If your budget is way bigger and larger and even heavier is OK, go for the 1DX series which is the camera for most professionals for speed, image quality and weather sealing. I own the 5DIII, 5DIV as well as a 70D and 5DS. I take the 70D when going light and 5DS for the detail needed in landscapes, larger prints, studio Work that requires micro detail. But the camera I choose the most is my 5DIV. That said traveling shirt or long, I always carry a Sony RX100 Mark IV amazing great tiny camera.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

5D4 or 1Dx MkII if you can afford them, neither will disappoint you for FF Canon. That is the choice I looked at about 18 months ago. 5D3 if you have to go less expensive. I prefer the vertical grip built into the body, but your needs may vary. To me larger body helps balance out larger lenses when handheld. But you can also be shooting with a setup that is over 6 pounds too. A good sling is important if you are carrying this around all day shooting.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

mikedidi46 Loc: WINTER SPRINGS, FLORIDA

I just got mine, and I found that it is an excellent piece of equipment. Better than the reviews, make it out to be

huskyrider705 Loc: Phenix City, Alabama

In FF I have had the 6D, 5D III, 5Ds R, 1DX Mark II and now the 5D Mark IV. The 5D Mark IV is the best all around FF camera of them all. It has good resolution, good low light performance, good dynamic range good control layout and all the speed I need. The 1DX Mark II was a very nice camera but I didn't need the speed and the resolution fell short and did not give me the detail I wanted for birds which is my main subject. It's your call but if you can afford it, I'd go for the 5D Mark IV.

SusanFromVermont Loc: Southwest corner of Vermont

If you want a shorter focal length, I agree with the OP who suggested the 24-70mm f/2.8 lens. I use the Nikon version of that lens, and it is the one I use the most! The 5DIV camera sounds like a definite step up, so it would be worth the money. And if you don't need a second camera, you can always sell it.

Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb

I have a 7DII and a 5DIV and find the the prefect setup. Don't know haw good the 6D is but will tell you this setup works. Cost more so that is a factor.

tjkraemer1 Loc: Maryland

Thank all of you for your input and suggestions. I'm definitely going to keep my 7D MKII and will be shopping for a 5D MKIV. I think that if i were to go with the 6DMKII, I would always be wondering if I made the right choice. No looking back or wondering "what if" with the 5D MKIV.

Thanks again for all the advice.

hpucker99 Loc: Anchorage, Alaska

I have used them many times in the past to rent camera bodies and lenses. I had a series of older Canons (APS-C) and I wanted to try out full frame cameras. Tried several combinations from Canon and Nikon and ended up buying a Nikon D750 which I enjoy.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Right answer. Enjoy!

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

What are you wanting to shoot with FF camera?

Sports & wildlife? If so, best choice in FF is 1DX Mark II.... 2nd best is 5D Mark IV.... 3rd is 6D Mark II. HOWEVER, personally I'd rather use an APS-C for sports/action and much wildlife shooting. In fact, I use a pair of 7D Mark II mostly. Those give close to the performance of 1DX II, but allow me to use smaller/lighter lenses than FF will require to frame shots the same way. For example, are you prepared to "trade up" from your 100-400 II to a 200-400/4 with built-in 1.4X or an EF 600mm f/4 II? $2000, 3.5 lb. lens versus an $11,000, 8 lb. lens? To use FF for sports/wildlife and still enjoy the same "reach", you're gonna need a bigger lens!

If you have other purposes for the FF camera... it may be ideal. I use one for landscapes & architecture primarily, as well as some portraiture and macro. But generally not for sports/wildlife... I prefer the APS-C cameras for that... along with the smaller, lighter, less expensive kit of lenses that allows me to use.

The primary benefits of FF are....
- Gobs of fine detail possible if you make really big prints... upwards of 16x24" print size.
- About one stop higher usable ISO, compared to same generation APS-C.
- Approx. a stop smaller usable aperture before diffraction becomes an issue (actually diffraction is the same... but a FF image needs less magnification, hence less apparent diffraction).
- Apparently stronger background blur with large apertures (not really tho... "shallower DoF" is actually because FF requires either a longer focal length lens or getting closer to subject).
- Wide lenses are truly wide.

The primary benefits of APS-C are...
- More than adequate image quality for most purposes... up to maybe 16x24" print size.
- Lower cost cameras... possibly smaller/lighter too (tho not always: 7DII & 5DIV are virtually identical size & weight).
- Higher frame rates, faster flash sync, less in-camera vibration from mirror slap.
- Allow use of smaller, lighter, less expensive lenses.
- Telephoto lenses are more powerful.

All that being said.... If you want to add FF to your kit, in my opinion:

- 6D Mark II would pair up most nicely with 80D... Those two share a very similar control layout and AF systems. This may be important if you'll often be using the cameras side-by-side, switching back and forth between them. $1900 6D Mark II offers 26MP, 1/4000 top shutter speed, 1/180 flash sync, ISO range 100-40000 (expands to 50, 51200, 102400), 45-point AF (all cross type, up to 27 f/8 capable w/limited lenses, others at center point only), up to 6.5 frames per second, single SD card slot. Unique to 6DII is an articulated LCD screen (it's the 1st FF Canon model to have this feature... it is a Touch Screen, too).

- 5D Mark IV would pair up quite nicely with 7D Mark II... very similar control layout and pretty similar AF system. $3200 5D Mark IV offers 30MP, 1/8000 top shutter speed, 1/200 flash sync, ISO range 100-32000 (expands to 50, 51200, 102400), 61-point AF (up to 41 cross type, all points f/8 capable), up to 7 frames per second, dual card slots (SD & CF).

- Although slower shooting cameras, 5DS/5DS-R also would pair up pretty comfortably with 7D Mark II. $3500/$3700 5DS/5DS-R offer 50MP, 1/8000 top shutter speed, 1/200 flash sync, ISO range 100 to 6400 (expands to 50, 12800), 61-point AF (41 cross-type, f/8 capable at center only), up to 5 frames per second, dual image processors, dual memory card slots (SD & CF).

In the end, I see FF complementing APS-C, rather than replacing it. If I were a highly paid pro photographer with an unlimited budget for lenses and an assistant to help carry them, I might opt for 1DX II for sports/action. But I'm not, so 7DII fit my needs better. But, as mentioned above, I do sometimes use FF for other thing. I will be upgrading to a newer FF camera soon... right now I'm using a 5DII (the far newer 7DII is actually more high ISO capable than the older FF, BTW). But since I do about 90% of my shooting with APS-C, I haven't been rushing out to spend a bunch of money on a new FF. The way I use FF, I will probably go with 5DS or 5DS-R... But 5DIV is certainly a contender, too. I will be keeping my 7DIIs... and most likely upgrading to 7DIII, if and when those come about.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

If that is your budget it appears to be a very good camera. You have superb lenses and as a FF Canon they will allow you to get incredible FF shots.
I wish a FF like that was in my budget.

jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska

I recently traded my 6D for the 6D2 and am extremely happy with it. The touch sensitive, articulated LCD is a godsend.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

You already have the top shelf lenses so you may as well go for the 5D IV and be done with it.... Having FF and DX bodies will give you an assortment of diff. FOV. and more versatility. I am at a little lower tier with a 60D and am going for a 6D. Same diff, just diff. level.

Bill Emmett Loc: Bow, New Hampshire

I can appreciate your desire for full frame, with the lenses you have. I also have, the 7D Mark II, but unlike you I also own the 6D Classic. I thought the same as you about those lenses on the 6D. Wrong, the 6D I or II just doesn't have the burst speed the 7D MII, has, but the 5D Mark IV is even better than the 7D Mark II. The focus speed is also faster, and the focus points are all active. I've about given up using the 7D Mark II, over the 5D MIV. I'm now back in New Orleans, to sell my old residence. I thought so little of the performance of the 6D I left it in Bow, NH for the Winter, and only brought the 5D MIV to shoot in La. You'll be astounded by the 5D Mark IV.

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