John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN

Rebel has a certain connotation that is to distinguish that Canon from other brands, but remember it is just blah blah from the marketing department.

amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA

Actually, Canon xD models are pro grade OR full frame OR crop sensor....

7D-series are crop sensor and fairly pro grade.
6D is sort of entry-level full frame.
5D-series are semi-pro grade full frame. 5DS-series are ultra high resolution, semi-pro, full frame.
1D-series were APS-H crop sensor, pro-grade.
1Ds-series were full frame, pro-grade, sturio oriented.
1DX-series are full frame, pro grade, sports oriented.

xxD models have traditionally been APS-C, mid-grade, consumer oriented models. 60D, 70D and 80D are different from earlier models, though. Canon sort of split the xxD series in two, when they introd the 60D as a slight downgrade versus the 7D as a slight upgrade.

xxxD and xxxxD (worldwide) have been the Rebel (N. America) and Kiss (Japan), more entry-level/affordable consumer models.

For some reason (probably marketing), Canon "muddied the waters" with their naming of the 77D. It's specifications are pure Rebel/xxxD series and it essentially replaced the Rebel T6s (760D) in the line-up.... Like that model, in spite of now being called an EOS 77D, it's basically the top of the Rebel/xxxD line and fits into the line-up just a notch below the mid-grade 80D.

77D has penta-mirror based viewfinder, like all Rebel/Kiss/xxxD models. 80D and above models all use a true pentaprism, which make for a little bigger and brighter viewfinder, but add weight and cost.

77D also has a top shutter speed of 1/4000 and a flash sync speed of 1/200. 80D and 7DII (and prior models) have 1/8000 and 1/250. Full frame typically have top speed of 1/8000 too... but flash sync of 1/200 or 1/180. The more pro oriented 1D-series have in some cases had higher specification shutters.

77D and T7i both use a 45-point autofocus array, adopted from the 80D. However, the 77D and T7i do not have Micro Focus Adjust feature, which 80D and higher models have.

I haven't seen an official durability rating for 77D, but would guess it's rated for 75,000 shutter actuations like most of the cameras with top speed of 1/4000. 80D and prior are rated for 100,0000 "clicks", while 7D was rated for 150,000 and 7DII is rated for 200,000. The latest 1DX II is rated for 450,000 shutter actuations, I think.

Hope this makes sense!

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

"Re-learn photography?"
I think I'd be looking for a new person to deal with.
I started with film. The basics have not changed. Digital has added a lot of ways to get to that image you desire. Each camera offers different variables. I look at it as adding knowledge. What would there be to re-learn. If that fool is referring to the math involved in FF vs Crop sensors/lenses, some people worry too much about details. Look through the viewfinder, look at the corners, and make it work.

BebuLamar

Rebel is a person who rises in opposition or armed resistance against an established government or ruler.

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

Interesting comparison. You said a lot with just a few words and no numbers involved. I will be looking for your posts in the future.

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

Agreed!
I am a believer in the KISS theory. That's why I like my XS710HS. But sometimes I want more.

graybeard

I am at a loss to understand Canon nomenclature. One name for Europe (1100D) another for America (T3). No apparent way of telling if one camera is full frame or crop sensor. No apparent way of telling if one camera is supposed to be the upgrade of another. (T3 to T4 or T3i)? I suppose if you really wanted to spend the time, you could figure it out. But isn't that rather counter intuitive to good marketing??

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

At a marketing level, I agree, but that isn't a strength for many Japanese companies. Nikon, Sony, et al aren't much better.

And all of them change the rules, that's how Mr. Google earns his keep!

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

Yes, believe it or not, it all made sense. And I thank you for the detailed explanation. You brought a lot of light to my confusion. I always appreciate your efforts and explainations to my questions and others questions.

Short version:
Rebel (xxxD) is the plastic frame filled with light weight components for lower cost and entry level.
xxD is the enthusiast's model built in a metal frame with a true Penta prism, and stronger components, more gadgets, and maybe a full frame.
Professional xD is everything xxD plus full frame sensor, heavier components, longer life, extended gadgets (ISO - shutter speed), and bigger price tag.

So when some one said the 77D was still a Rebel, basically he meant that it is a plastic frame with a pentamirror smaller viewfinder. And if my intent is to move up, then the 80D is a better choice. Now it's all starting to make sense.

Thanx

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

You're close, but marketing speak uses weasel words, and they are not the same between the US, Europe and Japan! You really do have to look at the specifications.

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

I know, I'm replying to my own post. I assumed you were referring to the Keep It Simple Stupid theory. Then I find out that a Canon Rebel in this country is known as a Kiss in Japan. Go figure! Now I'm not sure just what you meant.

lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle

I like your choice of the term "weasel words". That explains a lot.
In 33 years of teaching, if a kid could summarize back to me what I had explained, it told me what he did or did not learn. Short version is meant to be close, not exact.
Kind of like the 80D one stop faster shutter but one stop slower ISO compared to the 77D.
I prefer available light do higher ISO meant more to me than 1/8000 shutter speed. Those specs I knew. Others tried to explain why shutter speed was more important than ISO. But in all my research I did not find Rebel=plastic frame / penta-mirror, thus less expensive. Thanx AM.

mas24 Loc: Southern CA

You are correct. But in the USA the Canon Rebel Series is also represented by a model number. UK Canon model numbers are different than in the USA. But are the same camera. If you tell me you have a Canon T3i or a T7i, I know already it is a Rebel Series Camera. If you tell me you have a Canon 80D, I would know that is not a Rebel Series. But, if you have a UK Canon Model model number, same as Rebels, I would be confused on what Canon camera you really have. By USA model numbers. The only thing that matters, is that you know what camera you own. And that it takes pictures. Wherever you live.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

I only spent 8 years as a "high school" teacher in the UK, but have spent much of the rest in the US and in high tech marketing and so on. Rebel is merely a brand name for an entry level DSLR, sometimes products move from one product level or brand category to another. That is what happened with the T6s to 77D.

You have to work out what you want/need, and how to choose it.

rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA

A worse mistake is using numbers in an illogical manner that confuses customers. At least names don't pretend to indicate a sequence.