Another Subscription Plan (Page 2): "Can someone really justify "earning" $25 million a year - and wanting even more?" Perhaps even more open to criticism if you're a world champion...

Clapperboard

"Can someone really justify "earning" $25 million a year - and wanting even more?"
Perhaps even more open to criticism if you're a world champion driver and fiddle your taxes on your private aeroplane??
GREED is what drives so many people. Strange world when even our politicians advocate greed/selfishness as a VIRTUE!!
Maybe 'the Tolpuddle Martyrs' had a point after all?
Best wishes to all for 2018.

Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains

jerryc41 wrote:

If you add up all your subscriptions, and your subscriptions five years from now, I bet it will be a big deal, and all you're getting is updates. Subscriptions remove choice from your life. You pay whether you want the updates or not. Before I buy a new version of a program, I look at the so-called improvements and decide if they're worth it. I'm using Quicken from 2014, and there's nothing in the 2018 subscription version that I want.

mrjcall Loc: Woodfin, NC

Clapperboard wrote:

"Can someone really justify "earning" $25 million a year - and wanting even more?"
Perhaps even more open to criticism if you're a world champion driver and fiddle your taxes on your private aeroplane??
GREED is what drives so many people. Strange world when even our politicians advocate greed/selfishness as a VIRTUE!!
Maybe 'the Tolpuddle Martyrs' had a point after all?
Best wishes to all for 2018.

Whatever happened to good ole 'Capitalism' where success in one's endeavors was to be praised/rewarded instead of denigrated? Why is today's success equated with greed/selfishness? I know, take it to the attic, but couldn't help myself.....😜

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

mrjcall wrote:

Whatever happened to good ole 'Capitalism' where success in one's endeavors was to be praised/rewarded instead of denigrated? Why is today's success equated with greed/selfishness? I know, take it to the attic, but couldn't help myself.....😜

Agree. Cheers if you have the knowledge to make that much money. Now, it’s what that person does with it that really defines them as a human.

mrjcall Loc: Woodfin, NC

Cdouthitt wrote:

Agree. Now, it’s what that person does with it that really defines them as a human.

Subscribe to lotsa new software!! (then support your local charities)

Seriously, success in any endeavor does not automatically equate to financial success, but when it does, I'm all for it......Adobe has found a way to expand it's success by offering a reasonable product for a reasonable price. If it was a product no-one wanted, then they would not be having the financial success they are enjoying now would they?

I know of no product that fits every situation, so if Adobe, or or anyone else's, product model doesn't work for ya, head on down the road, eh? If enough do that, the product will eventually change to meet the conditions. It's called 'Capitalism' which is really nothing more than success at anticipating and meeting market demand.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

My experience with Forums is about the same as with apps. Remember there were other sharing and chat apps before Facebook, Twitter, etc. They tend to appear, get big and they get replaced by the next great thing. It is the same with forums. Ones that used to be big now have shrunk down to very little traffic. People move on when they can. Although with the large providers being hooked up with the government or the shadow government they are much more likely to try and stay around until the next big thing can be implemented to further erode the people's privacy. The real answer is to just put a new internet in place and eliminate the old internet as we know it. Then you will be paying to use the new internet...not just possibly what is on it. Just my predictions...so don't get your panties in a bunch... Advertising and click bait drives a lot of what hits your screens today. Click Bait makes it a money maker to create Fake News and Stories. It is all just about getting you to come to their site.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

MrBob wrote:

Does anyone REALLY think that interacting and posting on sites like this for free will last forever...? They will try and squeeze the last dime out of you eventually. The flip side of this is why should we expect any kind of free lunch ? No debate here, just kind of seeing where things are headed.

camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.

I for sure will not go for it. Now that Adobe introduced the subscription concept others companies appear to be ready to take the same steps to make more money.
I am so glad that I own what I have and I do not have to resort to subscriptions.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

I'll challenge anyone to go out and be successful in the software business long term. It is a business unlike any other that I have ever been involved in during my career. Software that we could charge $1,500 a seat for in 1995 was a commodity that we had to basically give away for free or very little money a few years later. Maybe you could get a few dollars a year for maintenance fees but even that was hard as sales people always want to give away free maintenance to close the sale. Now it probably costs a quarter million dollars plus to pay an software engineer and provide the tools office space and support infrastructure need for them. That is a lot of software subscriptions at $10 a month or software sales at less than $100 for most PC software. And the customers what you to support it when they have a problem. And enhance it with new features and to support new hardware and in our case cameras too. Good Luck...

Best,
Todd Ferguson

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

Software companies have been wanting to go to the subscription or as I call it the Utility model for over 20 years. The idea is nothing new as most software companies are just trying to survive. The reason you can get free or low cost apps is that they are often bombarding you with ads or in app sale offers or both. That is what Facebook does all day everyday. But people perceive it to be a free app. Free my a$$... One way or another they are going to make money off of you or they will not be around. I have heard that Amazon gets a government subsidy of $1.48 for every package they ship...now that sure helps their bottom line at the taxpayers expense.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

camerapapi wrote:

I for sure will not go for it. Now that Adobe introduced the subscription concept others companies appear to be ready to take the same steps to make more money.
I am so glad that I own what I have and I do not have to resort to subscriptions.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Here is the issue. Software is fluid. It has to be in order to take advantage of new cameras, lenses and computer capabilities. Staying current is essential to software developers. Developing new software with improved features is critical to a company's viability. This can't happen if everyone buys one license and uses it to their grave.

So enough of the whining and just pay the measly price of the software - be it monthly annually, or whatever. It is far cheaper than film in any case.

Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina

Gene51 wrote:

Here is the issue. Software is fluid. It has to be in order to take advantage of new cameras, lenses and computer capabilities. Staying current is essential to software developers. Developing new software with improved features is critical to a company's viability. This can't happen if everyone buys one license and uses it to their grave.

So enough of the whining and just pay the measly price of the software - be it monthly annually, or whatever. It is far cheaper than film in any case.

Granitehill4

Like many consumer rights, we can and always will be able to vote our opinions with how, where, and when we spend! Say no by not participating. If enough people agree I am sure that Adobe’s need for revenue will force a change in policy. If enough people vote approval by buying a subscription, the need for revenue growth will make $25 pm into $29 pm then $34.95 pm like death and taxes, it is inevitable my friends.

dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida

Clapperboard said in part above "GREED is what drives so many people. Strange world when even our politicians advocate greed/selfishness as a VIRTUE!!
Maybe 'the Tolpuddle Martyrs' had a point after all?"

http://www.tolpuddlemartyrs.org.uk/story

Yep and now like the tolpuddlemarters, protesters at the Trump inaugural day were arrested in mass, kettled [circled by police and all were arrested]. Someone thru a brick and so damage to property was the arrest excuse... every one even news people were arrested... first amendment be damn.... three were tried thus far and acquitted.

Did a Trumpite throw the brick.... or an infiltrator... Trump prompted violence if you recall.... use the second amendment he too often said. Putin uses it freely to clear the world of anti Putin people... just like uncle Joe.

anotherview Loc: California

Another business model exists for gaining revenue for a given Web-site: Hyper-links to other Web-sites that return a credit to the given Web-site when a user visits the other Web-sites.

Ken Rockwell explicitly states this method as his revenue-maker. He offers value to his readers from his critical reviews of camera and lens products among other products.

Software-makers of course offer value by another means, by providing digital enhancements to photographs. These software-makers sell a license to use their software.
They do so by two means: a one-time purchase price or a subscription involving installment payments.

It seems like stating the obvious that a business on the Internet will monetize its value to users of a Web-site.

MrBob wrote:

Does anyone REALLY think that interacting and posting on sites like this for free will last forever...? They will try and squeeze the last dime out of you eventually. The flip side of this is why should we expect any kind of free lunch ? No debate here, just kind of seeing where things are headed.

Granitehill4

It is the “obvious” model, BUT what seems not so obvious is that the consumer still holds the ultimate power because it is their hard earned dollars that are needed to monetize their websites. Am I missing something in my position? I use version 6 and have no intention of turning my credit card over to Adobe along with reuse privileges to do as they see fit.