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Nov 25, 2017 02:15:51   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
BigBear wrote:
Go ask Bernie what it is that he is pushing to the young kids.


This is a rather half-assed reply which contains no genuine concern for thought or content, and just wants to smear the issue and to hide ignorance.

I defy you to show me where Bernie advocates the Federal Government owning the means of production. I defy you.

Here is the general content of the kind of things Bernie advocates, under the name of “the Nordic model.”

I add this simplification and generalized summary from the dread Wikipedia, the slayer of ignorance and misinformation:

The Nordic model (also called Nordic capitalism) “includes a combination of free market capitalism with a comprehensive welfare state and collective bargaining at the national level.”

The Nordic Model – Embracing globalization and sharing risks characterises the system as follows:
▪ An elaborate social safety net in addition to public services such as free education and universal healthcare.
▪ Strong property rights, contract enforcement, and overall ease of doing business.
▪ Public pension plans.
▪ Low barriers to free trade.
▪ Little product market regulation. Nordic countries rank very high in product market freedom according to OECD rankings.
▪ Low levels of corruption. Denmark, Finland, Sweden, and Norway were ranked among the top 10 least corrupt of the 167 countries evaluated.
▪ High percentage of workers belonging to a labour union.

The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership.

The Nordic model is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector. ... In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world". Some economists have referred to the Nordic economic model as a form of "cuddly" capitalism, with low levels of inequality, generous welfare states and reduced concentration of top incomes, and contrast it with the more "cut-throat" capitalism of the United States, which has high levels of inequality and a larger concentration of top incomes.

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Nov 25, 2017 05:39:14   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
gorgehiker wrote:
Your many comments make you sound like such a miserable and hateful person. I suggest that you move to socialist Denmark which always scores very highly in the world happiness surveys as do many socialist countries. Such a move might improve your sour attitude!


YOU'RE the one whining about wanting other people to take care of your useless mother, not me. You send HER to Denmark, I couldn't give a rats ass about her!

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Nov 25, 2017 05:40:53   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
Twardlow wrote:
Listen ignorant one, Socialism is a method of government in which the national government owns or controls the means of production—the factories and mills.

No one suggests that the US government own or control industry.

Your definition of Socialism is incorrect, wrong, misguided, uninformed, random, wandering, and incorrect.

When you use words you don’t understand, you say things that are incorrect and which don’t reflect what you say and what you think.

Socialism means the government controls or owns the means of production, that is the factories and mills, and no one—absolutely no one advocated that in this country.

If. You clarify your words, you also clarify your thinking and your meaning and your understanding.

Look up Socialism in Wkipedia, and prove me wrong.
Listen ignorant one, Socialism is a method of gove... (show quote)


That's Communism stupid!

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Nov 25, 2017 06:28:42   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Twardlow wrote:
Perhaps so, but you have no idea what they were talking about, what socialism is.

And because of that, you thinking and expression and logic and opinion are all wrong, entirely wrong, uninformed, misinformed, misleading, still wrong, and in error, and your head is in the sand because of it.

No one respects what you say because they all know you have no idea what you are talking about.


Far more than the ignorant libs like you who have never studied anything relating to our founders and their thoughts, letters and writings. Libs are pretty stupid that way. A great recent national example is when you and your stupid lib friends made fun of Romney when he said the Russians were a threat to us. All you libs laughed and ridiculed him mercilessly. No you libs see a Russian behind every Republican and how they were so smart as to give the election to the President and how evil they are and such a threat. About 4 years too late dumb ass.

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Nov 25, 2017 06:52:53   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
ken hubert wrote:
That's Communism stupid!


Well, I see your ignorance matches your hostility and your belligerence, uneducated one! Beside empty threats and schoolboy insults, you know nothing.

Communism is something entirely different, though you wouldn’t understand. Someday when I think you're worth the effort, I’ll spell it out for you, though you still won’t get it.

How you manage to still walk the earth with your insecurity and fear is a tribute to the civility and Christian character of mature and civilized beings.

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Nov 25, 2017 13:39:50   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
Twardlow wrote:
Well, I see your ignorance matches your hostility and your belligerence, uneducated one! Beside empty threats and schoolboy insults, you know nothing.

Communism is something entirely different, though you wouldn’t understand. Someday when I think you're worth the effort, I’ll spell it out for you, though you still won’t get it.

How you manage to still walk the earth with your insecurity and fear is a tribute to the civility and Christian character of mature and civilized beings.


I not only walk Twat, I drink coffee. Want to meet me on the 10th? I will be in Little Rock then. How about meeting me for coffee ???

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Nov 25, 2017 15:18:53   #
gorgehiker Loc: Lexington, Ky
 
ken hubert wrote:
YOU'RE the one whining about wanting other people to take care of your useless mother, not me. You send HER to Denmark, I couldn't give a rats ass about her!


You have identified the problem. You don't give a rat's ass about anyone other than yourself!

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Nov 25, 2017 15:33:28   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Twardlow wrote:
First you admit to a definition of socialism, then you ascribe all sorts of activity which have nothing to do with socialism as being socialism.

Things that exist without reference to the government ownership of means of production aren’t socialism or socialistic.

Gone are the days when a man with an ox and an axe can farm free land and live alone.

As an automobile is more complex that a mule, modern society is more complex that the 17th century, and complexity requires organization and regulation.

“Things like the federal income tax and the progressive aplication of it is "socialist" in that it should not be up to the government to pick winners and losers-everyone should pay the same percentage.” This has nothing to do with socialism and you have admitted as much. And this is fundamentally wrong.

“Welfare-food stamps-Medicaid are "socialist".” Not so. They have nothing to do with government ownership.

There is no such thing a “social justice,” just Justice as provided by the bill of rights and the constitution, and enacted laws of the nation.

“Although the federal government does not own the businesses of America, it has almost regulated them out of business.” Not so. GM is doing fine. Ford, too. Do you have any idea what the gross national product is and how much money is involved?

Trump has done nothing but blow his mouth. He knows nothing, and he has done nothing. And all of this has nothing to do with socialism.

Your thought is very foggy and vague. Study, read and learn. There is much to know and we don’t have much time.
First you admit to a definition of socialism, then... (show quote)

2 things to think about. Does the federal government have more or less control over the country now that it did 100 years ago? Are the radical leftists closer to socialism than the radical rightest?. The trend toward more and more governmet control is a purposeful one , as stated by the progressives of the early 20th century who knew that the process must be ever so slow. The answeres to those questions are quite obvious to anyone who knows the philosophies of those early progressives as they took their iedes from Engels and Marx. Read about those early progressives and you will understand

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Nov 25, 2017 15:35:09   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
gorgehiker wrote:
You have identified the problem. You don't give a rat's ass about anyone other than yourself!


.. Between those dots the world's smallest violins are playing for you.

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Nov 25, 2017 15:45:23   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
boberic wrote:
2 things to think about. Does the federal government have more or less control over the country now that it did 100 years ago? Are the radical leftists closer to socialism than the radical rightest?. The trend toward more and more governmet control is a purposeful one , as stated by the progressives of the early 20th century who knew that the process must be ever so slow. The answeres to those questions are quite obvious to anyone who knows the philosophies of those early progressives as they took their iedes from Engels and Marx. Read about those early progressives and you will understand
2 things to think about. Does the federal governme... (show quote)


Drug prices are another good example of big business taking care of the consumer, lest we forget EpiPen and many others. Some things need regulation to protect the public from being out and out raped.

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Nov 25, 2017 16:05:03   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
DaveO wrote:
Drug prices are another good example of big business taking care of the consumer, lest we forget EpiPen and many others. Some things need regulation to protect the public from being out and out raped.


Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme - Probably just too unfair and bolshie for Big Pharma in the US.


"The PBS was established by the Labor Chifley Government, by the Pharmaceutical Benefits Act 1947 which commenced on 1 July 1948,[2] as part of a wider plan to create a British-style National Health Service. The scheme was an extension of the similar Repatriation Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme established in 1919 for Australian servicemen and women who had served in the Boer War and World War I.

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Nov 25, 2017 16:09:30   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Texcaster wrote:
Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme - Probably just too unfair and bolshie for Big Pharma in the US.


"The PBS was established by the Labor Chifley Government, by the Pharmaceutical Benefits Act 1947 which commenced on 1 July 1948,[2] as part of a wider plan to create a British-style National Health Service. The scheme was an extension of the similar Repatriation Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme established in 1919 for Australian servicemen and women who had served in the Boer War and World War I.
Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme - Probably just too... (show quote)


My only point is that unfortunately some form of protection for the consumer is needed. Others argue that the market should set the price and screw those who can't afford certain commodities. That's not what the US is about.

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Nov 25, 2017 17:33:17   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
DaveO wrote:
Drug prices are another good example of big business taking care of the consumer, lest we forget EpiPen and many others. Some things need regulation to protect the public from being out and out raped.


Of course there should be reguletions. But they should not cripple business. There are laws to prevent the epi-pen thing

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Nov 25, 2017 18:36:56   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
boberic wrote:
Of course there should be reguletions. But they should not cripple business. There are laws to prevent the epi-pen thing


We are basically in agreement then.

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Nov 25, 2017 22:29:37   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
Texcaster wrote:
In a country where even the most destitute and desperate can arm themselves with awesome fire power, generous social programs are prudent to protect the haves from the have- nots. You know, "let them eat AR15s."


Thanks for that viewpoint! I'll be curious to see how Archie and his buds deal with that alternative view of the Sacred Second Amendment. Arms aren't the exclusive privilege of the well-to-do.

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