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Nov 17, 2017 15:48:35   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
suntouched wrote:
I have tried recent versions of DXO, Luminar and Affinity and don't find them to be at all intuitive. As a matter of fact I sat there stating at the DXO screen for 5 minutes trying to figure out how to load a photo to edit and it was downhill from there.

I don't enjoy post processing and would rather be taking pictures than learning new from scratch, complicated, editing software. So for now I will keep on using Bridge, Camera Raw, PS, (and OnOne) and pay the fees. My fees haven't risen more than 2.00 a month (if that) over the past 5 years. There is no guarantee that the aforementioned companies will still be around 5 years from now anyway and if they are, who knows what their fees will end up being. Or they could decide that the lease option is the way to go too.

And there is always PS Elements (with video editing) as a stand alone to purchase.

Anyone else feel the same?
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Nope. I edit every single one of my images. I rarely spend more than 5 minutes on one. I too enjoy shooting, but I also enjoy the continuation of the creative process while sitting in front of my computer. There are many things in life that are not intuitive - they must be learned. Computers are notoriously non-intuitive. But once you learn what you need to know, these non-intuitive things become very useful, and in the case of photography, provide a means to improve your images and do it quickly so you can go out and take more of them.

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Nov 18, 2017 05:52:29   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
I have PSE 10 and I'm just getting comfortable with it. I don't find learning via. electronic means at all intuitive and echo many of your views.

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Nov 18, 2017 05:56:44   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
suntouched wrote:
I have tried recent versions of DXO, Luminar and Affinity and don't find them to be at all intuitive. As a matter of fact I sat there stating at the DXO screen for 5 minutes trying to figure out how to load a photo to edit and it was downhill from there.

I don't enjoy post processing and would rather be taking pictures than learning new from scratch, complicated, editing software. So for now I will keep on using Bridge, Camera Raw, PS, (and OnOne) and pay the fees. My fees haven't risen more than 2.00 a month (if that) over the past 5 years. There is no guarantee that the aforementioned companies will still be around 5 years from now anyway and if they are, who knows what their fees will end up being. Or they could decide that the lease option is the way to go too.

And there is always PS Elements (with video editing) as a stand alone to purchase.

Anyone else feel the same?
I have tried recent versions of DXO, Luminar and A... (show quote)


I'm using the Adobe products, but I also have several others, just in case. I know what you mean about learning something new, but once you get it, you've got it! Try tutorials from the company - probably on YouTube.

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Nov 18, 2017 06:12:04   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
I personally don't know how anyone can learn a good PP program with out some kind of tutorial, be it a book or a Lynda type video course. PP programs are not the type of thing a person (Particularly a non computer type) can simply wade into and learn by trying this or that. Just my 2 cents.

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Nov 18, 2017 06:22:50   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
Suntouched, everyone here is right. Computers and photography are now married like peanut butter and jelly. Technology will always change and we will have to learn new stuff. Not sure what post-processing you do (you said you shoot RAW) but there is an alternative. Play it like a slide-film shooter. For us, once the shutter button was pressed, there was no "retouching." We used different filters and different brands of film to change the "look" of an image and tried to "get it right with the shot." Much more restrictive but a nice challenge.

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Nov 18, 2017 06:31:55   #
russelray Loc: La Mesa CA
 
Back in 1966, I enjoyed post-processing pictures in the school's dark room. I developed the film using different chemicals for the different films;
exposed the film on different papers for different effects;
used different chemicals for the different papers;
dodged;
burned;
created special effects with different filters;
went home all smelly and stinky..............

What's changed?

Now I get to do it all at the comfort of my computer;
without getting all smelly and stinky;
while watching the latest episode of "House of Cards" or "Game of Thrones"';
or listening to the latest music by U2, Metallica, Depeche Mode, Accept;
while drinking a margarita;
and spending $9.99 a month for Photoshop, Bridge, and Lightroom rather than $9.99 a day on films, chemicals, and papers.

Yep. I love modernism. The learning curve is much less time consuming and far less expensive.

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Nov 18, 2017 06:57:25   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
If your already using PSE and knowledgeable with its features but don't want monthly payments look around for PS6 last PS that Adobe sold but no longer supports newer camera RAW files this is what I do
I still use my PS6 for finenite editing
I open my RAW files in PSE ( camera raw) convert the images into a PSD I can now open in PS6 and complete my editing

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Nov 18, 2017 06:58:10   #
ediesaul
 
Anyone else feel the same?[/quote]

I have been using Elements 12 for years. I haven't learned layers yet, but I want to.

I take photos to put into Shutterfly albums and for my school's yearbook. With such small photos, "good enough" is good enough.

So, your question really is about end product, I think.

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Nov 18, 2017 07:01:27   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
suntouched wrote:
I have tried recent versions of DXO, Luminar and Affinity and don't find them to be at all intuitive. As a matter of fact I sat there stating at the DXO screen for 5 minutes trying to figure out how to load a photo to edit and it was downhill from there.

I don't enjoy post processing and would rather be taking pictures than learning new from scratch, complicated, editing software. So for now I will keep on using Bridge, Camera Raw, PS, (and OnOne) and pay the fees. My fees haven't risen more than 2.00 a month (if that) over the past 5 years. There is no guarantee that the aforementioned companies will still be around 5 years from now anyway and if they are, who knows what their fees will end up being. Or they could decide that the lease option is the way to go too.

And there is always PS Elements (with video editing) as a stand alone to purchase.

Anyone else feel the same?
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I suspect you need to fall in love with youtube. Pick the product and there are tons of videos. Just watched a brief one of Luminar and darn similar to LR in basics. Unless you're real skilled at installing and using osmosis and/or help screens to get started, you will not have a good experience.

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Nov 18, 2017 07:01:32   #
LizzieMoose Loc: Kingston, Ontario
 
A few years ago I started using ArcSoft. Easy to use with good results. I've never seen it mentioned here.

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Nov 18, 2017 07:04:41   #
rayr
 
G Brown wrote:
I have found that Linux offers a whole host of post processing programmes. Darktable workflow, The Gimp and either UFraw or Rawtherapee. Dlaboratory etc. There are also a range of newer lightweight programmes too. Whether these are cross platform I don't know. But they do accept my Sony Raw and more modern cameras. You can run Linux on a seporate partition with Windows. That way you can use the freeware.

Having learned on PSE, I find that I do a minimal amout of PP. - rarely using layers for example. Not that I am a purist....It is just that I don't do the types of images that demand a lot of work, beyond the simple tools. I also had LR5 but it simply had very little to offer me as I don't add key words to my images, I simply look for them.camera/D/M/Y./ works for me!

It is worth noting that file formats are pretty universal, so using several PP software on a single image isn't an issue. Buying all 'the whistles and bells' in one programme may be easier, but is not always a requirement.

The only requirement is the need to do it.....however little or much you do.

I am sure that in the near future 'The Cloud' thingy will give us a whole new raft of software as well as new headaches when it screws up...Don't think I will go there either...I have my head firmly stuck up my A.....as it is.

Have fun
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I have to agree, I have been a Linux user for 15 years and there are some powerful editing programs available. I use Raw Therapee for my main raw editor and it does a great job, there is also Darktable, and Light Zone. I take my jpegs into Smart Photo Editor that is a windows program that I run with WINE in Linux if I want to add presets. Photography has always been and always will be a learning process, and today, software is part of that process. If you are not willing to learn something new and maybe better, you might as well give up.

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Nov 18, 2017 07:16:46   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
suntouched wrote:
I have tried recent versions of DXO, Luminar and Affinity and don't find them to be at all intuitive. As a matter of fact I sat there stating at the DXO screen for 5 minutes trying to figure out how to load a photo to edit and it was downhill from there.

I don't enjoy post processing and would rather be taking pictures than learning new from scratch, complicated, editing software. So for now I will keep on using Bridge, Camera Raw, PS, (and OnOne) and pay the fees. My fees haven't risen more than 2.00 a month (if that) over the past 5 years. There is no guarantee that the aforementioned companies will still be around 5 years from now anyway and if they are, who knows what their fees will end up being. Or they could decide that the lease option is the way to go too.

And there is always PS Elements (with video editing) as a stand alone to purchase.

Anyone else feel the same?
I have tried recent versions of DXO, Luminar and A... (show quote)


Kind of like software gas attacks... started with Elements and then purchased PS with the new Mac and for some reason was STILL trying things like Affinity etc... I think I felt PS was a little too daunting ? I have come to my senses and realize that PS is the best of all worlds; it might not do everything as well as some but it does everything pretty well. I decided to just explore one feature at a time instead of looking at the complete package and getting discouraged. I don't like using Lightroom so I go straight to ACR and am very happy moving in small steps. 9.99 a month is a small price to pay for all of the processing power of PS. Contrary to you I actually enjoy being " At My Post " as much as the actual capture... I guess as parting words I will say that the more I learn of PS the happier I am that I stayed with it... Good luck in your choice.

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Nov 18, 2017 07:26:03   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
The main thing is to be comfortable with what you are using. The monthly plan is not expensive, but some, like myself, don't like the business plan. I continue to use CS5, but more and more I use Elements 15 as my go to editor. For my web posting it does everything I need, 95% of the time.

I also have On1, Corel, Zoner, Gimp, and a few others for times when I feel like fooling around. That's when I usually learn something new. All of these programs can do more than most amateurs will ever need. In spite of people claiming one or the other is best, they are only saying what is best for them.

The Toyota Corolla is the best selling car in the world and Hyundai is closing in on them. That doesn't make it the best car for everyone. Many people buy things thinking the most popular must be the best ... just because.

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Nov 18, 2017 07:28:59   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
suntouched wrote:
I think I sent the wrong message :)

I found myself reacting to the mass "panic" about Adobe's model and business practices (especially with recent changes) and started looking for new editing software. And realized the learning curve in doing so. And made the decision to stay with Adobe products until reality, not rumors, prove that it is no longer a good option.

I post process. I have to with Raw files. I am capable of learning new editing software but I choose not to invest the time to do so.


While everyone else (it seems) is busy learning new, complicated, editing software I will be out taking pictures :)
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Maybe on the wrong message.

I/m pretty sure that being busy learning new, complicated editing software and taking pictures are mutually exclusive. Accountants, attorneys, doctors, auto mechanics, teachers, etc - all have to periodically engage in professional development/ongoing training in order to remain at the top of their game. If such were not the case, you'd NEVER see me taking an airplane!

So why not photographers?

I can assure you, I don't let learning new software ever get in the way of taking pictures. The only thing that gets in the way are the "honey do" things that come up on a regular basis. One does have to maintain priorities . . .

As far as spending any time on learning software - if it makes me a better photographer - or put another way, able to produce finer images - it is worth every second.

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Nov 18, 2017 07:31:24   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Ditto:
rmalarz wrote:
Unfortunately, processing is part of photography. In the truest sense, to be a complete photographer, one should process their own work. There are those who rely on others. In cases such as Kodachrome users, they had not choice but to have the film processed by a competent processing house.

The aspect of this new level of digital photography requires one to be competent with a number of electronic devices, cameras, card readers, computers, storage systems, and networking. As with any new technology, there are learning curves and obstacles. However, the web is replete with tutorials and literature to assist in learning.

I, too, enjoy the taking photographs part of the experience. However, sitting the the comfort of "my lab", is just as pleasant and enjoyable. It's even somewhat more peaceful enveloped by music, and my cat's occasional loud meowing for attention. Though, that is restricted to only the dry parts of the lab.

It's just part of being a photographer.
--Bob
Unfortunately, processing is part of photography. ... (show quote)

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