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Jun 24, 2017 17:35:59   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
mas24 wrote:
One initial complaint was that the camera had an overheating problem after a series of minimal shots. Did you notice any overheating in your camera body? A firmware could diminish that problem. Other than the overheating, photographers have still been impressed, like you. Enjoy your new toy.


As peek pointed out, there wasn't an overheating problem so much as an overheating warning indicator problem. VERY few people actually reported that their cameras overheated and shut down.

Sony sent out firmware updates to correct the problem, one would assume, by raising the temperature level needed to turn on that warning.

It should ALSO be noted that those FEW YouTubers who actually GOT their cameras to overheat and shut down either used the wrong memory card as mentioned above... or DELIBERATELY tried to get the camera to overheat by placing it in the hot sun without shade for extended periods of time... something NO working camera would actually experience as the cameramans body would shade it periodically.

As also stated above, it was trolls who spread the FALSE narrative that this camera has a problem with overheating and a simple search of available videos will literally show dozens of users who could NOT get the camera warning to come on, much less get the camera to shut down due to overheating.

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Jun 24, 2017 17:36:41   #
chaman
 
CHOLLY wrote:
And YOU, just proved CONCLUSIVELY that you are nothing more than a troll.

You question "FACTS" and dispute evidence because you either disagree with them or more likely, get your jollies by being insulting and pissing people off.

Sorry guy... but you lack credibility and your true nature is shown; your cover blown.

Troll.

One who lacks ANY credibility


Of course. Whatever you say. Any links of your awesome work on these highly advanced cameras? YOUR work, not anyone else. You love to start threads praising Sony to high heaven but always have this same sort of reaction when you are confronted by easily found critiques given to this lack of a complete system. Notice I never said anything bad with this body itself but yet you vomit all this nonsense. My cover blown? LOL! You are watching too much Netflix or you are just, again, making all this into another of your absurd dramas. Aint you a bit old for this?

So, having a more objective opinion makes me, and lot of other people, trolls? You critique and piss all over other camera systems but yet FAIL to provide any link to your work so we can actually see YOU taking advantage of all these nice features! You know why?....not even Sony can help you. There is no setting in them to better mediocrity.

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Jun 24, 2017 17:40:09   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
Marionsho wrote:
Should I be, or will other brands do this too?

A9 tracking a basketball!

https://www.dpreview.com/articles/redirect/3747734003


Try this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPeeFk-Hc1E

and this one too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX1sfy__7A4&t=1036s

For low light performance, go to the 19:37 mark of the video.

VERY impressive.

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Jun 24, 2017 17:41:39   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
chaman wrote:
Of course. Whatever you say. Any links of your awesome work on these highly advanced cameras? YOUR work, not anyone else. You love to start threads praising Sony to high heaven but always have this same sort of reaction when you are confronted by easily found critiques given to this lack of a complete system. Notice I never said anything bad with this body itself but yet you vomit all this nonsense. My cover blown? LOL! You are watching too much Netflix or you are just, again, making all this into another of your absurd dramas. Aint you a bit old for this?

So, having a more objective opinion makes me, and lot of other people, trolls? You critique and piss all over other camera systems but yet FAIL to provide any link to your work so we can actually see YOU taking advantage of all these nice features! You know why?....not even Sony can help you. There is no setting in them to better mediocrity.
Of course. Whatever you say. Any links of your awe... (show quote)


^^^Troll.

And an immature, childish jerk too.

Have a nice day.

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Jun 24, 2017 17:44:58   #
chaman
 
CHOLLY wrote:
As peek pointed out, there wasn't an overheating problem so much as an overheating warning indicator problem. VERY few people actually reported that their cameras overheated and shut down.

Sony sent out firmware updates to correct the problem, one would assume, by raising the temperature level needed to turn on that warning.

It should ALSO be noted that those FEW YouTubers who actually GOT their cameras to overheat and shut down either used the wrong memory card as mentioned above... or DELIBERATELY tried to get the camera to overheat by placing it in the hot sun without shade for extended periods of time... something NO working camera would actually experience as the cameramans body would shade it periodically.

As also stated above, it was trolls who spread the FALSE narrative that this camera has a problem with overheating and a simple search of available videos will literally show dozens of users who could NOT get the camera warning to come on, much less get the camera to shut down due to overheating.
As peek pointed out, there wasn't an overheating p... (show quote)


Jesus.....do you even think before typing all that nonsense? See that folks? That is a fanboy at work! Different opinions=trolls. Actual things happened? Nope, they deliberately tried to make such thing happen! Again....they are almost perfect. Lets see your perfect body of work as a product of such technological advancements! My guess is I will never see any of these advancements in action because although these are truly existent, you lack any real understanding on them! And quite probably for the level of your "photography" they are not even needed! But you need to put down DLSRs to make you feel "knowledgeable". You are just a pathetic fanboy.

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Jun 24, 2017 17:47:16   #
chaman
 
CHOLLY wrote:
^^^Troll.

And an immature, childish jerk too.

Have a nice day.


.....your work? Oh, I see. Nothing to see, right? Well...

How does it feel to discover a new internet term like "troll" at your age? Apparently is invigorating! Enjoy it! You seem to use it in more than 90% percent of the sewage you like to call "posts".

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Jun 25, 2017 06:33:59   #
Peekayoh Loc: UK
 
It's probably not my place to muscle in on this exchange but ....
chaman wrote:
Nope. You are just bringing on the same usual "facts" brought by the usual fanboys. What I said is what is generally has been agreed upon by a lot of people about Sony.
I'm not sure what you mean by "generally agreed" or what constitutes a "lot of people but I'm guessing you refer to a lack of lenses which is the one usually trotted out. With regard to the A-Mount, this really doesn't compute because there's a pretty complete range when you include the Minolta and third party lenses. You can argue that the tracking system of the A-Mount is not as good as that found in CaNikon cameras; I can't disagree with that, however I know the a99ii is not so very far behind and it has other big advantages like the WYSIWYG EVF combined with things such as Eye Tracking, Focus Magnify, range limiting which make it a far more usable camera IMO. If I were exclusively a Sports/Wildlife Professional, then I might possibly be tempted to go for Nikon but that would be an expensive change. In any case, the 42 Mpix of the a99ii coupled with the Sony 500/4 is a killer combination that would be hard to beat so, maybe not.

BTW, when it comes to lenses for E-mount, Sony is doing a pretty good job considering the system is so new. It's also worth pointing out that Sony is designing for 50 lpm and if you look at DXO lens tests, Sony have three in the top ten, CaNikon have none. The latest Sony G Masters have not yet been tested.

chaman wrote:
The issue of the various mounts is recognized! Sony has created some adapters for it but its not the same as having native lenses.
What issues are you talking about?? As Cholly has already pointed out there are only two mounts "A" and "E". Yes, as a convenience Sony provide adapters to enable A-mount lenses to be used on E-mount and what's wrong with that? It's pretty useful for those of us with a bunch of A-Mount lenses dating back as far as 1986 and to have them stabilised as well. It's also a fact that there are third party adapters which enable the use of practically any lens ever made on E-mount; again, what's not to like??

chaman wrote:
Take Canon for example. Crop and full frame cameras share a lot of their lenses without the need of clunky adapters. In fact every full frame lens can be used on their crop models.....all of them. Thats a system for you.
Same for Sony. Every A-mount lens whether crop(DT) or FF fits any A-mount camera whether crop or FF. Every E-mount lens whether crop(E) or FF(FE) fits any E-mount camera whether crop or FF.

An adapter is only necessary if I want to use an A-mount lens on the E-mount in just the same way as the Canon mirrorless camera needs an adapter to use EF lenses. You really need to get your facts right if you want to continue your career as Troll and Fanboy.

chaman wrote:
Sony has failed to produce a reliable camera system but of course you will never understand that due to your pathological bias. Excellent customer service?? LOL Thats not what you find when looking at their reviews.
This is a load of rhetoric without fact. The Sony systems (plural) have been eminently reliable in my experience as has the customer service. There again, being in the UK, service is provided direct by Sony whereas in the US it's handled by American companies which is clearly less than optimal. You can find instances of poor customer service with any of the camera companies if you'd care to look.

chaman wrote:
I said it was a nice body but of course for absurd fanboys like you thats never enough. With your absurd fanboy attitude you belittle yourself.Oh and what I said about users here that love to exaggerate? You have just confirmed it. Thank you. You are one of those that could never take a decent image no matter what gear they use and just felt called for. If the shoe fits......it did with you, right?
Ah yes, insults. The last resort of the insecure with a crumbling position. I can't help feeling I really should know better than get involved in this no doubt pointless exercise. GBS said it best "Never wrestle with pigs, you get dirty and the pig likes it".

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Jun 25, 2017 10:06:09   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
Peekayoh wrote:
It's probably not my place to muscle in on this exchange but ....
Ah yes, insults. The last resort of the insecure with a crumbling position. I can't help feeling I really should know better than get involved in this no doubt pointless exercise. GBS said it best "Never wrestle with pigs, you get dirty and the pig likes it".


I'm impressed.

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Jun 25, 2017 10:36:16   #
chaman
 
Peekayoh wrote:
It's probably not my place to muscle in on this exchange but ....
Ah yes, insults. The last resort of the insecure with a crumbling position. I can't help feeling I really should know better than get involved in this no doubt pointless exercise. GBS said it best "Never wrestle with pigs, you get dirty and the pig likes it".


A better versed fanboy. DXO? You bring DXO to this discussion? LOL! Oh, well any "fact" is better than none. The issues of a complete reliable system, still lack of glass (although improving) and a SAD EXCUSE for customer service are widely recognized by a lot, a lot of objective people of course, not by fanboys. You only want to talk and praise the gear of your choice. God forbids anyone has some critique to share, they must be haters or trolls. I even recognized the body is a great one but, I know, I needed to say it was perfect.

Oh what I said are not insults. They are in fact a sad reality in this place. I hope you don't fall into that category, although who knows.

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Jun 25, 2017 10:37:55   #
chaman
 
Marionsho wrote:
I'm impressed.


You get impressed easily.

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Jun 25, 2017 10:43:00   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
chaman wrote:
You get impressed easily.



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Jun 25, 2017 18:24:24   #
chaman
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TSCjUlQsjE

Yep. Not there yet. Native glass is desperately needed.

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Jun 25, 2017 20:57:25   #
CHOLLY Loc: THE FLORIDA PANHANDLE!
 
As stated earlier, the FULL range of SONY/Konica Minolta/Minolta A mount lenses are available for use on E mount cameras using either the LA-EA3 or LA-EA4 adapters. Sony released a firmware update for it's LA-EA3 adapter last month to give full and COMPLETE functionality to the A9 with adapted lenses including the 70-400mm f/4.5 GI/II, the 300mm GI/II f/2.8, and the 500mm GI/II f/4. Additionally with the LA-EA4, the 200mm f/2.8, 400mm f/4, and 600mm f/4 Minolta High Speed APO lenses may also be used with the A9.

http://briansmith.com/sony-a-mount-lens-sony-a7rii-guide/
http://briansmith.com/firmware-update-sony-la-ea3-lenses/

Additionally, Sony will be releasing an FE mount 400mm f/4 GM lens either next month or August, and a 500mm f/4 is in the works.

Throw in adapted glass and all focal lengths are covered.

Don't forget the previous listing of E mount Sony, Sony G, Sony GM, Sony Zeiss, and Zeiss lenses covering every focal length up to 400mm at multiple price and quality points.

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Jun 25, 2017 21:03:27   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
JPL wrote:
Yes, it is ok to be impressed. For the price it is the best camera available on the market. Even when comparing much more expensive cameras it is still in many ways the best available camera on the market today. Only future cameras will be better.

Perhaps. But specs aren't everything. Let's see how it holds up under real world shooting for a couple of months, and whether pros start to adopt it before we pronounce that it's "the best camera available". I'm not saying it won't deserve that title, but at this point its a bit early to commit to that level of superlatives. I'm hoping it will be that good since it will raise the bar for everyone else.

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Jun 25, 2017 21:23:58   #
chaman
 
CHOLLY wrote:
As stated earlier, the FULL range of SONY/Konica Minolta/Minolta A mount lenses are available for use on E mount cameras using either the LA-EA3 or LA-EA4 adapters. Sony released a firmware update for it's LA-EA3 adapter last month to give full and COMPLETE functionality to the A9 with adapted lenses including the 70-400mm f/4.5 GI/II, the 300mm GI/II f/2.8, and the 500mm GI/II f/4. Additionally with the LA-EA4, the 200mm f/2.8, 400mm f/4, and 600mm f/4 Minolta High Speed APO lenses may also be used with the A9.

http://briansmith.com/sony-a-mount-lens-sony-a7rii-guide/
http://briansmith.com/firmware-update-sony-la-ea3-lenses/

Additionally, Sony will be releasing an FE mount 400mm f/4 GM lens either next month or August, and a 500mm f/4 is in the works.

Throw in adapted glass and all focal lengths are covered.

Don't forget the previous listing of E mount Sony, Sony G, Sony GM, Sony Zeiss, and Zeiss lenses covering every focal length up to 400mm at multiple price and quality points.
As stated earlier, the FULL range of SONY/Konica M... (show quote)


No. Not all focal lengths are covered. When the system has NATIVE glass with the FULL functions covered then and ONLY then you can say that. Saying it now is incorrect. Also when and if they are available they need to be as sharp optically as what Canon and Nikon has. So its still sometime to know if Sony has REALLY this issue covered. That's why saying the system runs circles around the current PRO level DSLRs is incorrect, exaggerated and imprecise. Once you get that trough your fanboy head you could have some credibility. The issues with Sony are there. I know the issues my preferred system of choice, Canon, has. Why you cannot accept the ones currently Sony have is beyond me. Of course, trying to understand people like you is a futile exercise anyway. Now, you can happily go and call me "troll" or your current internet slang of choice, but the facts are there.

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