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Apr 22, 2017 06:25:33   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Thanks to all! When I get a reply from Nikon I'll post it for giggles! Dave

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Apr 22, 2017 06:40:32   #
JasonC Loc: Houston, Texas
 
Perhaps memory card formatting is overrated. I've snatched the memory card out of my Canon 6D and stuffed into my wife's Canon Powershot with nary a problem.

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Apr 22, 2017 06:46:32   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
JasonC wrote:
Perhaps memory card formatting is overrated. I've snatched the memory card out of my Canon 6D and stuffed into my wife's Canon Powershot with nary a problem.


It is a housekeeping function that should be periodically performed and there are valid reasons for not only doing it,but doing it in camera. I believe that file formats may vary from brand to brand and I wanted to make sure that camera to camera within a brand would be okay.

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Apr 22, 2017 06:46:33   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
JasonC wrote:
Perhaps memory card formatting is overrated. I've snatched the memory card out of my Canon 6D and stuffed into my wife's Canon Powershot with nary a problem.


Good for you. My 7D and 10D will not function with a card formatted in the other.

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Apr 22, 2017 07:00:43   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Jim Bob wrote:
That's because there isn't one. For what it's worth (and that ain't much) I always use the card formatted in that camera. Get a cheap card and experiment. What do you have to lose?



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Apr 22, 2017 07:03:20   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
DaveO wrote:
Is it advisable to format a card in a particular model for use in that model or is formatting a card in one model okay to use in any model of the same brand? I heard both methods and can't find a definitive answer. We have a D3100,D7100,D810 and D500.


Camera manufacturers tell you to format the card in the camera before the first use. That's all they say about it. I bet you don't even have to do that. I reformat the card what it has a lot of old images, and I'm shooting something new. It's the fastest way to clear the card.

I have used the same card in different models and brands of cameras with no problems. Each camera makes its own folder on the card.

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Apr 22, 2017 07:09:55   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I always format my cards for the camera they are being used in. That way I know they will work unless the card itself has failed (Which hasn't happened to me ever so far).
It takes a few seconds and is worth the peace of mind.

That is a viable method and certainly will not cause you any problems.

The fact is that the format required for all of the OP's cameras is exactly the same. Off hand I am unaware of any DSLR made in the last several years that uses a different format. Hence a card formatted in any one of his cameras will function perfectly in all of the others. Any card with more than 2 Gb of capacity must be formatted as FAT32 or exFAT.


There is a difference between what each of those cameras do, but it is not formatting.

Any of those cameras will immediately look for the unique directory structure used by that camera. The structure of the directory tree is specified by a JEITA Specification. Hence all cameras will first look for a top level directory named "/DCIM/", and if not found it will be created. (Though not part of formatting a card, when a card is formatted that is what happens in the next instant. Hence a card formatted in a PC or a different camera will work the same as one formatted in the specific camera.) Once that directory is found the camera will look for, and create if it is not found, the camera's internally determined current default directory for writing images. The format for this set of subdirectories starts with a three digit serial number with a range from 100 to 999, followed by an up to 5 character identifier. A Nikon D810 might start with 100ND810 as an example, and would thus avoid conflict with any other model from any manufacturer.

Each directory can hold up to 9,999 distinct image file names.

In fact the DCIM Standard works extremely well. I've used multiple cards in multiple cameras for years with never a hint of trouble, and many others here on UHH and elsewhere have said the same thing.

Realizing what can be safely done is sometimes useful.

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Apr 22, 2017 07:21:15   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Apaflo wrote:
That is a viable method and certainly will not cause you any problems.

The fact is that the format required for all of the OP's cameras is exactly the same. Off hand I am unaware of any DSLR made in the last several years that uses a different format. Hence a card formatted in any one of his cameras will function perfectly in all of the others. Any card with more than 2 Gb of capacity must be formatted as FAT32 or exFAT.


There is a difference between what each of those cameras do, but it is not formatting.

Any of those cameras will immediately look for the unique directory structure used by that camera. The structure of the directory tree is specified by a JEITA Specification. Hence all cameras will first look for a top level directory named "/DCIM/", and if not found it will be created. (Though not part of formatting a card, when a card is formatted that is what happens in the next instant. Hence a card formatted in a PC or a different camera will work the same as one formatted in the specific camera.) Once that directory is found the camera will look for, and create if it is not found, the camera's internally determined current default directory for writing images. The format for this set of subdirectories starts with a three digit serial number with a range from 100 to 999, followed by an up to 5 character identifier. A Nikon D810 might start with 100ND810 as an example, and would thus avoid conflict with any other model from any manufacturer.

Each directory can hold up to 9,999 distinct image file names.

In fact the DCIM Standard works extremely well. I've used multiple cards in multiple cameras for years with never a hint of trouble, and many others here on UHH and elsewhere have said the same thing.

Realizing what can be safely done is sometimes useful.
That is a viable method and certainly will not cau... (show quote)


Thanks again! Works for me!

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Apr 22, 2017 07:37:34   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
DaveO wrote:
The three cameras we'll take on our trip all use the same battery and I'd like to have a few cards formatted and just be able to grab one and stuff it in any camera without being concerned with which camera needs it. I like convenience and quick interchangeabilty,particularly being on the go several hours a day.


It takes all of 3 seconds to format a card? Seems like much ado about nothing as far as time is concerned changing cards and you never have to worry.

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Apr 22, 2017 07:45:09   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
pithydoug wrote:
It takes all of 3 seconds to format a card? Seems like much ado about nothing as far as time is concerned changing cards and you never have to worry.

Wonderful... unless that is the only card available but has just been pull from tha backup camera and has 300 unsaved images on it. Format it? Why? All that does is lose 300 images. The three seconds is a waste.

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Apr 22, 2017 07:51:08   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
pithydoug wrote:
It takes all of 3 seconds to format a card? Seems like much ado about nothing as far as time is concerned changing cards and you never have to worry.


At 1/250, you could take twelve pictures in that time!

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Apr 22, 2017 07:51:25   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
DaveO wrote:
Is it advisable to format a card in a particular model for use in that model or is formatting a card in one model okay to use in any model of the same brand? I heard both methods and can't find a definitive answer. We have a D3100,D7100,D810 and D500.


Typically, I format each card for each camera. However, I have used the same SD card in a D7100 and in a D610 and it works fine. I don't recommend it for anything but an emergency or anything but it does work. Each camera created a subdirectory with that cameras model and then the photos in that directory. Lightroom saw both directories and imported the images correctly.
Generally, I have cards for each camera and I format in the camera after I use a card reader connected to my computer to import them with Lightroom.
My practice is this:
1. Format card in camera and verify that it is empty. (both the D7100 and the D610 take 2 cards and it is unlikely that I will fill both on an outing).
2. Take photos.
3. Remove card from camera and import photos into computer using external card reader.
4. Verify that images are imported correctly into Lightroom.
5. Backup SD card to external drive.
6. Remove card from second slot in camera and put it in slot1.
7. Insert the card with photos to slot 2 in camera.
8. Format both cards in camera.
This insures that the cards are rotated so that each gets used. (This way I don't get into the field and suddenly find that one of my cards is bad. I am currently using 128 GB cards in the cameras and have a collection of 64gb and 32gb cards (all Lexar or Sandisk and fast cards). I keep 2 cards in each camera and carry spares in the camera bag. I verify my spares at least once a month or prior to a trip or shoot.
I've only had 5 card failures. I had a Lexar card and a Sandisk card fail and the respective companies sent me new cards to replace the defective after I called for an RMA. The new cards were upgrades (faster) than the ones I sent in. The Lexar are all Platinum and the Sandisk are Extreme Pro cards.
I save my older and smaller cards and use them as I do external usb drives to transfer data between computers (that aren't on my network), to install firmware updates on cameras and etc.

Sandisk and Lexar are the only 2 brands that I use. I've tried other brands and they were not as reliable and their warranty repair/replacement was either bad or nonexistent.

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Apr 22, 2017 07:56:21   #
Dlwalsh
 
without getting to technical
Formatting your memory card rejuvenates the memory cells (in the card for picture storage) back to the mfg.'s original settings. Formatting a card in your camera allows the camera to set up the card for picture storage and most efficient use of the memory card.

So to ensure your memory card can be used most efficiently format is will the camera you want to use it with. When you format it all data on the camera will be lost.

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Apr 22, 2017 08:02:14   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
DaveO wrote:
Is it advisable to format a card in a particular model for use in that model or is formatting a card in one model okay to use in any model of the same brand? I heard both methods and can't find a definitive answer. We have a D3100,D7100,D810 and D500.


I use the same cards in different Nikon cameras and before I use the card in a particular camera I format the card in that camera. The reason is that the each camera has a different computer system

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Apr 22, 2017 08:05:31   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Dlwalsh wrote:
without getting to technical
Formatting your memory card rejuvenates the memory cells (in the card for picture storage) back to the mfg.'s original settings. Formatting a card in your camera allows the camera to set up the card for picture storage and most efficient use of the memory card.

So to ensure your memory card can be used most efficiently format is will the camera you want to use it with. When you format it all data on the camera will be lost.

Believe all that if you like, because it won't hurt you. But if you do get technical... everything you stated is false. Not just most of it, every part of is false.

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