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Jan 21, 2017 08:35:41   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Thom Hogan tells you how to save money on a tripod. Buy a good one first.

http://www.bythom.com/support.htm

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Jan 21, 2017 08:37:48   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
Gene51 wrote:


Many try to solve an inadequate tripod problem with totally inadequate solutions, some of which are dangerous as you have represented. Also, I have not read of many people who have spent $1000 or more on a tripod complaining they spent too much. I do hear a lot of people complaining about spending $100 and getting blurry pictures, and wondering if the $200 model will help. Then they go out and through good money after bad buying stuf like rock-hammocks.

The majority of camera vibration that will damage sharpness in an image comes from the camera itself, primarily in the form of shutter shock - which are high frequency low amplitude vibrations that no rock will help - regardless of where it is hung from. It's funny that the manufacturer of inadequate (for long lens and macro use) tripods sells a gimmick to induce those who bought their tripods, and found them to be inadequate, to spend even more money on their goods.

The only way to stabilize a camera with shutter shock vibrations is to have a solid head and a tripod with a large base plate and thick legs. In the case of long lenses, it also helps to use your body to further stabilize things - draping your arm over the lens, and gently pressing your face against the back of the camera as you roll your finger across the shutter release at the end of an exhale - if possible - sometimes you just have to take the shot. Forget about delayed release, mirror lockup, timers, and remote release - they may help in some cases, but they are not a great solution when you are shooting things that move fast. The rock thing is great if you have a heavy "sail" of a camera, like a view camera, that might be toppled in the wind, but only if your tripod is otherwise stable enough. Besides, view cameras have leaf shutters that really don't add vibration, so it is not an issue.

Anyway, I am assuming that Kuzano has never shot a DSLR with an "adequate" tripod, or with long lenses or macro at close to 1:1 or greater magnification. His story might be different if he had. And yes, RRS and Gitzo have made names for themselves for making the best tripods for field use on the planet. I've used them, and a whole bunch of others, and can speak from experience.
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Many may think I'm nuts using one of my 2 Gitzo tripods (each over a grand) with either a RRS BH55 & BH40...which carry at times a camera and lens costing close to ten grand, there is no way I would trust anything less.

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Jan 21, 2017 08:41:45   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
OnDSnap wrote:
Many may think I'm nuts using one of my 2 Gitzo tripods (each over a grand) with either a RRS BH55 & BH40...which carry at times a camera and lens costing close to ten grand, there is no way I would trust anything less.



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Jan 21, 2017 09:22:37   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Kuzano wrote:
I see people complaining about how much they paid for adequate capacity for their gear on the tripod.

Isn't there a BFRock somewhere near where you are shooting?

Why not learn what I learned from NewYorkInstituteofPhotography in the seventies. Don't carry your stabilizing weight all the way to your photo site. God planted rocks there for you. Sew one of these up.

Tell RRS and some of the others to "Go Stuff It"!!!


I don't pay a fortune for my tripods, I buy used metal Gitzo Tripods and Heads. But if you do weight your tripod down for stability, hang the weight from the center somehow. A bag and a rock with rope or cord could be used.

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Jan 21, 2017 09:23:44   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
OnDSnap wrote:
Many may think I'm nuts using one of my 2 Gitzo tripods (each over a grand) with either a RRS BH55 & BH40...which carry at times a camera and lens costing close to ten grand, there is no way I would trust anything less.




Love Gitzo!


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Jan 21, 2017 09:41:28   #
Capn_Dave
 
Kuzano wrote:
I see people complaining about how much they paid for adequate capacity for their gear on the tripod.

Isn't there a BFRock somewhere near where you are shooting?

Why not learn what I learned from NewYorkInstituteofPhotography in the seventies. Don't carry your stabilizing weight all the way to your photo site. God planted rocks there for you. Sew one of these up.

Tell RRS and some of the others to "Go Stuff It"!!!


In Florida there are no BFR's There are no SFR's only sand lots of sand

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Jan 21, 2017 09:48:03   #
TucsonDave Loc: Tucson, Arizona
 
However, there are BF Beetles or BF June Bugs of BF Palmetto Bugs

Capn_Dave wrote:
In Florida there are no BFR's There are no SFR's only sand lots of sand

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Jan 21, 2017 10:44:03   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
OnDSnap , I agree, get the best you can afford! I would love to own RRS or Gitzo. Maybe in a couple of years.

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Jan 21, 2017 10:45:48   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Kuzano wrote:
I see people complaining about how much they paid for adequate capacity for their gear on the tripod.

Isn't there a BFRock somewhere near where you are shooting?

Why not learn what I learned from NewYorkInstituteofPhotography in the seventies. Don't carry your stabilizing weight all the way to your photo site. God planted rocks there for you. Sew one of these up.

Tell RRS and some of the others to "Go Stuff It"!!!


Your shot looks like a good way to break a leg or at least bend it. What have you got against a good tripod? After I have spent all that money on a pro body, long lenses, motels and gas money to get there why in the world would I scrimp on the most important piece of gear? Yes I do use RRS gear and I still have two metal tripods from the 70's and for that time very expensive. I shot RB67's and Hasselblads in the day and had no problems with shutter shock due to the design. I now shoot canon gear and also do micro adjustments. On one of the tripods from the 70's I place my Lens Align target and use a CF RRS tripod for the camera and a 600mmf/4.0 at the other end. I also did some testing with the camera set-up on the other 70's tripod and I was surprised at the time lag prior to the image settling down looking through the view finder after a shot and yes IS was turned off as per instructions . My RRS tripod does come with a hook but it is located right under the head where it should be to distribute the weight evenly to all three legs. I know that the Rangers in Yellowstone do frown on you moving their rocks. I'm not in the habit of telling others to "Go Stuff IT".

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Jan 21, 2017 10:47:34   #
wapiti Loc: round rock, texas
 
Gene51 wrote:


Many try to solve an inadequate tripod problem with totally inadequate solutions, some of which are dangerous as you have represented. Also, I have not read of many people who have spent $1000 or more on a tripod complaining they spent too much. I do hear a lot of people complaining about spending $100 and getting blurry pictures, and wondering if the $200 model will help. Then they go out and through good money after bad buying stuf like rock-hammocks.

The majority of camera vibration that will damage sharpness in an image comes from the camera itself, primarily in the form of shutter shock - which are high frequency low amplitude vibrations that no rock will help - regardless of where it is hung from. It's funny that the manufacturer of inadequate (for long lens and macro use) tripods sells a gimmick to induce those who bought their tripods, and found them to be inadequate, to spend even more money on their goods.

The only way to stabilize a camera with shutter shock vibrations is to have a solid head and a tripod with a large base plate and thick legs. In the case of long lenses, it also helps to use your body to further stabilize things - draping your arm over the lens, and gently pressing your face against the back of the camera as you roll your finger across the shutter release at the end of an exhale - if possible - sometimes you just have to take the shot. Forget about delayed release, mirror lockup, timers, and remote release - they may help in some cases, but they are not a great solution when you are shooting things that move fast. The rock thing is great if you have a heavy "sail" of a camera, like a view camera, that might be toppled in the wind, but only if your tripod is otherwise stable enough. Besides, view cameras have leaf shutters that really don't add vibration, so it is not an issue.

Anyway, I am assuming that Kuzano has never shot a DSLR with an "adequate" tripod, or with long lenses or macro at close to 1:1 or greater magnification. His story might be different if he had. And yes, RRS and Gitzo have made names for themselves for making the best tripods for field use on the planet. I've used them, and a whole bunch of others, and can speak from experience.
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Jan 21, 2017 10:48:36   #
wapiti Loc: round rock, texas
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Thom Hogan tells you how to save money on a tripod. Buy a good one first.

http://www.bythom.com/support.htm



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Jan 21, 2017 11:15:52   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
Kuzano wrote:
I see people complaining about how much they paid for adequate capacity for their gear on the tripod.

Isn't there a BFRock somewhere near where you are shooting?

Why not learn what I learned from NewYorkInstituteofPhotography in the seventies. Don't carry your stabilizing weight all the way to your photo site. God planted rocks there for you. Sew one of these up.

Tell RRS and some of the others to "Go Stuff It"!!!


First it sounds like you have a lot of anger. You are basically telling everyone they are baboons.

Get a life. What difference is it to you how much anyone paid for any of their gear unless they ask you for your opinion, and I don't see where anyone asked for your opinion on this matter.

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Jan 21, 2017 11:37:01   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
Gene51 wrote:


Many try to solve an inadequate tripod problem with totally inadequate solutions, some of which are dangerous as you have represented. Also, I have not read of many people who have spent $1000 or more on a tripod complaining they spent too much. I do hear a lot of people complaining about spending $100 and getting blurry pictures, and wondering if the $200 model will help. Then they go out and through good money after bad buying stuf like rock-hammocks.

The majority of camera vibration that will damage sharpness in an image comes from the camera itself, primarily in the form of shutter shock - which are high frequency low amplitude vibrations that no rock will help - regardless of where it is hung from. It's funny that the manufacturer of inadequate (for long lens and macro use) tripods sells a gimmick to induce those who bought their tripods, and found them to be inadequate, to spend even more money on their goods.

The only way to stabilize a camera with shutter shock vibrations is to have a solid head and a tripod with a large base plate and thick legs. In the case of long lenses, it also helps to use your body to further stabilize things - draping your arm over the lens, and gently pressing your face against the back of the camera as you roll your finger across the shutter release at the end of an exhale - if possible - sometimes you just have to take the shot. Forget about delayed release, mirror lockup, timers, and remote release - they may help in some cases, but they are not a great solution when you are shooting things that move fast. The rock thing is great if you have a heavy "sail" of a camera, like a view camera, that might be toppled in the wind, but only if your tripod is otherwise stable enough. Besides, view cameras have leaf shutters that really don't add vibration, so it is not an issue.

Anyway, I am assuming that Kuzano has never shot a DSLR with an "adequate" tripod, or with long lenses or macro at close to 1:1 or greater magnification. His story might be different if he had. And yes, RRS and Gitzo have made names for themselves for making the best tripods for field use on the planet. I've used them, and a whole bunch of others, and can speak from experience.
img src="https://static.uglyhedgehog.com/images/s... (show quote)



Very well put. I will stick with my well made tripod as well. There are many habitats that don't provide rocks for me. Also moving from one location to another would be greatly handicapped if I had to find rocks for my tripod to do what it is suppose to do while shooting wildlife.

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Jan 21, 2017 11:51:12   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Kuzano wrote:
I see people complaining about how much they paid for adequate capacity for their gear on the tripod.

Isn't there a BFRock somewhere near where you are shooting?

Why not learn what I learned from NewYorkInstituteofPhotography in the seventies. Don't carry your stabilizing weight all the way to your photo site. God planted rocks there for you. Sew one of these up.

Tell RRS and some of the others to "Go Stuff It"!!!


This reminds me of the folk-tale were the prince left the castle with a heavy bag of gold and returned a year later carrying a heavy stone!?
This is a GREAT way to keep the tripod from blowing away in the wind, but are you trying to steady the TRIPOD or are you trying to steady the CAMERA?
All of the movement is going to be between the top of the tripod and the camera and this will do little to stabilize that area!!!
And NO, there aren't rocks everywhere, so use your backpack hung from the supplied hook on the tripod or better yet, hang it from the camera strap, it's better vibration/movement control.
Forget the cost of that rock thingy!!!
SS

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Jan 21, 2017 11:56:34   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Bozsik wrote:
Very well put. I will stick with my well made tripod as well. There are many habitats that don't provide rocks for me. Also moving from one location to another would be greatly handicapped if I had to find rocks for my tripod to do what it is suppose to do while shooting wildlife.



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