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May 20, 2012 11:22:46   #
twowindsbear
 
You're using f40 (forty) or f4.0 (four point zero)? What lens has an f40 setting?

Just curious

Thanks

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May 20, 2012 11:44:33   #
Indi Loc: L. I., NY, Palm Beach Cty when it's cold.
 
twowindsbear wrote:
You're using f40 (forty) or f4.0 (four point zero)? What lens has an f40 setting?

Just curious

Thanks


It's in the camera. I took some pictures the other day for MWAC's lesson using my 50mm, f/1.8 but I was able to set my aperture to f/16 in-camera. I believe my camera can go down to f/32.
So, as you point out, it might be a typo, or they have a really expensive camera.

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May 20, 2012 12:14:59   #
Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida
 
Indi wrote:
So you were submitting it as part of the assignment?


In a way...yes............

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May 20, 2012 12:17:00   #
Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida
 
greymule wrote:
Archy wrote:
Taken at F-40...SS-1/8...ISO-400...focal length 180 on AV setting using a tripod…can anyone tell me what is causing the blur………….


At high f-stops, there is a phenomenon called circles of confusion.

Here's an explanation:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/bokeh.shtml


Thank you............

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May 20, 2012 12:22:50   #
Indi Loc: L. I., NY, Palm Beach Cty when it's cold.
 
greymule wrote:
Archy wrote:
Taken at F-40...SS-1/8...ISO-400...focal length 180 on AV setting using a tripod…can anyone tell me what is causing the blur………….


At high f-stops, there is a phenomenon called circles of confusion.

Here's an explanation:

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/bokeh.shtml


Thanks for that info. It explains a lot.

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May 20, 2012 12:25:04   #
Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida
 
Indi wrote:
twowindsbear wrote:
You're using f40 (forty) or f4.0 (four point zero)? What lens has an f40 setting?

Just curious

Thanks


It's in the camera. I took some pictures the other day for MWAC's lesson using my 50mm, f/1.8 but I was able to set my aperture to f/16 in-camera. I believe my camera can go down to f/32.
So, as you point out, it might be a typo, or they have a really expensive camera.


In AV mode my Pentax Kx can attain f-40...but the lens only goes to f-32...perhaps the camera and lens are fighting one another at f-40...go figure..........

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May 20, 2012 12:39:32   #
Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida
 
twowindsbear wrote:
You're using f40 (forty) or f4.0 (four point zero)? What lens has an f40 setting?

Just curious

Thanks


The camera set in AV mode can get to f-40...but the lens only goes to f-32...perhaps that is the problem...with the camera set in AV mode and the camera set at f-32 there is no problem with blur........

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May 20, 2012 12:57:41   #
CAM1017 Loc: Chiloquin, Oregon
 
Archy wrote:
Taken at F-40...SS-1/8...ISO-400...focal length 180 on AV setting using a tripod…can anyone tell me what is causing the blur………….


If you really took it at f-40 (Don't think most lens close down to this) & SS 1/8 I would open the lens up to around F-11 to get a much faster shutter speed. This might reduce possible movement. This assumes you are within the focus range of your len.

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May 20, 2012 14:24:00   #
Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida
 
CAM1017 wrote:
Archy wrote:
Taken at F-40...SS-1/8...ISO-400...focal length 180 on AV setting using a tripod…can anyone tell me what is causing the blur………….


If you really took it at f-40 (Don't think most lens close down to this) & SS 1/8 I would open the lens up to around F-11 to get a much faster shutter speed. This might reduce possible movement. This assumes you are within the focus range of your len.


I think I have it figured out with all the help of y’all on UHH…I was trying to force my lens to do something it can’t do…Thank y'all again……….

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May 20, 2012 15:39:04   #
twowindsbear
 
Archy wrote:
CAM1017 wrote:
Archy wrote:
Taken at F-40...SS-1/8...ISO-400...focal length 180 on AV setting using a tripod…can anyone tell me what is causing the blur………….


If you really took it at f-40 (Don't think most lens close down to this) & SS 1/8 I would open the lens up to around F-11 to get a much faster shutter speed. This might reduce possible movement. This assumes you are within the focus range of your len.


I think I have it figured out with all the help of y’all on UHH…I was trying to force my lens to do something it can’t do…Thank y'all again……….
quote=CAM1017 quote=Archy Taken at F-40...SS-1/8... (show quote)


What was your conclusion? What do you plan to change when you make that shot again?

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May 20, 2012 16:25:27   #
Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida
 
twowindsbear wrote:
Archy wrote:
CAM1017 wrote:
Archy wrote:
Taken at F-40...SS-1/8...ISO-400...focal length 180 on AV setting using a tripod…can anyone tell me what is causing the blur………….


If you really took it at f-40 (Don't think most lens close down to this) & SS 1/8 I would open the lens up to around F-11 to get a much faster shutter speed. This might reduce possible movement. This assumes you are within the focus range of your len.


I think I have it figured out with all the help of y’all on UHH…I was trying to force my lens to do something it can’t do…Thank y'all again……….
quote=CAM1017 quote=Archy Taken at F-40...SS-1/8... (show quote)


What was your conclusion? What do you plan to change when you make that shot again?
quote=Archy quote=CAM1017 quote=Archy Taken at ... (show quote)


#1 conclusion…I ain’t as smart as I thought I was…imagine that……
#2 conclusion…my camera on AV mode can reach f-40....
#3 conclusion…the lens can only reach f-32....
#4 conclusion…with the camera in AV mode and on f-32 and the lens being able to handle f-32 every was fine....
Final conclusion…don’t try to make a lens do more than it can deliver and I plan to shoot from f-4 to f-22…no more f-40...………

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May 20, 2012 16:51:26   #
Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida
 
Here are some test shots...same camera Pentax Kx in AV mode set at f-32...same lens Tamron 70-300 lowest f-stop…f-32...second shot is at f-16........

f-32...SS 1/25...ISO 200...focal length 100mm
f-32...SS 1/25...ISO 200...focal length 100mm...

f-16...SS 1/100...ISO 200...focal length 100mm
f-16...SS 1/100...ISO 200...focal length 100mm...

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May 20, 2012 19:05:36   #
CAM1017 Loc: Chiloquin, Oregon
 
Archy wrote:
Here are some test shots...same camera Pentax Kx in AV mode set at f-32...same lens Tamron 70-300 lowest f-stop…f-32...second shot is at f-16........


Good job! The second looks sharper to me. Generally a lens closed all the way down to F32 does not have its best optical properties. Mid range at F16 it would be better. You may be able to check on line with Tamron to see what your lens does at different F setting. These charts may give you a better perspective on where to set your aperture. :thumbup:

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May 20, 2012 23:44:20   #
Archy Loc: Lake Hamilton, Florida
 
CAM1017 wrote:
Archy wrote:
Here are some test shots...same camera Pentax Kx in AV mode set at f-32...same lens Tamron 70-300 lowest f-stop…f-32...second shot is at f-16........


Good job! The second looks sharper to me. Generally a lens closed all the way down to F32 does not have its best optical properties. Mid range at F16 it would be better. You may be able to check on line with Tamron to see what your lens does at different F setting. These charts may give you a better perspective on where to set your aperture. :thumbup:
quote=Archy Here are some test shots...same camer... (show quote)


Yes the second one is a wee bit sharper and thank you for your help :thumbup:...I will check on the Tamron thing............

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May 20, 2012 23:50:56   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
Indi wrote:

Why not try manual, and a lower f-stop to get a bokeh? The image seems like it's a little dark. The lack of sufficient light might be preventing you from getting sharp focus. Probably because your aperture is high @ f-22.
Just some thoughts.


Bokeh is not the same as shallow depth of field.
Bokeh refers to the quality of the out of focus areas, specifically visible in the highlights.

Small apertures can cause someting called diffraction, which reduces the sharpness of the image.

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