Brace Yourself!
Dec 28, 2015 12:11:58 #
jwestman wrote:
This entire thread is just a joke! Please do not take us all that serious.Then why not just ignore them instead of making those of us who aren't as brilliant feel unwelcome. See my earlier comment.
You will find several 'Specialty' sections here on UHH (including Wedding Photography), where serious Q&A happen every day.
You may even find an area of special interest to you: http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/section_list.jsp
Dec 28, 2015 13:11:33 #
Dec 28, 2015 14:54:01 #
ldef
Loc: Chicago
jim32736 wrote:
I am by no means even a novice as far as my knowledge goes. I just enjoy getting out using my camera and trying to improve. which seems to be a very slow process. Made even slower by the fact that anyone with little or no knowledge won't ask a question for the next six months for fear of ridiculed, or made fun of. Just saying.
I'm in the same boat. But I will glean whatever useful tidbits I can because I am trying to improve. Some of the rants are juvenile and I move on, but I must admit that even the most obvious question, however ridiculed, will be followed by responses that are helpful.
Dec 28, 2015 14:56:13 #
Kmgw9v wrote:
Based on my gear, I am a Super Pro.
Given my gear, I am a twice-over retired pro (wannabe).
Dec 28, 2015 15:04:55 #
Relax, we all, at one point, in the past, had our first brand new DSLR , unless..? Why to look down on a people with a dream? I'm pretty sure Ansel Adams was a beginner wen he touch a camera for the first time and at that moment he did NOT know a lot about photography.
Les try to help those who need advice.
Les try to help those who need advice.
Dec 28, 2015 15:06:39 #
Vargnel wrote:
Relax, we all, at one point, in the past, had our first brand new DSLR , unless..? Why to look down on a people with a dream? I'm pretty sure Ansel Adams was a beginner wen he touch a camera for the first time and at that moment he did NOT know a lot about photography.
Let's try to help those who need advice.
Let's try to help those who need advice.
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Dec 28, 2015 16:51:36 #
Does this mean I'm a micro-pro? At least I don't have to affirm it by looking in the mirror...
Dec 28, 2015 17:14:03 #
Although it is true that this post is kind of a "tongue-in-cheek thing, it is, however, a fact that "much truth is said in jest" and many serious and valid remarks have surfaced here, especially that of so-called "STUPID" questions. As far as I am concerned, unless someone is "trolling" for trouble or just acting silly, there are no such things as stupid questions as long as they are sincere, posted in good faith and honest. Even if a question is very basic, rudimentary, or fundamental, it is still valid and answerable on a forum that is open to all manner of photographers with a wide scope of skill and knowledge levels. Anyone with any degree of common sense and observational savvy can see that there are photographers here that are casual family shooters, serious hobbyists, and enthusiasts, aspiring professionals, rookie pros, and full and part-time working professionals. Anyone with a modicum of kindness, consideration, professionalism, courtesy and respect for others should be willing to help, welcome and accommodate all members who seek advice, suggestions and/or help in their photography. Members should not have to apologize for asking a basic question just as they needn't apologize for purchasing a basic book, an AV program or signing up for a course or workshop in basic or entry-level photography! Everyone has to start somewhere and it is far better ti start firm scratch than "run before one can walk" with no basic foundation.
If there is any real "stupidity" around here or on any similar forum, it lies in the folks who rather talk down to, embarrass, discourage, frustrate, demean, insult or otherwise victimize any member who is somehow perceived to be less knowledgeable than themselves, rather than taking the better path of offering support and helpfulness. An atmosphere of this kind of harassment should never be allowed to progress to the point where anyone is reluctant, reticent, or afraid to post any legitimate question in fear of a nasty response or undue criticism. Folks who precipitate and indulge in this kind of nastiness must have something lacking in their personality in that they need to demean others to bolster their own egos. I am trying to be kind and gentlemanly and take a psychological approach or an educated guess rather than just label theses misguided folks as stupid!
Anyone who experiences this kind of discouragement on a steady basis, would be better off seeking advice elsewhere or. perhaps ignoring the so-called trolls and troublemakers may be another remedy in that they might go away if they are not causing hate, discontent, and infighting.
On the positive side; I think some simple and rudimentary questions are good, even for some of the more advanced workers, help-oriented folks and teachers. As for myself, I find that the answers to many questions oftentimes lie in the basics rather than the more complex and sophisticated areas of photographic art and technology. At the same time, more complex questions force me to stay on my toes and research areas that I am not particularly familiar with or have somehow forgotten- that keeps me current! Good questions also give rise to interesting opinions and conversation which are at the foundation of any good and functional forum.
Lastly, what I am going to say now may be contrary to some of the opinions expressed here in this thread. I have a completely differing definition of professionalism. I disagree with the idea that the only or main differential between the amateur and professional is the fact that the so-called pro gets paid for his or her services. For a photographer to actually earn his or her livelihood from photography, the job requires a number of critical skill sets and attitudes in being able to work at their clients' pleasure on a consistent and reliable basis- day in and day out- no excuses, under all kinds of good and bad working conditions and come up with the goods each and every time- on time and on deadline! An inept photographer is a failed photographer in that today's environment of consumer savvy and tough competition; if someone is not prepared to deliver a high quality of workmanship and great service, there are many others, waiting in the wings, to step in and do the job right- better- in the best way! With bad work, poor promotion and management and inferior service, business failure is just a matter of time.
Perhaps there are some amateurs with superior talents, artistry, and technical savvy than some professionals but the demands and possible stresses are quite different in the profession; they are more exacting, more demanding and there is the concept of creativity and performance on demand- not just when one gets the urge or the time to embark on a project. There are some aspects and specializations in professional photography that require high levels of experience, hard study, finite technique, vast areas of technical know-how that most enthusiasts are not really or usually likely to possess. It might be a better idea to delve into what true professionals have to deal with rather than make blanket criticisms pertaining to the so-called pros- the so-called part of this statement contains the operative words here- y'all want to seek out the real and successful professionals to inspire you, not the hacks!
Ed
If there is any real "stupidity" around here or on any similar forum, it lies in the folks who rather talk down to, embarrass, discourage, frustrate, demean, insult or otherwise victimize any member who is somehow perceived to be less knowledgeable than themselves, rather than taking the better path of offering support and helpfulness. An atmosphere of this kind of harassment should never be allowed to progress to the point where anyone is reluctant, reticent, or afraid to post any legitimate question in fear of a nasty response or undue criticism. Folks who precipitate and indulge in this kind of nastiness must have something lacking in their personality in that they need to demean others to bolster their own egos. I am trying to be kind and gentlemanly and take a psychological approach or an educated guess rather than just label theses misguided folks as stupid!
Anyone who experiences this kind of discouragement on a steady basis, would be better off seeking advice elsewhere or. perhaps ignoring the so-called trolls and troublemakers may be another remedy in that they might go away if they are not causing hate, discontent, and infighting.
On the positive side; I think some simple and rudimentary questions are good, even for some of the more advanced workers, help-oriented folks and teachers. As for myself, I find that the answers to many questions oftentimes lie in the basics rather than the more complex and sophisticated areas of photographic art and technology. At the same time, more complex questions force me to stay on my toes and research areas that I am not particularly familiar with or have somehow forgotten- that keeps me current! Good questions also give rise to interesting opinions and conversation which are at the foundation of any good and functional forum.
Lastly, what I am going to say now may be contrary to some of the opinions expressed here in this thread. I have a completely differing definition of professionalism. I disagree with the idea that the only or main differential between the amateur and professional is the fact that the so-called pro gets paid for his or her services. For a photographer to actually earn his or her livelihood from photography, the job requires a number of critical skill sets and attitudes in being able to work at their clients' pleasure on a consistent and reliable basis- day in and day out- no excuses, under all kinds of good and bad working conditions and come up with the goods each and every time- on time and on deadline! An inept photographer is a failed photographer in that today's environment of consumer savvy and tough competition; if someone is not prepared to deliver a high quality of workmanship and great service, there are many others, waiting in the wings, to step in and do the job right- better- in the best way! With bad work, poor promotion and management and inferior service, business failure is just a matter of time.
Perhaps there are some amateurs with superior talents, artistry, and technical savvy than some professionals but the demands and possible stresses are quite different in the profession; they are more exacting, more demanding and there is the concept of creativity and performance on demand- not just when one gets the urge or the time to embark on a project. There are some aspects and specializations in professional photography that require high levels of experience, hard study, finite technique, vast areas of technical know-how that most enthusiasts are not really or usually likely to possess. It might be a better idea to delve into what true professionals have to deal with rather than make blanket criticisms pertaining to the so-called pros- the so-called part of this statement contains the operative words here- y'all want to seek out the real and successful professionals to inspire you, not the hacks!
Ed
Dec 28, 2015 17:19:02 #
I screwed the whole bunch by not buying an expensive camera. I bought a cell phone and then placed an ad in the paper. I will now do weddings and I expect to make the really big bucks. I even read the highlighted part of the manual like on/off. Gotta remember to call Brinks for my money pick up
Dec 28, 2015 18:00:19 #
DT- Good thing it IS a cell-phone camera, that way you can call for help when the equipment "goes south" during a wedding. Most expensive DSLRs don't have phones built into them- but some have GPS features so you can fined the best escape route out of the weddings! :mrgreen: :thumbup:
Dec 28, 2015 18:04:24 #
DTCOP wrote:
I screwed the whole bunch by not buying an expensive camera. I bought a cell phone and then placed an ad in the paper. I will now do weddings and I expect to make the really big bucks. I even read the highlighted part of the manual like on/off. Gotta remember to call Brinks for my money pick up
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Dec 28, 2015 18:09:42 #
Not a problem... the man in Pakistan that sold me the camera said it would never break down. He sounded so sincere I just trusted him and gave him my credit card number. He said the phone is in the mail and not to worry. Can't wait to start making money like I'm also going to do when I get that lottery money I sent him the credit card number for. Life is really easy when you use your head and not fall for those phony Canon and Nikon ads
Dec 28, 2015 18:21:03 #
DTCOP wrote:
Not a problem... the man in Pakistan that sold me the camera said it would never break down. He sounded so sincere I just trusted him and gave him my credit card number. He said the phone is in the mail and not to worry. Can't wait to start making money like I'm also going to do when I get that lottery money I sent him the credit card number for. Life is really easy when you use your head and not fall for those phony Canon and Nikon ads
Gee you sound just like the government there always sending money over there but don't have any money for people in this country that really need it like our veterans....Rich
Dec 28, 2015 18:22:12 #
Its easy to tell the amateurs from the professionals.
the professionals wont be using an Iphone... ( what are u people thinking?)
The professionals have moved up and will be using
an IPAD.
Theres nothing better than trying to shoot the bride as she walks down the Isle and have 30 Ipads stuck out in the isle in front of you .taking pics.
OOPS I may have spoke too soon, Check out these iphone pics http://www.ippawards.com/2015-winning-photographs/
the professionals wont be using an Iphone... ( what are u people thinking?)
The professionals have moved up and will be using
an IPAD.
Theres nothing better than trying to shoot the bride as she walks down the Isle and have 30 Ipads stuck out in the isle in front of you .taking pics.
OOPS I may have spoke too soon, Check out these iphone pics http://www.ippawards.com/2015-winning-photographs/
Dec 28, 2015 18:47:53 #
Sorry to blow a hole in your theory but I served in
WW II, Korea and Nam.... thirty years service so I guess I am a VETERAN and I am usually more serious about things and try to keep the government's hands OFF of my money. Let 'THOSE PEOPLE OVERSEAS" START TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE. NO VETERAN SHOULD EVER HAVE TO SLEEP ON THE STREET
WW II, Korea and Nam.... thirty years service so I guess I am a VETERAN and I am usually more serious about things and try to keep the government's hands OFF of my money. Let 'THOSE PEOPLE OVERSEAS" START TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN PEOPLE. NO VETERAN SHOULD EVER HAVE TO SLEEP ON THE STREET
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