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Dec 27, 2015 19:51:42   #
Fred Harwood Loc: Sheffield, Mass.
 
This process seems to have highlighted noise.
Also, the dog's eyes are in the focal plane, not the girl's?

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Dec 27, 2015 20:16:56   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
Yes! There are certain issues that are intrinsic in the original file. Theses is a color crossover so that when I corrected for the skin tone some green shift may show up in the hair or other shadow areas. When the original file has white balance or excessive response to UV it is hand to balance things without doing local color correction- way beyond a fast edit. The eyes of the subject, in the original file, are not in the same plane of focus and the retouch in catchlights are artificial and just create the illusion of some sharpness. In the original post, the eyes are obscured in shadow so ti is hard to tell exactly their degree of sharpness.

Unfortunately enough, oftentimes even very complex editing can not restore or correct serious lighting, exposure and noise issues to professional standards. Smart sharpening or other such actions can usually cause more problems due to over processing.

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Dec 27, 2015 21:18:34   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
OK! This is a nice snapshot with a pretty subject and a nice expression. I will not critique this as a formal portrait or even a casual outdoor image with professional portrait qualities. If the young photographer is interested in portrait techniques- I can get into those principles. I can say that the young fellow has some talent in getting natural expressions and attracting the attention of the pet in the image.

The big technical problem with the image is the skin tone- in the unedited image, it is magenta/blue and requires the addition of yellow/green. There is some residual cyan color in the whites, but this may be due to UV brighteners in the white fabric which tends to flourless on overcast days when the UV levels are high.High UV is not ordinarily a big issue with digital photography as it was in the film era but on very overcast or even certain cloudy/bright days the addition of the (often controversial)skylight or UV filter can do wonders for the color quality in all kinds of portraits which usually are more flattering when the color balance is on the warm side. I sometimes use my old UV-16 filter to clean up theses issues.

In this image, the lighting is coming in from directly above the subjects and has left the eyes and the eye sockets lacking in shadow detail and good catch-lights. In edition, I have dodged the eyes and the eye sockets and emphasized the dim catchlights on the subject and her doggie! I killed a few blemishes on her forehead- young ladies don't like skin issues.

The retouching is short and sweet- a 5 minute job!

Encourage the kid!

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OK! This is a nice snapshot with a pretty subject... (show quote)


Oh I do. He's got natural talent, but he needs to develop it continually. Thanks for your critique.

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Dec 28, 2015 07:39:34   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Fred Harwood wrote:
This process seems to have highlighted noise.
Also, the dog's eyes are in the focal plane, not the girl's?


The camera seems to have front focused as the girls left arm is the most in focus.

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Dec 30, 2015 08:09:21   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Ooops forget dating then... :oops: :oops: :oops:

Note that the crop is too tight here. It works for display but not for framing. The crop needs to be opened up leaving room for a mat.


I do a lot of square format images, and I love this shape. Must be a leftover from using a Yashica twin (back when) and the Diana Toy Camera (today). Both produce square images on 120 film. I suggest all of you try this format.

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Jan 3, 2016 14:25:52   #
MikeIrby Loc: Phoenixville, PA USA
 
Hi Wingpilot and all! Happy New Year!
Ryan did a nice job with his capture. The second part, of course, is the post processing. Please get him a subscription to KelbyOne to really learn about the post processing and photography in general. It looks like he has a nice start.
My rule #1- it's NEVER about the camera! His current D90 is absolutely fine. I believe my post confirms this.
My rule #2- amateurs, in any field, are all about the equipment. Professionals are all about the knowledge and final result.
Any camera in the hands of someone who knows the craft will be able to deliver nice results.
So, I started with Ryan's nice image and processed it as I saw it. A nice young girl and her dog maybe out for a walk. Corrected color, density, vibrance, levels, crop, 'fixed' her windy hair, smoothed the jacket collar, slight brighten to eyes and teeth, overall 30% surface blur (adds depth & lessens noise- 2 for 1), erased the blur on both faces, added slight vingette, smart sharpened final file at 35% and .05. That's a wrap, 20 minutes.
PM me if I can help Ryan with any info.


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Jan 23, 2016 16:34:26   #
canon Lee
 
Wingpilot wrote:
My grandson has a D90, and is a good photographer. He took this photo of a girl, but complained to me that he thought the image showed a lot of digital noise and wanted my opinion. I told him I would post it here and ask the experts, as I thought the final product was a pretty good picture. The first one is the original, the second got a slight LR treatment. The image is a JPEG. He said the details were as follows: Nikon D90 with Sigma 70-200 f/2.8, at 70mm. the exposure was set at ISO 500, and a 125th at f/2.8 in overcast conditions. He shot it in aperture priority.

Ryan would appreciate any good input here. Thanks in advance, guys.
My grandson has a D90, and is a good photographer.... (show quote)


Hi It is so great that you are taking such interest in your grandson. It is also good that he makes mistakes so that he can learn. I use 70~200mm as well, as this backs me up from the subject making me less imposing. When shooting a 3/4 shot I like to use "single point AF" and focus on the subjects eyes. I did notice the shot your grandson took the girls eyes were "soft". I like to use Aperture Priority outdoors. Have him practice standing closer with a longer focal length, he may have to back up or forward to get the correct DOF. The DOF should in this case include sharp focus on both the girls & dog's eyes. I like to set the aperture to F4 as F2.8 being more open tends to limit DOF. I feel outdoors an ISO should be 100% maybe 200% and no more. As for the creative aspect of the shot, it lacks what is known as "modeling". Modeling is simply a graduated shadow from one side of the face to the other, making the image appear 3D rather than flat toned. Angling the subject slightly to the sun or light source creates interesting shadows. The LR corrections look to me (on my monitor) to be a bit "saturated". What is more important is what the shot projects. The shot should tell a simple story. Photography is an art form.

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Jan 23, 2016 16:36:40   #
canon Lee
 
MikeIrby wrote:
Hi Wingpilot and all! Happy New Year!
Ryan did a nice job with his capture. The second part, of course, is the post processing. Please get him a subscription to KelbyOne to really learn about the post processing and photography in general. It looks like he has a nice start.
My rule #1- it's NEVER about the camera! His current D90 is absolutely fine. I believe my post confirms this.
My rule #2- amateurs, in any field, are all about the equipment. Professionals are all about the knowledge and final result.
Any camera in the hands of someone who knows the craft will be able to deliver nice results.
So, I started with Ryan's nice image and processed it as I saw it. A nice young girl and her dog maybe out for a walk. Corrected color, density, vibrance, levels, crop, 'fixed' her windy hair, smoothed the jacket collar, slight brighten to eyes and teeth, overall 30% surface blur (adds depth & lessens noise- 2 for 1), erased the blur on both faces, added slight vingette, smart sharpened final file at 35% and .05. That's a wrap, 20 minutes.
PM me if I can help Ryan with any info.
Hi Wingpilot and all! Happy New Year! br Ryan did ... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Jan 24, 2016 11:45:09   #
DickE Loc: Southern California
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Ooops forget dating then... :oops: :oops: :oops:

Note that the crop is too tight here. It works for display but not for framing. The crop needs to be opened up leaving room for a mat.


I like the editing and crop in these two images. They add significantly to the photograph. Overcast sky provides good light but it can make photographs appear a little flat. A reflector to one side may add depth to facial features.
Dick

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