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Nov 6, 2015 21:02:57   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
papakatz45 wrote:
I agree with everything you say but there is the fact if I make a one-time payment I can use the software forever. If I do monthly payments with CC what happens if I stop making payments?


Of course if you cease to subscribe then you are no longer allowed to use the software, so it stops working, HOWEVER, only portions of Lightroom stop, you still have access to your images as the develop module disables along with some other functionality, in Photoshop I believe everything ceases.

On the one time payment software, yes you can use it forever, until it no longer functions in your OS or you need an upgrade to support new hardware, or require functionality of a new version, and so on.

For what it is worth - should I decide to unsubscribe at some future date, there are alternatives to Lightroom, and there are alternatives to Photoshop, probably where my new photoshop skills will be transferrable fairly easily.

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Nov 6, 2015 21:05:00   #
gemlenz Loc: Gilbert Arizona
 
When you buy the license you only get that version. You may not get free updates with new features in the long run. You'd have to buy a new license. With CC you have a perpetual use license, as long as you are subscribed. When the software gets new features, you have access to them. I mean why are we discussing this at nausim. It's a no brainer.
Dds82 wrote:
Excellent point.....for CC you are locked in forever......u end up paying for the software many times over

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Nov 6, 2015 21:05:34   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
I'm sticking with LR6 - purchased version. I don't like renting anything, but that's just me. If you stop paying, you stop processing. When LR6 becomes outdated or incompatible with more modern equipment, I'll look elsewhere for processing software.

You'll pay at least $120 for the first year. Buying LR6 from Amazon would cost $143. I prefer to buy directly from the Adobe site so I know I can download it in the future, if necessary. If you look at the Adobe site, it will be difficult to find a place to purchase LR6. They want you to rent it.
I'm sticking with LR6 - purchased version. I don'... (show quote)


IF you are only interested in Lightroom it would be cheaper to BUY a version, HOWEVER, when you realize that you also get the full blown Photoshop along with the deal that can be a game changer, unless you would rather run out and buy Photoshop :)

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Nov 6, 2015 21:05:40   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
papakatz45 wrote:
I agree with everything you say but there is the fact if I make a one-time payment I can use the software forever. If I do monthly payments with CC what happens if I stop making payments?


True, you can use the software forever, as you say. However, there will come a time when a new OS will not support that old software or a new camera will not be supported by the ACR you have with that old software. You will be running your old program on old equipment. You will not have current updates.

If you can live with that, go for it. Personally I'm OK with renting the software since it can always be current and I don't consider the price excessive. I don't speak for everyone, just for myself.

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Nov 6, 2015 21:09:53   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
Dds82 wrote:
Excellent point.....for CC you are locked in forever......u end up paying for the software many times over


Many Times Over? Hardly, at $10.00 a month that sounds like $120.00 per year, so how much is Photoshop & Lightroom bought as standalone packages for a single payment?

I mean ten years of subscription is only $1,200.00 right?

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Nov 6, 2015 21:10:50   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
True, you can use the software forever, as you say. However, there will come a time when a new OS will not support that old software or a new camera will not be supported by the ACR you have with that old software. You will be running your old program on old equipment. You will not have current updates.

If you can live with that, go for it. Personally I'm OK with renting the software since it can always be current and I don't consider the price excessive. I don't speak for everyone, just for myself.
True, you can use the software forever, as you say... (show quote)


AND, you speak the truth ;)


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Nov 6, 2015 21:35:20   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
Dngallagher wrote:
Of course if you cease to subscribe then you are no longer allowed to use the software, so it stops working, HOWEVER, only portions of Lightroom stop, you still have access to your images as the develop module disables along with some other functionality, in Photoshop I believe everything ceases.

On the one time payment software, yes you can use it forever, until it no longer functions in your OS or you need an upgrade to support new hardware, or require functionality of a new version, and so on.

For what it is worth - should I decide to unsubscribe at some future date, there are alternatives to Lightroom, and there are alternatives to Photoshop, probably where my new photoshop skills will be transferrable fairly easily.
Of course if you cease to subscribe then you are n... (show quote)


I understand the benefits of always having the latest and greatest version of the software but the fact remains you are tied in to constant payments if you want to keep using the software. I prefer to use Elements, no need to discuss which is better to use, and update every two years at a cost of around $50 each time. So my cost is substantially less and I can stop at any time and continue to use the program without further payments. Again, not looking for discussion on which is best program to use. Whatever works for you. Just my thoughts.

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Nov 7, 2015 06:37:47   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
There are costs to every hobby. $120/year is not a particularly large one. A couple games of golf. A couple of fuel fillups for your boat. A couple of Starbucs a month.

Being retired, I understand the desire to keep the costs down. But I'm willing to put out some money for something I use a lot. For example I have an old copy of Dreamweaver (CS4) which I use frequently. It doesn't have the latest and greatest updates but it works for me. At the moment. Website creation is not one of my primary things, so I can put up with the lack of new features in that instance. But photography is on a higher plane in my enjoyment. I update my camera bodies and buy new lenses occasionally. Not every camera body upgrade, but maybe every 5-6 years. That expense really eclipses the cost of the Adobe photography package.

I don't expect to convince anyone that my way is the only way to go. Everyone has their own priorities. Just explaining my point of view.

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Nov 7, 2015 12:05:25   #
bcrawf
 
I do not see that the question has been answered as to what happens when a CC subscriber stops making the monthly payment. I have CC and think it would continue to operate on my computer without future payments, but that seems odd.

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Nov 7, 2015 12:34:05   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
bcrawf wrote:
I do not see that the question has been answered as to what happens when a CC subscriber stops making the monthly payment. I have CC and think it would continue to operate on my computer without future payments, but that seems odd.


Yes, it was above...

Lightroom CC will stop giving access to several functions, most importantly the develop module, but will continue to work in Library module so you maintain access to your images.

Photoshop will cease to function since once you no longer subscribe you have NO license to use the software.

The subscription based licensing works by connecting to Adobe to confirm your subscription status, every 30 days or so your subscription status is refreshed and your software works. Cancel your subscription or disconnect from the internet for a long period and the software will detect that your subscription has lapsed and either degrade or cease to function - the 30 days is not hard and fast, it could work for 90 days before shutting down.

The CC app does this communicating for you, just like it notifies you of updates.

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Nov 7, 2015 17:01:37   #
bcrawf
 
Thanks, Donald. Details are helpful.

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Nov 7, 2015 17:07:03   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
If you pay for a full years subscription, does it still work the same way as if you paid month to month?

Dngallagher wrote:
Yes, it was above...

Lightroom CC will stop giving access to several functions, most importantly the develop module, but will continue to work in Library module so you maintain access to your images.

Photoshop will cease to function since once you no longer subscribe you have NO license to use the software.

The subscription based licensing works by connecting to Adobe to confirm your subscription status, every 30 days or so your subscription status is refreshed and your software works. Cancel your subscription or disconnect from the internet for a long period and the software will detect that your subscription has lapsed and either degrade or cease to function - the 30 days is not hard and fast, it could work for 90 days before shutting down.

The CC app does this communicating for you, just like it notifies you of updates.
Yes, it was above... br br Lightroom CC will stop... (show quote)

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Nov 8, 2015 09:45:13   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
Brucej67 wrote:
If you pay for a full years subscription, does it still work the same way as if you paid month to month?


I am sure that it would, the subscription is for a full year, either paid upfront as an annual payment at a discount, or in monthly installments, so I would assume that if you paid for a full year, cancelled after 6 months and managed to get a refund from Adobe the account & software would end operation, if you canceled, but received no refund then I would assume the account & software would function till the 1 year anniversary.

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Nov 11, 2015 08:37:12   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
Brucej67 wrote:
If you pay for a full years subscription, does it still work the same way as if you paid month to month?

Exactly the same. I started out month to month, then just figured that I'm in this for the long haul, might as well only mess with making one entry in the books, instead of a $10 entry every month. I hate accounting!

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Nov 11, 2015 08:38:53   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
Bill_de wrote:
I have been upgrading PhotoShop every other version since Adobe first put their name to it. What bothers me about the new marketing process, if I understand it correctly, is that once you stop paying your software is disabled. You can't decide that the newest update is all you need.

Unless or until Adobe explains it differently I'll stick with what I have. I don't rent my home, my car, my cameras, etc. I don't want to rent my software.

I know it might be an age thing. A lot of younger people I know are comfortable with ongoing payments and never owning anything. :)


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I have been upgrading PhotoShop every other versio... (show quote)


I always have the option of upgrading, or not. My CC page says "update available" I have to click to upgrade. Not sure why you wouldn't want to , but different strokes for different folks.

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