There Is A God (How The Worlds Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind) (Page 2): That is because we are finite beings, we are here for awhile then gone. So infinite has no real...

steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA

NeilL wrote:

Thanks, Steve. For those who can't grasp the concept of always existing, nor can I and I can't grasp the concept of an infinite universe either. Everything in my life to date has been finite.

That is because we are finite beings, we are here for awhile then gone. So infinite has no real meaning for us. But never the less, infinity does exist.

That is why Faith is a gift, without it no one could believe. And for his own reasons, God did not choose to bestow that gift on all men. So the reasoning; "not all men have faith".

That faith is not the kind you have in those things you can see, touch, or feel. But a faith in those things not evident, and as yet unseen. Its not natural to man, but super natural. Even that fact bears out, there has to be someone behind it.

James Shaw

Robert Graybeal wrote:

The Worlds Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind but, some people on the forum are too stupid to learn.

Changing one's mind is a human thing to do and has nothing to do whether one is atheist or not. People always change their minds. It occurs in believers, atheists, repubs, demos, criminals, men, women, Catholics, Methodists, Mormons, Buddhas, etc. The ability to change one's mind is a good thing. It is part of what makes us what we are.

Changing one's mind does not mean there is a God or not.

It just means one has changed their mind.

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

steve40 wrote:

That is because we are finite beings, we are here ... (show quote)

:thumbup: :thumbup: But I still cannot grasp the concept of infinity. I know it exists. I reasoned, too, that a Creator must exist. The Big-Bang could not be a coincidence, it is simply the greatest feat of engineering ever. Life is an intelligent design, because of its ability to adapt to the environment, change the environment, and repair itself, and the ability to reason. Basically, the perfect machine. You put it well as "a super natural" force - for want of another name, "God."

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

James Shaw wrote:

Changing one's mind is a human thing to do and has nothing to do whether one is atheist or not. People always change their minds. It occurs in believers, atheists, repubs, demos, criminals, men, women, Catholics, Methodists, Mormons, Buddhas, etc. The ability to change one's mind is a good thing. It is part of what makes us what we are.

Changing one's mind does not mean there is a God or not.

It just means one has changed their mind.

My wife often tells me that it's also a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA

NeilL wrote:

My wife often tells me that it's also a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

Woman's mind is like a neon sign, that changes back and forth 10 times a minute. :)

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

Anthony Flew didn't change his mind, the evidence or non evidence changed his mind- "Flew was persuaded by the argument that showed the absolute impossibility of producing a Shakespearean sonnet (let alone a living thing) using time and chance.b Flew writes ... its simply absurd to suggest that the more elaborate feat of the origin of life could have been achieved by chance.

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

steve40 wrote:

Woman's mind is like a neon sign, that changes back and forth 10 times a minute. :)

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: Don't tell her that! :wink:

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

magicray wrote:

So logically we are not supposed to believe that life arose spontaneously by chance but that god did?

Everyone can believe as they choose, and why do we pigeon hole God/Goddess.
DNA is a valid argument shall I find and post my swirl
pics again?
Swirls on the top our heads the way our hair spirals at the top. The way the Milky Way has that spiral, same as the plants. Call it whatever you like; everything is interconnected.

James Shaw

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James Shaw wrote:
Changing one's mind is a human thing to do and has nothing to do whether one is atheist or not. People always change their minds. It occurs in believers, atheists, repubs, demos, criminals, men, women, Catholics, Methodists, Mormons, Buddhas, etc. The ability to change one's mind is a good thing. It is part of what makes us what we are.

Changing one's mind does not mean there is a God or not.

It just means one has changed their mind.

NeilL wrote:

My wife often tells me that it's also a woman's prerogative to change her mind.

Yes, how right your wife is, and my wonderful wife demonstrates that on a regular basis.

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

A simplistic view of intelligent design.
Interconnectedness, our problem is
we all view ourselves as separate.

Hair

Plants N Universe
Plants N Universe...

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

soba1 wrote:

A simplistic view of intelligent design.
Interconnectedness, our problem is
we all view ourselves as separate.

Yes, the Fibonacci sequence created by God for nature :)

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

Racmanaz wrote:

Yes, the Fibonacci sequence created by God for nature :)

:thumbup:

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

soba1 wrote:

:thumbup:

Do we know why?

James Shaw

Racmanaz wrote:

Anthony Flew didn't change his mind, the evidence or non evidence changed his mind- "Flew was persuaded by the argument that showed the absolute impossibility of producing a Shakespearean sonnet (let alone a living thing) using time and chance.b Flew writes ... its simply absurd to suggest that the more elaborate feat of the origin of life could have been achieved by chance.

What one sees influences what one believes and thinks and does, but it is man, not the observed thing, that changes his mind. It is man's choice to change his mind, if he is mentally capable.

Is it anymore absurd to entertain other ways that formed life on earth, than they one you perpetuate:

Ball of dust made the first man, but as an adult that never went through childhood; then a rib from that man was plucked and man had sex with that rib, once it changed into a woman, who then rib-woman bore him sons.

Just how ridiculous is that? I would think that chance is no more absurd than that.

James Shaw

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soba1 wrote:
A simplistic view of intelligent design.
Interconnectedness, our problem is
we all view ourselves as separate.

Racmanaz wrote:

Yes, the Fibonacci sequence created by God for nature :)

I think it was man, not God, that figured out the mathematics of the Fibonacci sequence. No evidence that God did the figuring, but much evidence that Leonardo Fibonacci did the figuring in the 12th century.