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Mar 19, 2012 01:10:57   #
pfredd
 
senad55verizon.net wrote:
pfredd wrote:
This whole issue seems to have become a tempest in a tea pot.
First - you aren't after white balance. Your problem and solution lies in temperature (°K). drop that by about 50° in whatever simple program you using OR, adjust levels using white wall tyre for lightest ( the other whites are spectral or tan, thus no good).
Second - choose darkest area (under the ford) as the true black. There it is in 2 clicks, took maybe 10 seconds including proving the whites and blacks. No colour replacement, no need for RAW conversion, no stoop, no squint, no squat.
P.S. those red marks on the wall mark location of fire extinguishers.
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How did you establish the color temperature of the light source at the car show? How did you determine the amount of temperature reduction required for cortrection?

There is no tempest, and certainly no sign of a teapot. This is a rational discussion about how to correct the color balance (also called white balance) in a somewnat difficult photographic situation.

One way to do that is to simply push sliders (like color temperature) back and forth until the image looks pretty good. What we're talking about here is alternatives to that approach.
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You are right, sir. We can't determine the light temperature in the room. The entire garage might have been bathed in red light so the camera capture was dead on. The OP did noi see that. He asked for corrections. The first offered was in deed pushing a scrubber to show the problem he saw was called
temperature, and easily altered.
The 10 second manouver is an easily applied to correct what you may see as a 'somewhat difficult photographic situation.' Some might opt for far more difficult corrections
using coloir substitution, channel torquing and other esoteric approaches. My approach assumed whites should be white and blacks black within the capture. If you would like puce sidewalls and deep purple shadows O,K., we can do it, but that degree was not captured so may take 30 seconds.
Since correcting the pic elicited so much ink but was fast and easy it seemed a tempest in a teapot (a very old English ezpression),

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Mar 19, 2012 07:42:47   #
vislp Loc: Level Pebble
 
Get one of these and it makes things so much easier!

http://www.adorama.com/PVOS14.html

VisLP

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Mar 19, 2012 08:33:48   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
There are a number of things like that if you are into getting the white balance right indeed. You can also use them to set exposure.

The standard is an 18% grey card.

A lot of people like the Expodisc...but kind of expensive.

At the other extreme many swear by coffee filters.

A guy from B&H was in town doing an Expo at a class thing I attended and he had a little cube thing that seemed kind of cool. It said it was about half the price of the Expodisc; kind of like the thing below.

If I were doing a lot of indoor stuff like the car shows or perhaps even outdoor portraits I might consider such solutions.

vislp wrote:
Get one of these and it makes things so much easier!

http://www.adorama.com/PVOS14.html

VisLP

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Mar 19, 2012 11:59:30   #
senad55verizon.net Loc: Milford, NJ
 
vislp wrote:
Get one of these and it makes things so much easier!

http://www.adorama.com/PVOS14.html

VisLP


This is a good approach, but after having spent 40 bucks and taken a picture of this thing, you will still need to know what to do next. That means you're going to have to learn to do WB correction in post processing software.

Fact is, it's usually a simple matter of one or two mouse clicks at the right time, in the right place. It's one of the many, many wonders of digital photography.

Honestly, it's not anywhere nearly so complex as the posts above suggest. But it really helps to have a clear understanding about how color is expressed with numbers in digital imaging. If necessary, hit the books!

Regards...

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Mar 19, 2012 15:32:21   #
Meives Loc: FORT LAUDERDALE
 
[quote=Meives] My white balance was set by accident on "manual". I looked up my pdf file on my Canon 20D and below is the chart. It has small icons and I accidently changed it. A 18% chart would have been the best, but I knew it was mercury. The auto white balance gets it close enough. I took the re-shoot with "raw" in case it needed tweeking. I am not new to photography...but I am new to doing photography right. Thanks for the help. I think I am OK now. David in Florida



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Mar 19, 2012 15:51:38   #
senad55verizon.net Loc: Milford, NJ
 
[quote=Meives]
Meives wrote:
My white balance was set by accident on "manual". I looked up my pdf file on my Canon 20D and below is the chart. It has small icons and I accidently changed it. A 18% chart would have been the best, but I knew it was mercury. The auto white balance gets it close enough. I took the re-shoot with "raw" in case it needed tweeking. I am not new to photography...but I am new to doing photography right. Thanks for the help. I think I am OK now. David in Florida


An 18% grey card ("chart") is not what you want for setting white balance.

You want a 50% grey card. Take its picture and call up the mid-point white balance tool in the Curves Panel of Photoshop or PE. Just click the tool on the image of the 50% grey card, and white balance is done.

What's it done for? It's done for the ambient light that was falling on the card when you took its picture. Good for all photos taken in that light.

Different light source? 'Nother white balance. Good for all photos taken in the different light.

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Mar 19, 2012 19:08:50   #
vislp Loc: Level Pebble
 
senad55verizon.net wrote:

This is a good approach, but after having spent 40 bucks and taken a picture of this thing, you will still need to know what to do next. That means you're going to have to learn to do WB correction in post processing software.

Fact is, it's usually a simple matter of one or two mouse clicks at the right time, in the right place. It's one of the many, many wonders of digital photography.

Honestly, it's not anywhere nearly so complex as the posts above suggest. But it really helps to have a clear understanding about how color is expressed with numbers in digital imaging. If necessary, hit the books!

Regards...
br This is a good approach, but after having spen... (show quote)


Thanks for posting the explanation senad55verizon.net! I ran out of time this morning and couldn't finish everything on all the posts I was answering before I had to leave.

VisLP

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