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Jul 21, 2014 09:06:46   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
New York Steve wrote:
Why? because I don't toe the party line?

Sorry, but I like to think for myself. You're clearly not burdened by such a choice.

I don't believe that the proof of someone's ideology lies in who he agrees with. It lies in what he, personally, believes. Unlike you, I don't try to hide the fact that conservatives are every bit as flawed as liberals. Trying to hide that only makes a person look ignorant and inept.

Finding hypocrisy on the right is a simple exercise. For starters, let's take the cases of John Lennon and Natalie Maines. John Lennon stated that The Beatles were more popular than Jesus Christ. Conservatives in this country lost their minds. When Natalie Maines was critical of George Bush, the same thing happened. Boycotts, record burnings and cancelled concerts were common.

But let some clown from Duck Dynasty profess a belief in Jesus Christ and, well, that's freedom of speech, and any negative reaction to that is completely uncalled for.

Two words: "Jimmy Swaggart".

Following President Clinton's admission that he'd committed adultery, Senator John Ensign called on Clinton to resign, saying that Clinton "has no credibility left".

In 2004, Ensign spoke on the sanctity of the institution of marriage:

Marriage is the cornerstone on which our society was founded. For those who say that the Constitution is so sacred that we cannot or should not adopt the Federal Marriage Amendment, I would simply point out that marriage, and the sanctity of that institution, predates the American Constitution and the founding of our nation.

Senator Ensign resigned his Senate seat after an investigation revealed an extra-marital affair.

Two more words: "Jim Bakker".

Newt Gingrich resigned from the House after admitting in 1998 to having had an affair with his intern while he was married to his second wife, and at the same time he was leading the impeachment of Bill Clinton for perjury regarding an affair with his intern Monica Lewinsky.

Bob Barr (R-GA) had an affair while married. Barr had been the first lawmaker in either chamber to call for Clinton's resignation due to the Lewinsky affair.

In 1995 speaking of the then recent affairs of Republican Robert Packwood and the unfolding affair of Democrat Bill Clinton, Republican Indiana Congressman Dan Burton made this statement:

"No one, regardless of what party they serve, no one, regardless of what branch of government they serve, should be allowed to get away with these alleged sexual improprieties..."

In 1998 the magazine Vanity Fair was slated to print an article detailing an affair which Burton himself had in 1983 which produced a child. Before publication Burton admitted to fathering a son with a former state employee

Seriously, I could do this all day. To suggest that it's difficult to find hypocrisy from those on the right is to demonstrate a woefully poor knowledge of relatively recent events. It further demonstrates the willingness of those on the right to lie and obfuscate while being critical of those on the left for doing the same.

So, yeah, you can go. I'm done with you for now...
Why? because I don't toe the party line? br br S... (show quote)


Great post. No political ideology is without its hypocrites. Including my fellow progressives.

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Jul 21, 2014 09:14:59   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Yea and I could care less what you call me, (as you are exhibiting behaviour liberals tend to do in name calling) and I'm not that far gone to see you for what you really are and that's an obama shill, and that opinion is derived from your asinine posts. If you are a conservative there moron, I'm a flaming liberal! Troll on there good buddy and you can kiss my ass on the way by!


It is amazing how quickly you decry name calling by "liberals" when you yourself are one of the most reflexive and juvenile name callers here. As I have said before, you do it so automatically that it has no more effect on anyone else than clearing your throat.

You are like the crazy uncle every family has who keeps telling the same joke and thinks it is still funny after a couple of thousand re-tellings.

Har Dee Har Har. No one tae you seriously Uncle Jakebrake.

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Jul 21, 2014 09:25:49   #
New York Steve Loc: St. Augustine, Florida
 
Bazbo wrote:
Great post. No political ideology is without its hypocrites. Including my fellow progressives.


And that's something the politically myopic are incapable of understanding.

If Fox News were to report that Democrats were in the process of impregnating alien space moneys, there are conservatives who would absolutely believe that.

If CNN were to report that Republicans were in the process of in the process of impregnating alien space monkeys, there are liberals who would believe that, too.

In each case, the shared ideology is an overwhelming force which easily results in logic and reason being completely dismissed.

It's entirely possible to be a conservative without being a Republican, however the right-wing brain trust here seems to believe that only Republicans can be conservatives and that, if you're not a Republican you must be a Democrat.

And, yes, the same theory works for those on the left, as well...

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Jul 21, 2014 09:51:36   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
ryanhawkerxp wrote:
... Owe Malley ....


...is quite right!

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Jul 21, 2014 10:54:29   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
New York Steve wrote:
And that's something the politically myopic are incapable of understanding.

If Fox News were to report that Democrats were in the process of impregnating alien space moneys, there are conservatives who would absolutely believe that.

If CNN were to report that Republicans were in the process of in the process of impregnating alien space monkeys, there are liberals who would believe that, too.

In each case, the shared ideology is an overwhelming force which easily results in logic and reason being completely dismissed.

It's entirely possible to be a conservative without being a Republican, however the right-wing brain trust here seems to believe that only Republicans can be conservatives and that, if you're not a Republican you must be a Democrat.

And, yes, the same theory works for those on the left, as well...
And that's something the politically myopic are in... (show quote)


Although overall I consider myself a progressive, I am quite conservative on some issues like national defense and fiscal responsibility. I also oppose Obamacare, although for reasons that are probably entirely different than yours.

A thinking person cannot be all one thing or another. Life is far too complex for that kind of myopia.

"Liberals" do not hate liberty any more than "Conservatives" do. These are just labels that are substitutes for actually thinking.

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Jul 21, 2014 11:22:49   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Why doesn't O'Malley simply find a place to house these illegal aliens in a liberal enclave in Maryland. There are many to choose from. Typical hypocrisy!


It’s not that Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley doesn’t want the child migrants in Maryland — he was just trying to protect them from his racist constituents.

O’Malley, who’s been a vocal critic of the Obama administration for its efforts to return the migrant children to their home countries, came under fire this week when a conversation was leaked in which he asked a top White House adviser not to send any of the migrants to his state.

“Please don’t send these kids to western Maryland,” he told White House domestic policy adviser Cecilia Munoz on Friday.

In a Wednesday interview, he clarified that he simply “suggested to them that the location still under consideration in Westminster might not be the most inviting environment for the kids,” after explaining that the proposed shelter in Westminster is deeply conservative and even voted to make English the county’s official language. (RELATED: Gallup Poll Says Obama’s Border Meltdown Is Nation’s Top Problem)

O’Malley, who is seriously considering a run for the presidency in 2016, said his fears were confirmed when graffiti reading “No illeagles here. No undocumented Democrats” was found on the potential site.

“I think every governor and every mayor in America, and every American citizen, has some responsibility and role to play here,” he said Wednesday. “It’s who we are as a people.”


http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/16/omalley-i-was-just-trying-to-protect-the-migrants-from-my-racist-constituents/#ixzz381CoF2Al
Why doesn't O'Malley simply find a place to house ... (show quote)


Since this is a Federal endeavor, bus them all to Washington, D.C.
The White House lawn would make a great tent city.

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Jul 21, 2014 12:30:22   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Bazbo wrote:
A thinking person cannot be all one thing or another. Life is far too complex for that kind of myopia.

"Liberals" do not hate liberty any more than "Conservatives" do. These are just labels that are substitutes for actually thinking.
Well said.

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Jul 21, 2014 13:36:58   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
"It's not that Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley doesn't want the child migrants in Maryland - he was just trying to protect them from his racist constituents."

Makes sense to me. Where is the hypocrisy? He didn't say he didn't want them in the state, he said that a racist district might not be the best location. I agree. Don't you?

Now, Republicans wanting to keep suspects in indefinite detention - many of who are now known to be innocent - but not wanting them housed in their home states? That is hypocrisy.

Mike
"It's not that Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley ... (show quote)

That is the biggest, dumbest response put in this website that I have read in a long time. The biggest racists by far are the Democraps. Talking about spinning a lie about what he said is typical of our half-ass president who say and you are following in their steps.

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Jul 21, 2014 13:42:08   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Checkmate wrote:
That is the biggest, dumbest response put in this website that I have read in a long time. The biggest racists by far are the Democraps. Talking about spinning a lie about what he said is typical of our half-ass president who say and you are following in their steps.
I am not a Democrat nor a supporter of the Obama administration. Nor do I think much of the politician being discussed.

One thing of which I am quite certain, and that is that none of my posts here are "dumb." You may not agree with what I write, but the posts are not "dumb." If you have a coherent counter-argument, then make it. Calling someone else's post "dumb" is not an intelligent response, let alone a coherent rebuttal, and just because you don't agree with or don't like what someone else writes, that does not make what they wrote "spin."

Mike

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Jul 21, 2014 15:44:14   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I am not a Democrat nor a supporter of the Obama administration. Nor do I think much of the politician being discussed.

One thing of which I am quite certain, and that is that none of my posts here are "dumb." You may not agree with what I write, but the posts are not "dumb." If you have a coherent counter-argument, then make it. Calling someone else's post "dumb" is not an intelligent response, let alone a coherent rebuttal, and just because you don't agree with or don't like what someone else writes, that does not make what they wrote "spin."

Mike
I am not a Democrat nor a supporter of the Obama a... (show quote)


Mike--as you know there about dozen or so people who post here that have confused insult with argument. The insulters and the name callers have no other tools. There is a sad coherence though: they despise anyone who dares disagree with Their Own Awesome Selves.

I suspect in real life they are more civil, at least I hope so. There is a certain safety in making these personal comments from behind their little screen names that would not be afforded in a face to face encounter.

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Jul 21, 2014 15:49:38   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Bazbo wrote:
Mike--as you know there about dozen or so people who post here that have confused insult with argument. The insulters and the name callers have no other tools. There is a sad coherence though: they despise anyone who dares disagree with Their Own Awesome Selves.

I suspect in real life they are more civil, at least I hope so. There is a certain safety in making these personal comments from behind their little screen names that would not be afforded in a face to face encounter.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 21, 2014 16:29:32   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Bazbo wrote:
Mike--as you know there about dozen or so people who post here that have confused insult with argument. The insulters and the name callers have no other tools. There is a sad coherence though: they despise anyone who dares disagree with Their Own Awesome Selves.

I suspect in real life they are more civil, at least I hope so. There is a certain safety in making these personal comments from behind their little screen names that would not be afforded in a face to face encounter.
No doubt. Well said.

Mike

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Jul 21, 2014 18:05:09   #
GeorgeH Loc: Jonesboro, GA
 
Bazbo wrote:
Mike--as you know there about dozen or so people who post here that have confused insult with argument. The insulters and the name callers have no other tools. There is a sad coherence though: they despise anyone who dares disagree with Their Own Awesome Selves.

I suspect in real life they are more civil, at least I hope so. There is a certain safety in making these personal comments from behind their little screen names that would not be afforded in a face to face encounter.


What you write is sadly all too true. I also wonder how they get through a day in real life without either infuriating other folks who have the misfortune to encounter them, or get punched out. Their style of "debate" seems to be 1. Shout louder. 2. Insult your opponent's intelligence, veracity, etc in any way possible. 3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 ad nausaeum. Then there are those who assert that they will punch out their opponent, just name the place and time. I wonder if anyone has taken them up on the offer?

Some of these folks will inject their peculiar brand of "politics" into decidedly non-political threads, usually by insulting their current "enemies." Have a look at a recent thread dealing with a great blue heron which swallowed a gopher for an example of this puerile behavior.

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Jul 21, 2014 20:03:38   #
jcjr8
 
Bazbo wrote:
Although overall I consider myself a progressive, I am quite conservative on some issues like national defense and fiscal responsibility. I also oppose Obamacare, although for reasons that are probably entirely different than yours.

A thinking person cannot be all one thing or another. Life is far too complex for that kind of myopia.

"Liberals" do not hate liberty any more than "Conservatives" do. These are just labels that are substitutes for actually thinking.
Although overall I consider myself a progressive, ... (show quote)


I'd like to know why you oppose Obamacare if you wouldn't mind elaborating.

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Jul 21, 2014 20:48:08   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
jcjr8 wrote:
I'd like to know why you oppose Obamacare if you wouldn't mind elaborating.


No, not at all. The The only good thing about the ACA is that it is marginally better than what it replaced. There are more people insured now and certain provisions, like the pre-existing conditions changes are reforms long overdue..

That being said, it is deeply flawed legislation. It is far too complex and just seems like that it may collapse under its own bureaucratic weight in the long term. The people hurt by this are real and I do not think the law has enough flexibility to ease those people off the substandard plans that those people like and were meeting their needs.

I hope it can be replaced by something better and more streamlined, but I do not want to go backwards. The "death panels" pre ACA were real--they were run by the insurance companies.

We can, and should do better.

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