Mickey88 wrote:
that simple sstatement has the power to do 2 things.
1. make the mother realize how bad, her statement is,
2. if the daughter is there, it will give her a shot of confidence which will yield better photos.
I have several stories of women who didn't like to have their photos taken,because they had low self esteem , but right persuasion, before the shoot, and the right encouragement and compliments during the shoot, made them open up and believe in themselves, to the point that they loved the photos and then would ask me if we could shoot again sometime..
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I didn't mean to imply disapproval for a minute. It's a brilliant response -- and VERY smooth indeed!
Cheers,
R.
Mickey88 wrote:
I would have said " Your daughter is Beautiful just the way she is, why would you want her to look like someone else."
I sure wouldn't say that. Could be misunderstood. Perhaps she is asking for a similar pose and lighting. Just say "I'll do my best."
Dria wrote:
Roger Hicks wrote:
Roger Salls wrote:
I will do my utmost to bring out in your daughter the beautiful young lady she is
Dear Roger,
Wonderfully tactful!
My own response would be (a) run a mile or (b) if that doesn't work, try soft focus and every trick in the book (clothes, lighting, posing...) Quite honestly I'm not a good enough portraitist to do it, but I've seen a few people who are, so I'd study their work VERY carefully to see what lighting and poses they used.
Also, old books on portraiture (1920s to 1950s) tend to be a bit more blunt than modern ones, which sometimes read as if they were afraid the subject might read them and see that the photographer used slimming lighting, poses, etc.
Cheers,
R. .
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I tried to run! I think I can get good shots of her. I am just afraid the mom doesn't really "see" her.
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On the contrary, I think her mother does "see" her, she is just either very insecure about her appearance or the other sin, trying to make her into what she wants or how the mother wishes she could look. Either way the mother will not be happy with the results. I've been through this before..
I didn't think that you did, I was just elaborating...
Roger Hicks wrote:
Mickey88 wrote:
that simple sstatement has the power to do 2 things.
1. make the mother realize how bad, her statement is,
2. if the daughter is there, it will give her a shot of confidence which will yield better photos.
I have several stories of women who didn't like to have their photos taken,because they had low self esteem , but right persuasion, before the shoot, and the right encouragement and compliments during the shoot, made them open up and believe in themselves, to the point that they loved the photos and then would ask me if we could shoot again sometime..
that simple sstatement has the power to do 2 thing... (
show quote)
I didn't mean to imply disapproval for a minute. It's a brilliant response -- and VERY smooth indeed!
Cheers,
R.
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I would say that in a heartbeat, it's pretty simple statement, hard to misunderstand, if the client meant pose or lighting, that gives them the opportunity to explain I'm very honest and upfront with people, and have never had a client that didn't tell me it was a pleasure working with me and they look forward to doing it again, because I make all my shoots fun
larrycumba wrote:
Mickey88 wrote:
I would have said " Your daughter is Beautiful just the way she is, why would you want her to look like someone else."
I sure wouldn't say that. Could be misunderstood. Perhaps she is asking for a similar pose and lighting. Just say "I'll do my best."
Ahhh... I am glad I asked this..
Now I know to say..
"What do you like about Julie's portraits"
Because that is how I end up doing Senior pics- the kids show their parents Julie's photos on facebook (and maybe on my blog too)and want her/that look.
which is mainly casual and relaxed.
The real truth is all women are beautiful...some wear their beauty some keep it in their hearts.
I have been told that black or dark clothes make a person look slimmer?
I took headshots (for class year book) for a young man who is...lets say, a bit chubby. Nice looking guy, very round face and large build. Mom hated the shots. Said he looked fat. So studio owner re-took them, as she is MUCH more experienced than I. Again...mom hated them. Said his face is too fat. I would never say this to a persons face, but there comes a point when you think things like, "Hello mother! he IS fat!" We tried different angles, shooting from a little above, turning his face to the side as we do the girls for that model look, no luck. We will never please this mom. And probably not make much of a sale. Not every person is extremely photogenic. We as photographers can enhance or distract with posing, lighting and placement, but we can't take 100 pounds off a fella. Darn it. If we could, I would be IN more pictures. =)
I haven't tried it but have read that shooting those with more than ample proportions from above as it makes them look less stocky for lack of a better word. Perhaps a step ladder is in order. Also to get you off the hook you might ask her to help with the shoot in order to get what she wants. That way you have an out as she was in on the job.
I think a simple "what do you mean?" would have sufficed. Then you would have some clarity.
Explain that each person is unique in heir own right. The person making the request may have some psychological problems. Making that little girl look like someone else can damage her ego and cause problems later for her. Simply lady know that you take portraits of people as they are.
Frank Kello
Licensed Mental Health Counselor
rivernan wrote:
I think a simple "what do you mean?" would have sufficed. Then you would have some clarity.
Exactly.
I'd find out what she was asking before I responded.
That's a toughie. If the daughter hears that comment it kinds of knocks her self confidence. You are there to take the best picture possible. Maybe you could pull the mom aside and suggest a different outfit, hire a hair dresser and maybe a make-up artist. This will bring out her child's TRUE BEAUTY.
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