ok where did thoes little icon go. LR4 (Page 2): Possibly because she appears trapped in Lightroom and cannot say whether she is having the same problem in other programs. Sometimes it...

BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA

mwsilvers wrote:

Of course I addressed the issue. Based on the OPs very specific question this was a issue with Lightroom, and a common one at that. And, there is a very specific key combination- Shift F- in Lightroom that fixes this. Why would you assume this is more than a Lightroom question?

Possibly because she appears trapped in Lightroom and cannot say whether she is having the same problem in other programs. Sometimes it helps to consider that a Lightroom problem might not be limited to Lightroom.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

Mogul wrote:

Possibly because she appears trapped in Lightroom and cannot say whether she is having the same problem in other programs. Sometimes it helps to consider that a Lightroom problem might not be limited to Lightroom.

The ability to do this is controlled separately in each Windows application. Many applications do not have this native ability at all. In most apps that have it, it takes the form of a full screen toggle, often using F11, which is different than the described issue the OP was having. Very few applications do exactly what LR does in this situation and as a result this "feature" has often caused the confusion the OP is having. There is no command or single set of key strokes that would do that for all Windows applications. In order to hide the close box in a specific application and not allow the user to unhide it with some set of key strokes, the designer would have to code it within the program, which is highly frowned upon. Not providing a close button is considered a programming faux pas. In any case Alt F4 will close just about any Windows application.

BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA

mwsilvers wrote:

The ability to do this is controlled separately in... (show quote)

Your last sentence intrigues me in that I wonder if the OP had done that in LR, would it have reopened in normal screen mode or in expanded (full-screen) mode. Anyway, by now I'm sure the problem is solved. It has been pleasant exchanging ideas with you.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

Mogul wrote:

Your last sentence intrigues me in that I wonder if the OP had done that in LR, would it have reopened in normal screen mode or in expanded (full-screen) mode. Anyway, by now I'm sure the problem is solved. It has been pleasant exchanging ideas with you.

Alt F4 would close Lightroom, but it would not change any settings. Lightroom would restart in the same mode as when it was closed. She needs to hit Shift F twice to change the settings back to where she wanted them. Frankly I don't know why that feature is even there. Using F by itself toggles between full screen and "normal" mode and is much more useful than what you get with Shift F, in my opinion.

BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA

mwsilvers wrote:

Alt F4 would close Lightroom, but it would not change any settings. Lightroom would restart in the same mode as when it was closed. She needs to hit Shift F twice to change the settings back to where she wanted them. Frankly I don't know why that feature is even there. Using F by itself toggles between full screen and "normal" mode and is much more useful than what you get with Shift F, in my opinion.

There is a need for uniformity and universality in both major operating systems and their native programs. If Apple can control and standardize operating functions on their IOS applications, why can't they and Windows do the same on their major operating systems?

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

Mogul wrote:

There is a need for uniformity and universality in both major operating systems and their native programs. If Apple can control and standardize operating functions on their IOS applications, why can't they and Windows do the same on their major operating systems?

These are not standard Windows functions.They very are specific to Lightroom. There is no need, for instance, in many applications to have a full screen mode in the first place. Lightroom is coded with a number of design features, specific to its functionality, to provide additional flexibility to professional and amateur users alike. The Mac version may be similar in this respect, but I don't know for sure.

BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA

mwsilvers wrote:

These are not standard Windows functions.They very are specific to Lightroom. There is no need, for instance, in many applications to have a full screen mode in the first place. Lightroom is coded with a number of design features, specific to its functionality, to provide additional flexibility to professional and amateur users alike. The Mac version may be similar in this respect, but I don't know for sure.

Some functions, however, are and should be universal to the operating system. In Mac, Command-A selects all, Alt-Tab lists all open programs, Alt-Q closes a listed program and there are three ways to "force quit" a frozen program that will not respond to ant commands. Most of these functions, however, are disabled in some programs. Apple is negotiating with those software companies to incorporate these and other functions. I know Windows has many similar functions they would like applied to all authorized programs. No matter how many ways LR has to change screen size or quit the program, Windows would like their own set of commands incorporated also.

altheman Loc: Christchurch, New Zealand

In my version of Lr 4.4 the f key is a toggle key and Shift f does nothing tap f once and the windows (blue) menu bar disappears tap it twice and the Lr menu bar disappears tap it a third time and the windows menu bar reappears.

manattee scrubber Loc: Inverness, FL

In the upper left hand corner you will see the word navigator. Next to it you will see FIT, FILL, 1:1 and up and down arrows with many aspect ratios. Clicking any one of those will change how much of your image you see. Far superior to max. and min. icons.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

altheman wrote:

In my version of Lr 4.4 the f key is a toggle key and Shift f does nothing tap f once and the windows (blue) menu bar disappears tap it twice and the Lr menu bar disappears tap it a third time and the windows menu bar reappears.

In LR5, the F key toggles between the LR screen and a full-screen image of the picture you're working on. Shift-F toggles the window-closing buttons.

jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ

She never came back. :?

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

jeep_daddy wrote:

She never came back. :?

patience!

altheman Loc: Christchurch, New Zealand

jerryc41 wrote:

In LR5, the F key toggles between the LR screen and a full-screen image of the picture you're working on. Shift-F toggles the window-closing buttons.

Well that's not very helpful the OP is using Lr4. But thankyou because now I will know what to do when I upgrade

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

altheman wrote:

Well that's not very helpful the OP is using Lr4. But thankyou because now I will know what to do when I upgrade

The key strokes don't usually change much from version to version. Try it out yourself. It's either going to be F or Shift F depending on the version.

altheman Loc: Christchurch, New Zealand

mwsilvers wrote:

The key strokes don't usually change much from version to version. Try it out yourself. It's either going to be F or Shift F depending on the version.

I did