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Mar 15, 2013 15:57:52   #
TaraMar Loc: Kingston, RI
 
I have the Lee 2 stop and 3 stop soft edge GND filters and a Lee 2 stop hard edge GND filter. These are 4x6 inch glass filters. I also own the Lee Big Stopper which is a 4x4 inch filter. All fit into the filter holder and I have two adapter rings, 1 77mm and 1 67mm. I love these filters and use them often when shooting sunrise/sunset. I use the Big Stopper during the day when I want to slow down the shutter speed to capture the movement of clouds and/or water and want to remove elements like moving cars/people. One thing I should caution you about... I would recommend that you buy the soft edge filters rather than the hard edge. The hard edge should only be used when you have a definitive horizon line i.e. ocean/sky or when you are using a longer lens than a wide angle. If you are taking photos of mountains and lakes, etc. where there isn't a horizon line then you will not be able to properly expose for the mountains and the sky all with one filter. A soft edge would be better suited for these types of shots. I also tend to use my soft edge for photos that have a horizon as well and get better results. I have bought all my filters, adapter ring, and holder from B&H. Lee filters are close to $100 each; they are expensive but if you take good care of them you will have them forever. Also, you can stack up to four filters in one holder so that you can reduce the shutter speed/exposure by more than 3 stops. They only make them in 1, 2, and 3 stops.

Link to filter holder
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/87108-REG/LEE_Filters_FK_Foundation_Kit_Standard_4x4.html

Link to adapter rings
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=lee+adapter+rings&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

Link to GND filters
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=lee+graduated+neutral+density+filter&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

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Mar 15, 2013 15:59:04   #
TaraMar Loc: Kingston, RI
 
Also you can buy all three soft edge filters for $260
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/292653-REG/LEE_Filters_NDGSSET_Graduated_Neutral_Density_Soft.html

TaraMar wrote:
I have the Lee 2 stop and 3 stop soft edge GND filters and a Lee 2 stop hard edge GND filter. These are 4x6 inch glass filters. I also own the Lee Big Stopper which is a 4x4 inch filter. All fit into the filter holder and I have two adapter rings, 1 77mm and 1 68mm. I love these filters and use them often when shooting sunrise/sunset. I use the Big Stopper during the day when I want to slow down the shutter speed to capture the movement of clouds and/or water and want to remove elements like moving cars/people. One thing I should caution you about... I would recommend that you buy the soft edge filters rather than the hard edge. The hard edge should only be used when you have a definitive horizon line i.e. ocean/sky. If you are taking photos of mountains and lakes, etc. where there isn't a horizon line then you will not be able to properly expose for the mountains and the sky all with one filter. A soft edge would be better suited for these types of shots. I also tend to use my soft edge for photos that have a horizon as well and get better results. I have bought all my filters, adapter ring, and holder from B&H. Lee filters are close to $100 each; they are expensive but if you take good care of them you will have them forever. Also, you can stack up to four filters in one holder so that you can reduce the shutter speed/exposure by more than 3 stops. They only make them in 1, 2, and 3 stops.

Link to filter holder
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/87108-REG/LEE_Filters_FK_Foundation_Kit_Standard_4x4.html

Link to adapter rings
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=lee+adapter+rings&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

Link to GND filters
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=lee+graduated+neutral+density+filter&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
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Mar 15, 2013 16:09:59   #
Coolcameragirl Loc: Bradenton, FL
 
TaraMar wrote:
Also you can buy all three soft edge filters for $260
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/292653-REG/LEE_Filters_NDGSSET_Graduated_Neutral_Density_Soft.html

TaraMar wrote:
I have the Lee 2 stop and 3 stop soft edge GND filters and a Lee 2 stop hard edge GND filter. These are 4x6 inch glass filters. I also own the Lee Big Stopper which is a 4x4 inch filter. All fit into the filter holder and I have two adapter rings, 1 77mm and 1 68mm. I love these filters and use them often when shooting sunrise/sunset. I use the Big Stopper during the day when I want to slow down the shutter speed to capture the movement of clouds and/or water and want to remove elements like moving cars/people. One thing I should caution you about... I would recommend that you buy the soft edge filters rather than the hard edge. The hard edge should only be used when you have a definitive horizon line i.e. ocean/sky. If you are taking photos of mountains and lakes, etc. where there isn't a horizon line then you will not be able to properly expose for the mountains and the sky all with one filter. A soft edge would be better suited for these types of shots. I also tend to use my soft edge for photos that have a horizon as well and get better results. I have bought all my filters, adapter ring, and holder from B&H. Lee filters are close to $100 each; they are expensive but if you take good care of them you will have them forever. Also, you can stack up to four filters in one holder so that you can reduce the shutter speed/exposure by more than 3 stops. They only make them in 1, 2, and 3 stops.

Link to filter holder
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/87108-REG/LEE_Filters_FK_Foundation_Kit_Standard_4x4.html

Link to adapter rings
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=lee+adapter+rings&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

Link to GND filters
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=lee+graduated+neutral+density+filter&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=
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Wow, thanks for all that information! I will check it out.

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Mar 16, 2013 00:09:41   #
Greg Loc: Maryland
 
No, that's backwards, that's step up. Jerry was correct. Step down is going from your native filter size to a smaller filter. You are 'stepping' down to the smaller size filter from your native filter size of your lens. If you mount that 77mm filter on your 58mm lens, you are 'steppinp' up to the 77mm.

FredB wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
FredB wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
FredB wrote:
. .. and I suppose then they'd be "step-down' adapters...

"Step up." I wanted to try that type without spending a lot of money, so I got a set of the Cokin style filters on Amazon. I think it was under $50 for the set. No complaints.
My idea was, if you have a Cokin frame in a 77mm adapter, and you buy another adapter to mount it on an 58mm front element, that's a 'step down'... But it depends on your viewpoint, I guess.

I used to think the same thing, but MT set me straight. From the viewpoint of your lens, you are always going to a larger size. Putting a 58mm filter on a 77mm lens would be a step-down - in more ays than one.
quote=FredB quote=jerryc41 quote=FredB . .. and... (show quote)
I believe you misunderstand the inflection of my nuance.

1) You have a 77mm adapter on to which a Cokin frame slides. You mount that on your 77mm front-element lens.

2) You want to mount your Cokin frame on a 58-mm front element lens. So you buy A SECOND ADAPTER, which is 58mm in diameter. That, to me, is what I meant - since, in the Cokin system, the lens mount adapters are separate from the frame.

NOW, that said, you have a 77mm screw in type filter. You wish to place that filter on a 58mm lens. The adapter you purchase to go from 77mm to 58mm is a step-down adapter. I don't care what lens it ends up on, if you go from native 77mm to a smaller number, its a step down.

I would never put a 58mm filter on a 77mm lens. That's just silly.
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Mar 16, 2013 08:28:53   #
FredB Loc: A little below the Mason-Dixon line.
 
Greg wrote:
No, that's backwards, that's step up. Jerry was correct. Step down is going from your native filter size to a smaller filter. You are 'stepping' down to the smaller size filter from your native filter size of your lens. If you mount that 77mm filter on your 58mm lens, you are 'stepping' up to the 77mm.
I think we have to agree to disagree on that one. It boils down to whether you look at it from the lens point of view, or the filter point of view. And since it's a filter adapter, I look at it from the filter point of view. You're not using it so your lens fits on the filter, you're using it so your filter fits on the lens.

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Mar 16, 2013 10:06:02   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
FredB wrote:
Greg wrote:
No, that's backwards, that's step up. Jerry was correct. Step down is going from your native filter size to a smaller filter. You are 'stepping' down to the smaller size filter from your native filter size of your lens. If you mount that 77mm filter on your 58mm lens, you are 'stepping' up to the 77mm.
I think we have to agree to disagree on that one. It boils down to whether you look at it from the lens point of view, or the filter point of view. And since it's a filter adapter, I look at it from the filter point of view. You're not using it so your lens fits on the filter, you're using it so your filter fits on the lens.
quote=Greg No, that's backwards, that's step up. ... (show quote)

The point of reference is the lens. Attaching a larger filter requires a step-up ring. Attaching a smaller filter requires a step-down ring, which seems like a situation you would generally want to avoid.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Step-Up-Rings/ci/420/N/4077634530

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Step-Down-Rings/ci/421/N/4077634529

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Mar 16, 2013 10:14:04   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
Step downs work on longer lenses but not on wide or even normal lenses they all vignett. - Dave

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Mar 16, 2013 10:25:33   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
wilsondl2 wrote:
Step downs work on longer lenses but not on wide or even normal lenses they all vignett. - Dave

I have 77mm filters and adaptor rings, so I'm all set. You notice I used the word "adaptor." Nothing controversial about that. :D

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Mar 16, 2013 11:03:47   #
Greg Loc: Maryland
 
Well, it's you against the world. There's your point of view, and the rest of the photographic community.

FredB wrote:
Greg wrote:
No, that's backwards, that's step up. Jerry was correct. Step down is going from your native filter size to a smaller filter. You are 'stepping' down to the smaller size filter from your native filter size of your lens. If you mount that 77mm filter on your 58mm lens, you are 'stepping' up to the 77mm.
I think we have to agree to disagree on that one. It boils down to whether you look at it from the lens point of view, or the filter point of view. And since it's a filter adapter, I look at it from the filter point of view. You're not using it so your lens fits on the filter, you're using it so your filter fits on the lens.
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Mar 16, 2013 11:06:18   #
Greg Loc: Maryland
 
Well, yes, of course they will. Depending on the amount of vinetteing and what you are trying to accomplish with the filter, the results may be acceptable however. While I agree there's a lot of filters that it just won't work right for, that's not 100% of the case.

wilsondl2 wrote:
Step downs work on longer lenses but not on wide or even normal lenses they all vignett. - Dave

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Mar 16, 2013 12:02:04   #
FredB Loc: A little below the Mason-Dixon line.
 
Greg wrote:
Well, it's you against the world. There's your point of view, and the rest of the photographic community.
Not the first time. I also run what seems to be a one-man crusade against the use of the word "lense" :)

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Mar 21, 2013 06:55:00   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
FredB wrote:
Greg wrote:
Well, it's you against the world. There's your point of view, and the rest of the photographic community.
Not the first time. I also run what seems to be a one-man crusade against the use of the word "lense" :)

After a few thousand more uses of that "word," it will indeed become a word. :D

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Mar 21, 2013 07:07:03   #
kendo1 Loc: Edinburgh, UK
 
jerryc41 wrote:
wilsondl2 wrote:
Step downs work on longer lenses but not on wide or even normal lenses they all vignett. - Dave

I have 77mm filters and adaptor rings, so I'm all set. You notice I used the word "adaptor." Nothing controversial about that. :D


Definitely controversial.

I say adapter, you say adaptor.

Depends what side of the pond you are.

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Mar 21, 2013 07:12:34   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
kendo1 wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
wilsondl2 wrote:
Step downs work on longer lenses but not on wide or even normal lenses they all vignett. - Dave

I have 77mm filters and adaptor rings, so I'm all set. You notice I used the word "adaptor." Nothing controversial about that. :D


Definitely controversial.

I say adapter, you say adaptor.

Depends what side of the pond you are.

There are quite a few words in American English for which both "er" and "or" are acceptable. I generally use "or." Of course, I can't think of a single one right now. :D

Advisor/adviser

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Mar 21, 2013 07:29:13   #
kendo1 Loc: Edinburgh, UK
 
jerryc41 wrote:
kendo1 wrote:
jerryc41 wrote:
wilsondl2 wrote:
Step downs work on longer lenses but not on wide or even normal lenses they all vignett. - Dave

I have 77mm filters and adaptor rings, so I'm all set. You notice I used the word "adaptor." Nothing controversial about that. :D


Definitely controversial.

I say adapter, you say adaptor.

Depends what side of the pond you are.

There are quite a few words in American English for which both "er" and "or" are acceptable. I generally use "or." Of course, I can't think of a single one right now. :D

Advisor/adviser
quote=kendo1 quote=jerryc41 quote=wilsondl2 Ste... (show quote)


My spell check keeps me right! (in the old country)

It's a shame the Canon/ Nikon debate can't be settled so easily. :)
The thread starter succeeded with his experiment!

Back on topic, it seems a great deal of money to spend on a filter. I would go for a screw in filter for the lens I would be most likely to use. It seems to be an awful lot of faffing about changing lenses, filter holders, filter cases, etc. I'd rather be taking pics.

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