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Aug 14, 2020 22:08:06   #
a6k wrote:
Although my cameras are Sony (plus my wife's Nikon Coolpix P1000), I have had similar issues. It's especially difficult with the P1000 because the EVF is smaller than most and the angle of view is extremely small when fully zoomed.

I find that keeping both eyes open, while a difficult trick, helps put the camera's view on the subject.

Also, I leave the EVF powered up and turn off the big screen in the rear. On my Sony's that allows toggling between displays for later review of shots (AKA chimping). There is no perceptible lag in the EVF but if there were I'm sure that would make life much more difficult.

Although the original post was about Fuji, the basic technique should work for any camera with an EVF.
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Yeah totally! There's some kind of funny connection in your brain you have to break, but once you have then raising the camera to one eye with both of them open is suddenly so useful!!
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Aug 14, 2020 22:03:22   #
Gene51 wrote:
You can forgo using the EVF AND the rear screen altogether, by using this

https://www.getolympus.com/us/en/ee-1-dot-sight.html

Once you align it for your camera, you just point the sighting dot on the subject and press the shutter. No waiting. Very accurate and reliable. I've seen a lot of bird photographers usin some version of this on their cameras. There are many mfgrs - mostly from the long rifle crowd, that can be adapted for use with a camera.


I was wondering about these - I suspect it's something I'd have to really use before I understood what it can do...
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Aug 14, 2020 11:51:12   #
Wow, the photo of the cattails in front of the dock is so striking. I love the they way it creates a visual comparison of the two.
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Aug 14, 2020 11:35:03   #
Another observation that may be related: If I get out my old film SLR and its 300mm lens, and side-by-side I use the OMD EM5ii at the equivalent framing of 150 mm, camera shake on the SLR presents a problem for the actual photograph, but not for viewing: the camera shake just moves the framing of the camera around the subject and my eye can stay focused on a steady subject in the center. However, camera shake on the OMD EM5ii makes the subject, the scene, and the framing all shake around in front of my eye (though of course turning on image stabilization helps).

I wonder if the real problem here is just the video lag on the EVF? Is all of this really not a problem on the mirrorless cameras of the past few years with faster EVFs?

To clarify my question, I've don't have a problem raising a camera to my eye and centering it on the subject with an SLR or binoculars or whatever. This is a new problem for me with a mirrorless camera (that is admittedly old technology now, bought very used).
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Aug 14, 2020 11:11:30   #
IDguy wrote:
I suspect your problem might be from the short delay for the EVF to power up. If your camera has a detector to switch from LCD to EVF that delay might be the cause. There might be a menu option to stop the switching and have the EVF come on when you turn the camera on.


Thanks, yeah the startup delay is definitely annoying. To deal with this I've kept the LCD turned around and closed/off, and when I'm raising the camera I have a hand motion I do in front of the EVF's sensor so that it's on when it reaches my eye.
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Aug 14, 2020 11:04:58   #
If you're looking with your eyes at a small bird in a wide field of leaves and branches and you have a telephoto lens with a very narrow angle of view, it is not possible to have perfect enough accuracy to lift up the camera and nail the subject, unless you keep your eye locked on the subject while lifting the camera/scope/binos/whatever to your eye. I'm saying that I've found that this doesn't work with my Em5-ii.

One difference between optics and an Evf: When you turn an EvF camera at slight angles the image pans accordingly. When you turn an optical scope or SLR slightly, if you keep your eye and head still, your eye can stay locked on the subject in the center of your eye's field of view even though the camera's framing has shifted. There are real physical differences in how one interacts with physical optics vs an EVF and in my limited experience I feel like this has been one of them.
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Aug 14, 2020 10:50:07   #
(juvenile red wing blackbird looking ratty as ever!)


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Aug 14, 2020 10:48:39   #
And for fun, a few of my rare amateur successes at photographing admittedly common birds...


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Aug 14, 2020 10:36:55   #
Hello! I have a question about that trick you do when using binoculars or an SLR with a telephoto lens, where you lock your eyes on your subject and then you raise your binos or camera to your eye. All you have to do is make sure your eyes stay focused on the subject and once the binos or camera are in place the subject will magically be right in the center of the frame. When I try this, however, with my Olympus Em5-ii and its electronic viewfinder, it never ever works; I always end up in some other random spot and have to pan and hunt around and search for it, which is often impossible. This is very frustrating because I like to just have a camera with me while walking or paddling and when I see something quickly raise it to my eye and shoot (which seems like it would be a common usage). Yes I know that if you have a zoom telephoto you can start zoomed out and then zoom in on your subject - I'd prefer to not have to do that. So, here are my questions to ponder, discuss, answer, or declare invalid:

1. Is there a name for this trick that would be useful in searching for more discussions on the internet? I have not yet found any.
2. Is this a problem just for the particular EVF on my Olympus, or is this problem common to all electronic viewfinders? I.e., does the raise-to-your-eye trick only work with physical optics like in an SLR?
3. Why have I not been able to find one single example of anyone complaining about this when discussing electronic viewfinders? Am I missing something?

I got this Em5-ii and telephoto lens used for dirt cheap, and I love the tiny form factor, but someday I hope to get a nicer camera. If this is a limitation to all electronic viewfinders, I might be inclined to avoid a mirrorless/EVF system (in that hypothetical future camera that I have yet to save up for).
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Jan 25, 2020 10:52:07   #
Amazing filling the frame so perfectly with those little wrens!
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Jan 24, 2020 08:43:55   #
planepics wrote:
Have no idea about Getman's. F.E is in downtown Ithaca on Seneca St. and is geared to commercial contractors. I've never lived in Ithaca. Just visit occasionally. During one visit for a family reunion several years ago (during a summer Olympics) several of us cousins went to a local organic restaurant that had a limited menu, mostly bean-based if I remember. I just looked it up on Google - the Moosewood Restaurant. They have at least one cookbook out and my sister-in-law has a copy. Ever been there? My dad's father was a painter at a defunct factory that made a WWI training aircraft that was recently restored to flying condition and then donated to a museum...the Thomas-Morse Scout, aka Tommy. There's a bunch of stuff on the web about it's reconstruction and flight. Someday I'm going to make it to Corning (pass it on the way from IL)
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Oh yeah, they restored that plane, flew it, and then made it the centerpiece of the new Tompkins Center for History and Culture building, in the History Center's museum. It's pretty cool ... there's still relatively fresh oil dripping from the engine!


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Jan 24, 2020 08:28:17   #
planepics wrote:
Welcome to the hog. I have an uncle who lives in Ithaca during the spring and fall and I visit occasionally (but it's a 13-14 hr drive). My dad also grew up there...went to school in Trumansburg and I've got a nice pic of Taughannock Falls on my wall. Thompkins Co. Airport is almost directly in line with my uncle's back porch and Cornell is off to the right. Beautiful area. Are you familiar with Finger Lakes Electric? It was my uncle's business and he passed it on to my cousin, who runs it now.
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Wow, small world - our house is a few blocks from Finger Lakes Electric!
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Jan 6, 2020 22:05:51   #
Great stories and amazing photos!
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Jan 6, 2020 22:01:39   #
penguin 123 wrote:
Hi Jeff


Hey "penguin 123" I think I know who you are!
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Jan 6, 2020 21:58:58   #
asaya wrote:
Welcome Jeff just up the road from you in Syracuse


Yay, Syracuse!
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