If you really wanted to get away from it you wouldn't have created another thread on the topic that has been beat to death recently.

Call it whatever you want, and others will do the same. In the course of a typical day how many people ask you what you call your cell phone or GARA?

If you walk into a store to buy one do you ask for a cell phone, or do you ask for mashed potatoes?

If you just want to continue this endless topic, that's OK too.

Here are links to over a dozen UHH threads on cell phones that might make interesting reading.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cell+phone+camera+site%3A+uglyhedgehog.com&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&ie=&oe=#spf=1569680781966
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In respond to Rongnongno's comment, "If you try to get good prints out of then your results will not be in par with what you get using a 'normal camera'.

I was watching a YouTube video yesterday from Jared Polin where he is talking about the new iPhone 11 Pro. Near the end he mentions the prints he is getting from his Cannon printer are very good in fact better than what he was seeing on the iPhone screen. So as I see it things are changing our world is changing.

My kids, nearly 50 years old, only use the cell phone for a camera. My biggest concern about cell phone photos is will these younger people ever have pictures of themselves for their Grand Children. I just don't think many people are printing their photos for family history.

Jared's iPhone review...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEjF8Ny4hHg

Still use quote reply. In the brief time you take to post, your comment may appear to mean something you did not intend. Using quote reply allows others to understand your comment in context.

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Having quickly reviewed the thread, I think you are struggling with this issue but also seem to be getting a grip on it sufficient to teach a how to course on cell phone photography at a community center.
While it was not clear at the outset, and took way too many pages to get detail out of you, it seems the course would be designed to help people trying to get the most out of the capabilities of their phones.
You will need to make sure that you are able to provide guidance to both Android and iPhone users.
Yes I know that there are more Android users than iPhone users, but in the US at least it is close to a 50/50 split. iPhone has a slightly higher market share while Android has a slightly higher use rate. The difference appears to have something to do with Android users keeping their phones longer.
But, anyway, you will need to choose camera apps that either operate on both platforms or have the similar capabilities.

Good luck and let us know how the course goes.

Sir;
Yes I did read her thread and clearly understood it plus I also read all the replies before I added mine. Normally I refrain from silly shit but today I did not. My offer to her is kindness and the benefit of the doubt.
I believe that kindness and respect goes farther than negative replies, unless you know something I do not know and prove me to be naive. If so, so what ? I offer kindness instead, what do I have to loose right ?
I offer this and let it go.
off to the beach brother and hope the OP gleaned something useful today. I think she did.
Peace bro.

Gail, what is the problem with your attitude and all the snarky (and mistaken) remarks? If this is the way you ask for advice on UHH and respond, I don’t think you’re going to be satisfied with the relationship.

Perhaps you better READ both your and my posts again - to wit: YOU said you had a 5D (not at 5D2, 5D3 or 5D4). The Canon 5D was introduced in 2005 - if you doubt that, look it up. And if you can’t get an exposure with it on the beach at night, then YOU better take a photography course. My son (who actually does teach photography) uses a 5D3 on the beach at night and gets some fabulous milky way shots along with the surroundings. I would post one so you can see how to do it, but after your responses, I wouldn’t waste my time.

Next, you should read my last post again. I said that UNLESS you use an ap to control the iPhone... I did NOT say you couldn’t completely control the Phone with an appropriate ap.

Now for the shots I posted as an example only (not as an example of fine work) - this is my new Abyssinian kitten in my breakfast room in dim light. I did not compose the shot carefully, just grabbed my IPhone for a SNAPHOT, and as you can see from the noise and lack off resolution, it wasn’t up to the task without a flash. Now the other shot was taken by my son, who inaddition to having taught photography for many years, works as a part-time Pro. He happened to be there and picked up my 5D4, which he had never touched before (he shoots a 5D3 and Fuji). It had a 135 f2L mounted and he grabbed a quick shot without changing the AF settings. it is not tack sharp as it would have been if the AF had been set correctly, but there’s nothing wrong with the composition. I was going to discard it, but cropped and posted it to show the contrast as to what the two cameras would do under difficult conditions.

Frankly, after reading your responses to me, I’m not sure why you posted a question in the first place as you obviously already know everything about photography, and since you apparently don’t know much about your 5D and it doesn’t work for you, then you better stick to your cellphone - it’s a perfect tool for a pro like you. Now unwatching, so save your rude response.

Still use quote reply. In the brief time you take to post, your comment may appear to mean something you did not intend. Using quote reply allows others to understand your comment in context.

also

Having quickly reviewed the thread, I think you are struggling with this issue but also seem to be getting a grip on it sufficient to teach a how to course on cell phone photography at a community center.
While it was not clear at the outset, and took way too many pages to get detail out of you, it seems the course would be designed to help people trying to get the most out of the capabilities of their phones.
You will need to make sure that you are able to provide guidance to both Android and iPhone users.
Yes I know that there are more Android users than iPhone users, but in the US at least it is close to a 50/50 split. iPhone has a slightly higher market share while Android has a slightly higher use rate. The difference appears to have something to do with Android users keeping their phones longer.
But, anyway, you will need to choose camera apps that either operate on both platforms or have the similar capabilities.

Good luck and let us know how the course goes.

I think after 15 pages, you would be, so I’ll sign off also.

I would just add that if you meant the original 5D, which is now 14 years old, sensor technology in the phone may very well be better, but here’s the difference. Unless you’ve downloaded an ap to allow you to control the phone’s shutter speed, it will keep the shutter open long enough to get an exposure (whether it’s useful or not), even if it’s seconds. You can do the same thing with the 5D if you keep the shutter open for long enough manually with very slow speed or by using bulb.

Hope some of the information that developed in the 15 pages proved useful.

Cheers