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May 15, 2019 13:06:38   #
Tom Daniels wrote:
Just another thought on street shooting. Hope I dont get in trouble
with the bickering about where comments belong.

You cannot sell stock companies any photos without clearance release
from the people recognizable in the picture.
I don't shoot children. Not these days. Years ago in Central Park you
could shoot families and kids and people smiled.
I worked with raising funds for the homeless. Would not shoot photos
of people in bad circumstances which their many in our country.
Would not shoot a mother breast feeding.
I have the RX10 600mm lens and go to the beach here in Florida.
And friend while we are sitting said "take a picture of her" a girl in a
bikini and I told him no.
Just another thought on street shooting. Hope I do... (show quote)


It's really kind of sad. And also ironic, when you consider how cameras (phones) and video cameras are literally everywhere now. It is difficult to go anywhere without being captured on someone's security camera. Yet we can no longer capture each other living life in candid moments. The world is getting a little uglier somehow.
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May 15, 2019 09:47:11   #
srt101fan wrote:
I'm not talking about free legal services. The government is the end user of the photos. It would seem reasonable for them to provide guidance re the need for model releases based on their intended use of the photos...


Right. I think we may be getting into the weeds a bit here. I will come an understanding with our client re: legal implications and proper usage prior to beginning the project work. My main purpose for tossing out the question here was to gather some potential knowledge from those here who had prior experience with projects shooting the public for public usage. I already have a reasonable idea of what is and is not usable. I guess I was just looking for confirmation and also whether there were any exceptions or loopholes for certain types of images and usages.
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May 15, 2019 09:26:58   #
dsmeltz wrote:
Errr... Government agencies are not supposed to provide free legal services to contractors. Contractors are expected to know their own business requirements and cover their own business costs.


What a perfect world that would be. LOL!
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May 14, 2019 17:01:30   #
LMurray wrote:
If I was a recognizable face, whether in a crowd or not, and I saw my face on the side of a bus or in a commercial whatever the topic, I'd better have been paid a modeling fee and signed a modeling release. If not I personally would be talking to my lawyer. On the other hand you might get away with it with many people who don't know any better, or are just pleased to see themselves in a picture. But safest to get model release's with a token payment, or use a professional model building a crowd of unrecognizable faces around them as needed. Why take a chance?
If I was a recognizable face, whether in a crowd o... (show quote)


Right. This is exactly my reason for concern. Better safe than sorry. I can tell you now, ain't nobody getting paid. If I can't get them to sign a release for free, we won't use it. But the truth is, I just don't have the time to go running after random citizens trying to talk them into signing something when they have better things to do than question my motives. It's not going to happen. So I'm probably looking at a lot of Photoshop work to alter and blur people out.
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May 14, 2019 15:32:32   #
srt101fan wrote:
So your company has a contract with a government agency, can't they provide the legal guidance and constraints for your shoots?


Possibly. It's worth looking into anyway. I think after I advise them of potential problems inherent with using photos of the public in this way they may kick it back to their legal department at which point, hopefully, I get a more definitive answer.
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May 14, 2019 14:57:41   #
Kiron Kid wrote:
You do not need model releases if you are not using the images for commercial, sales purposes. If so, model releases are mandatory.


Well, this is where it gets a bit tricky. You see, this client is a government agency providing public services -- transit to be exact. Most, if not all of these images will be used in marketing campaigns that are aimed at public education. How to ride transit, New bus lanes, Changes in services, Project information for a public meeting, etc. I don't know if this qualifies as a commercial usage or not. I tend to err on the side of caution in such cases. Just not sure.
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May 14, 2019 13:32:22   #
krl48 wrote:
I suggest you kick these questions upstairs in your marketing agency, where a lawyer or firm are likely to be on retainer to advise on questions exactly like yours.


Thanks for the advice, unfortunately my company is not big enough to have a legal department. When it comes to questions of this nature, we need to do our own research. Lacking anyone here with some good advice, I am going to stick with my current plan: Only show faces in large groups if you can't get the model releases. Option B would be to just go ahead and provide the client with what they want and add the disclaimer on shots showing people in close up or prominent, "Not Model Released. Use at your own risk."
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May 14, 2019 10:34:08   #
Thank you Earnest.
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May 14, 2019 09:54:32   #
Thanks Bob.
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May 14, 2019 09:46:23   #
So, I would like to tag onto this topic with a related issue/question: I am new to group and also kind of a newb to professional photography. In my job I am a graphic designer for a marketing agency. Some of my work requires me to do photography. I currently have an upcoming project working for a city agency in Baltimore that requires me to take quite a few street shots in and around downtown Baltimore. This is actually a repeat project. I did this for them once before in 2016 and they have decided to update their library with some new images. So out to the streets I go again.

My question involves rights of use. Last time I did this, I was aware of the need for model release forms when capturing people that may end up being used in advertising and other public forums. But that can be quite difficult when you are just walking around grabbing shots of random people. Previously, I erred on the side of caution and restricted most of my images to catching people from the rear. I avoided capturing faces. When a did get a face that featured prominently in one of my images, I would blur it in Photoshop. Now the client is telling me they want me to capture more people and see faces this time. I'm wondering if any of you know more about the rules for this sort of thing?

I've gotten some advice that says you can use a crowd shot that has many faces as long as you don't have one or more people featured prominently (as what you would call the subject of the image). If you want to feature faces prominently in an image, you need to get them to sign a model release form. Is this correct and/or what else should I know?
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May 14, 2019 09:31:02   #
Hello all,
Thanks in advance for allowing a newb to join in. I am a graphic designer and creative director at a marketing company. I do some professional photography as a part of my work, but I would consider myself an amateur photographer in terms of skills and experience. My strengths lie more in the areas of illustration, design and software apps, like Photoshop. But I would like very much to improve my photography skills. I have much to learn, which is my primary reason for joining this group. Hoping to soak up lots of great tips and info from all of you. Please go easy on me until I learn the ropes. Thanks again and I look forward to seeing you all around the forum.
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