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Apr 22, 2019 19:14:18   #
rickster wrote:
We all know how Windows love to "update" our Windows programs. Did anyone notice the changes to the Photo program included on Windows 10? Why did they take off the SAVE tab. Now all they offer is the SAVE AS, which means you need to go back and delete the unimproved photo as a separate step. Might not sound like a hassle, until you multiply it times thousands of photos. Any input in how to get the unimproved former version back would be appreciated. Or what photo program I should buy?? Thank you.
We all know how Windows love to "update"... (show quote)


There is a down arrow below the Save As- click to open Save!
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Apr 17, 2019 01:01:35   #
speters wrote:
I had no idea, mirrorless cameras taking over anything! I do know they do enjoy a bit of a comeback!


A novice's view, but a long-time photographer from Sports Illustrated that I met up during the Iditarod had a lot to say about mirrorless including that "everyone" at SI had ditched DSLR's, for work, some time back. An equally longtime veteran shooter for Australian Geographic recently ditched $50,000 worth of DSLR gear in favour of mirrorless.

Both guys gave the reason for the changeover as image quality. There is an extensive report from the NatGeo guy on this - don't have the link but it was a great read.

I have a Nikon 1 mirrorless & love it; & a DSLR & love the challenge of it. I couldn't afford to go "upscale" mirrorless so the DSLR is essential to what I'm working towards. Down here in the trenches it does feel like mirrorless is the future BUT only if you can afford it!
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Apr 17, 2019 00:19:11   #
old hippy wrote:
A luna moth along my path
_DSC5965-Edit by ed brown, on Flickr


Hi Ed, this is superb; it epitomises your tagline. I will be one happy, lucky person if I ever achieve this level of beauty in a photograph. Dione.
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Apr 7, 2019 22:05:00   #
Just spent 18 months on a sailboat cruising & cycling Japan. If I had to recommend just one place outside Tokyo & Kyoto it would be Hiroshima & Miyajima (Itsukushima Jinja) which is a cheap short ferry ride from Hiroshima. If you had a week to wander about then it would be Miyajima Prefecture in SE Kyushu. Google what's there - unbelievable variety, beauty, history & culture (& Nagasaki is not so far off - the 21 temple walk back of the city there is incredible); trains are a snap everywhere but with a car it's dead easy as well - we had no trouble with road signs or in-car nav - all very simple.
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Apr 7, 2019 20:53:20   #
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Of course, accurate exposure is important- it's bordering on silly to think otherwise. If you are serious about your photography you need to understand all the basics and essentials and exposure is definitely part of the basic and essential technical elements.

Think about this- You have a beautifully composed image which is perfectly focused. The exposure is seriously incorrect so you have badly affected the dynamic range of your image. Important details and textures in the highlights or shadows are missing. You put the file into your software and you now need Houdini to try and resurrect a decent image quality. You then spend hours on your computer and the image never appears as you envisioned it.

So many folks say, as photographic artists, we are "painting with light" and the appreciation of light is more important than exposure. That makes no sense! So...if you were a painter would you not need to understand the technicalities of mixing and applying paints, proportions of colors and pigments, measurements of quantities of pigments, vehicles and methodologies of application. As an artistic photographer, shouldn't you fully understand how to measure and quantify light and how it effects and affects the film or the sensor in your camera?

Come on folks, the exposure triangle, or whatever theory you like, ain't rocket science. An exposure meter or the metering system in your camera is not like the controls on the flight deck of a jet aircraft. Basic daylight exposure can be learned from an instruction sheet. The more sophisticated situations require some study, practice, and experience. Practice is important. Even a simple method of bracketing exposure and assessing the results is a great learning experience.

Yes, there are times when expression, grabbing critical action and circumstances trump exact exposure. Otherwise, what's the rush- if you are shooting a landscape, still life, or a formal portrait- what's the rush- why can't y'all take some time to get the right exposure settings. Once you get the hang of it, it will become second nature. You do not have to become so overly preoccupied with exposure that you miss out on everything else. When you are good at it- it will come easily.

With today's photographic technology, there are many wonderful automated functions that help us achieve technical excellence. If you understand the rudiments of exposure, you can learn how to best apply all of these features, you will know how to override and modify them when necessary and be able to operate your camera in manual mode for full control.

As I alluded to in my first paragraph, "SERIOUS" is the operative word. If you just want to enjoy your photography in a strictly casual manner, and there is nothing wrong with that, the fully-automatic modes will work for you- so just set it and forget it.

This business of professionals "worrying" about time etc. is utter nonsense. Professionals and experienced amateurs don't need to "worry" about anything. We understand, light, time, art, and composition. Good amateurs want fine results as do professionals. The only difference is that if professionals don't consistently deliver fine results, we don't eat!
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Hi Ed - a voice of sanity in the wilderness. This topic first posed the issue this way:

"Many folks here say or imply that getting the "correct" exposure is a must if you want to get good images. Many will add that you have to shoot in "manual" to get control of the camera and get that "correct" exposure. I'm wondering what message this sends to newcomers."

As some may remember, I'm very new to a type of photography where I make decisions about how to make an image. Many here advised me that understanding composition & exposure were key to capturing good images in camera. The triangular diagram used to explain the relationships between ISO, shutter speed & aperture seemed easy to follow & easy to remember. The message this advice sent me was invaluable- it made total sense to me that if I good get a good exposure in Manual I could get one in any other mode, so for me a recommendation to switch to Manual was fine. It doesn't make me feel "superior" to use Manual - I shoot totally alone - I'm on my own, learning on my own, with help from UHH members - there's no-one to feel superior to, even if I was that way inclined (very hard t image how a newcomer would ever feel that way though). Thanks to the advice I received here I feel more in control in the areas I'm working on & I'm loving what I'm doing.

Other newcomers may feel aperture priority is a better place to start. I think floating various options is fine - people will decide for themselves. Same with suggesting novices take a look at the triangular diagram used to show relationships between the elements of exposure - some people will appreciate the tool; others will already "get it" - intuitively. I'm a graphical thinker, so it worked for me. I don;t need it anymore - it's pretty much reflex now, what to change & why; but that's thanks to all the advice I had from you guys - & the time I had to try things out & see what worked for me.

PS: hope you keep posting Ed, you're needed. Dione.
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Apr 2, 2019 14:47:59   #
PixelStan77 wrote:
Taken at "Out of Africa" photo workshop last month in Camp Verde Arizona. Looks like he did not like my D800. He growled MMMMIIIIOOORRRRRROOOR LESSSSSSS

Handheld so I could escape.

Camera: Nikon D800
Lens: Nikon 200-500 mm f/5.6
Shot at 500 mm
Exposure: Auto exposure, Aperture-priority AE, 1/6,400 sec, f/10, ISO 2000, Compensation: -1/3


Hi - super shot; was wondering about the settings though - as a novice, just trying to learn. Not saying there is any noise, but wondering whether lower ISO and slower shutter would also work this well, or is there a reason for this type of set-up? Thanks in advance.
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Mar 31, 2019 21:35:01   #
olemikey wrote:
Instead of the "Exposure Triangle" of my yesteryears, my current digital photography "triangle" is relatively equally weighted: = Focus / Exposure / Post Process, all done to achieve my intended situational Composition (what's in "my mind's eye") and frame filling, captured vision of the selected scene. I love SOOC, and all forms of "Auto & Scene Recognition", but more often than not, each time I come back to an SOOC/Auto shot, I'm tweaking it in PP, to polish/finalize the capture.

I shoot mostly Manual, followed by AP - Why? I grew up on film and manual cameras, understand composition and light, know what my intent is, so it just feels natural for me - YMMV. Do I use the rest of the dial when the convenience is helpful, or situation begs it, of course, as well as all the other features and capabilities of my equipment that fit the situation. At this age/stage of my development, Composition is ingrained and it seems my eyes/mind know what the light meter is going to tell me, where "auto" is going to take me, what shutter speed I need, etc. etc.

There is a plethora of great insight in this thread (and many others over time), when you read and digest the information, and put together all the better points and explanations (without naming and quoting all the great contributors), the question is answered (to me).
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Hi Mike - I'm of much the same mind as you - focus 1st, then exposure, then pp, all as parts of the overall composition, only I don't have the "muscle memory" yet for how light & shadow will turn out and pp is proving tougher to get a handle on ATM than the camera was! What an adventure. Agree - great topic though. D
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Mar 30, 2019 23:03:59   #
I'm a novice, just 6 months off full Auto & 1st time with a DSLR, so my opnions don't usually matter uch here, but since this topic seems aimed at the needs of novices, here's my 2 cents. I went to Manual with auto WB straight from full Auto precisely so I could learn the roles of aperture, ISO & shutter speed in making a good exposure. I figured if I could do that on a regular basis, I'd know when & why to use aperture or shutter priority.

6 months later I find I can make good exposures but what send most shots to the Trash is focus.

Ignoring the choice of artistic soft focus effects, it's very clear to me that without great focus I'm not going to end up with a good result no matter what I do, before or after the shot.

I'm finding it vastly more difficult to get a handle on a 51-point AF system than I did the exposure triangle, WB & composition.
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Mar 29, 2019 17:24:43   #
Elements 2019, no internet much of the time!
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Mar 25, 2019 17:31:24   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Founded in 1565 by Spanish explorers, St. Augustine is the oldest continuously inhabited European-established settlement within the borders of the continental United States. The city served as the capital of Spanish Florida for over 200 years. It was designated as the capital of British East Florida when the colony was established in 1763, until the British colony was ceded back to Spain in 1783.

St Augustine Pier by Paul Sager, on Flickr


Kodak Portra is a family of daylight-balanced professional color negative films originally introduced in 1998 and made primarily for portrait and wedding applications. The color negative film offers a smooth and natural color palette that is balanced with vivid saturation and low contrast for accurate skin tones and consistent results. The film is also well-suited for nature, travel, and outdoor shooting with moving subjects, or when the lighting cannot be controlled. Online sources recommend shooting at ISO-200 rather than 400.

Officially named the St. Johns County Ocean Pier, the St. Augustine Beach Pier is located on Anastasia Island in the city of St. Augustine Beach. It is located on one of Florida's most historic coasts.

St Augustine Pier


Spain ceded Florida to the United States in 1819, and St. Augustine was designated the capital of the Florida Territory upon ratification of the Adams-OnĂ­s Treaty in 1821. Florida remained an organized territory of the United States until 1845, when it was admitted into the Union as the State of Florida.

St Augustine Pier


Henry Flagler, a co-founder with John D. Rockefeller of the Standard Oil Company, spent the winter of 1883 in St. Augustine and found the city charming, but considered its hotels and transportation systems inadequate. Flagler had the idea to make St. Augustine a winter resort for wealthy Americans from the north, and to bring them south, he bought several short line railroads and combined these in 1885 to form the Florida East Coast Railway

St Augustine Pier


In 2015, St. Augustine celebrated the 450th anniversary of its founding with a four-day long festival and a visit from Felipe VI of Spain and Queen Letizia of Spain.

St Augustine Pier


These images combine scanned results from Kodak Portra 400 in an EOS 1v and digital images from an EOS 5DIII. The EF 35mm f/1.4L and EF 50mm f/1.2L lenses were used interchangeable between the two camera bodies.

The images are sized to fill your wide-screen display. Try using <F11> to maximize your browser window for the full effect. If the images overshoot your display, such as a laptop, just click on the image or the URL link and they'll resize to your screen from the host Flickr site. You can click a bit further into the image details on the Flickr page, if desired. EXIF data is available from the host Flickr pages as well. On the Flickr site, use your <L>key for Large and the <F11> for the full-screen.

If the images are not filling your widescreen display due to recent UHH changes, follow this link and update your UHH profile: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-572300-1.html
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Hey Paul, thanks for posting these pics & history - it's interesting as a visitor to learn things like this. I'm unfamiliar with the camera & film info but I was most drawn to the 1st image. The light on the pier posts, hinting at a bright sunset low to the right out of shot, and the overall tones of the pier being so well reflected in the tones of the wave breaking between the posts, bottom left - these elements attracted my attention. I also love the shell-encrusted pier base. I tried zooming super-close to shoot just the shells in a similar view one time & the overall effect was great (well, I liked it but danged if I can find it now!).

One question, the grain in the top 2 shots - is that from scanning a photo, or slide, or is that from film, or...? Happy Monday!! D.
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Mar 24, 2019 18:06:41   #
abc1234 wrote:
If you read my very long post, you will see I am in substantial agreement with RG who is one of the very best contributors here. He does mention two important things. The HSL panel is great for modifying colors. I refer to it as the poor man's polarizer because it does such a great job on skies. The other point is that once you get used to editing raw's you will hate doing jpg's. They have such less latitude because they have fewer data that the raw's. That is why I do not shoot them unless I am traveling and want to share immediately.

I tend to leave the saturation alone. I usually get what I want through clarity, dehaze, tonal range and contrast. You can go overboard very quickly with saturation. Vibrance tends to be gently and more natural. Some people may use saturation to adjust color balance but I do not.
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Hi & thanks for posting - so kind of you to help out! Can you explain a little what is vibrancy & how does it differ from the other adjustments you mentioned? Thanks, D.
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Mar 24, 2019 18:01:45   #
abc1234 wrote:
Welcome to the glorious world of post-processing. I am delighted to read a post about post-processing and from someone who wants a good, direct picture. Knowing where you want to go is extremely important. You need to develop your own photographic sensibility so look at many, many pictures, even ones that are a century old. You will learn a lot.

You can simplify your workflow. Forget about the Nikon software and jpg's. Take your raw's directly into PSE. I disagree slightly with RG and I will get into that in my specific response to his post. Here is my workflow with LR. I file my raw's by date: Year>00 month year>shoot number for the month and subject. Once imported, I assign keywords immediately. These include location and subject such as person, object and event. No one likes doing this but it sure helps when you are looking for that needle in the haystack. Apply the right camera and lens profiles.

Unlike RG, I first straighten and take a preliminary crop. Then, I am back on track with RG.

PS Color balance should be inserted here. I use the XRite ColorChecker or ExpoDisc and then apply to all similar lighting situations.

1. Exposure, clarity, tonal range, contrast, dehaze and similar controls. Raw's are usually flat compared to SOOC jpg's so I first add clarity +30 and medium contrast tonal range. A bit of dehaze may also help. These are merely starting points. You must figure out what works best with your equipment and personal style. I also use my own presets but do not know if PSE has them.

2. This step involves local adjustments. My most often used tool is the radial filter then the linear gradient, adjustment brush and spot removal tool. These are the real power of LR and, I presume, PSE. Once you are comfortable with the global adjustments, learn these.

3. Straighten non-parallel lines.

4. Remove noise and sharpen. I do not do a lot here but just in case. My go-to sharpening tool is the shake reduction filter in PS. I do not know if PSE has it. I also like the high-pass filter.

5. Review the edits and redo as appropriate. Recrop, if necessary, to the final aspect ratio if printing. Do not otherwise resize.

6. I often apply a slight negative vignette, usually between -10 and -20, to make the subject stand out more.

7. If I am exporting, I usually increase the exposure by 2/3 of a stop since my jpg's are consistently a little dark. I export either to a folder called email which I use to send to friends or to the print folder.

I also assign stars to track my progress. 1, reject, and move to the reject folder under the shoot folder. 2, unused. 3, to be reviewed again later for processing or rejecting. 4, done. 5, either outstanding or for printing. You can set LR to advance automatically after setting a star.

Between RG and me, you should be off to the races. Be patient and post your pictures here for advice. Good luck and enjoy.
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Hi & thanks for an awesome post - super generous of you to help. I hope it's OK, but I need to gather as much info as I can before I lose web access (see earlier post, this topic) & wondered whether you could explain the following, just so I can put the info into a guide to use as I progress:

1. Are XRite ColorChecker & ExpoDisc separate software to PSE - do I use them 1st, during or are they part of a PSE workflow?

2. When you say "apply to all similar lighting situations" do you mean I can set macros or presets in PSE to do the same task over many times?

3. How do you tell whether an image needs more clarity, tonal range, contrast or de-haze (what's the difference between them; eg, are de-haze & clarity the same thing?

4. In the pp context, is 'tonal range' the balance of colours in an image, or.......?

5. Is 'contrast' the balance between bright & shadow (or........) & how does contrast relate to colour saturation (if it does!!)?

6. What does a radial filter do?

7. What does linear gradient mean?

8. What does an adjustment brush adjust?

Boy, I sound like a 5 year old asking why? why? why? - sorry!! Whatever you have time to answer is totally fine - I get it that everyone has another life!! Thanks again, D.
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Mar 24, 2019 17:46:16   #
R.G. wrote:
Basic editing can be condensed into four main areas:-

1) Brightness levels and contrast.

2) Colour and saturation.

3) Sharpening and denoise.

4) Cropping and straightening.


1 to 3 are the sort of editing that jpegs get in-camera.

As a very general rule the adjustments should be done in the order given. Some might say that cropping and straightening should be done first, but sometimes the ideal crop doesn't become apparent until the edit is under way, so it's best to leave your timing options open. However, colour strength changes as brightness and contrast levels change, so it's a good idea to get brightness/contrast sorted first. Sharpening/denoise can interfere with your ability to make selections, so there's something to be said for leaving sharpening/denoise till late on in the edit (they should always be done together).

Beyond that you have things like cloning, changing backgrounds etc (which I would describe as a step beyond basic).

WB and Tint can be used to make global colour adjustments whereas the HSL tool can be used to adjust individual colours. Saturation can be adjusted globally, or each colour can be adjusted separately in the HSL section.

Many adjustments can be applied locally to specific problem areas. For example, extra sharpening and/or denoise can be applied where they're needed. Another common example is areas which require extra brightening of the shadows or darkening of the highlights.

With #4, cropping and straightening are the only two geometric adjustments that are likely to be a recurring requirement, but there are other less basic possibilities such as perspective/lens distortion corrections, stretching and tilting.

As a starting point I would recommend concentrating on 1-4. Since you've expressed a desire to know about PP I would recommend working with the raw files. The down side is that they need to be edited from scratch whereas jpegs can often be OK straight out of camera (SOOC) because of the in-camera processing that they get. However, when you edit jpegs you spend a lot of time dealing with their more restrictive limitations and annoying jpeg artefacts. Hope this helps.
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Hi RG, great post - thanks!! Could you elaborate on the difference between Sharpening & Clarity; what is "HSL" (is that a Lightroom thing?) & what is a "JPEG artefact" - very new to it all!! Thanks, D.
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Mar 24, 2019 17:39:42   #
Many thanks to all - a remarkable group of generous folk for sure. The straight-forward, concise guidance you have all provided - well you just can't buy that. I will copy everything into a set of notes to get started with.

I think I will take the same approach as I did when I joined UHH just a few months ago. Back then I had never used anything other than Auto & I simply decided to jump into Manual only, 'til I could achieve good exposures most of the time (I figured that if I could do that, I'd know enough to know when & why to use aperture or shutter priority). PP seems similar - until now I've ignored the raw's due to ignorance; now, I think I can ignore the JPEG's while I learn pp. That will meaning getting a handle on re-sizing as well, as the raw's are too big to post.

To answer one question, I learn best one-on-one & I have limited 'net access, so UHH is perfect to get started. On April 15 the sailboat is re-floated & we head back to sea around May 1st; then I will have to be guided mostly by books, as we won't have reliable internet access again until October (I will have time for pp practise though!).

Thanks again to all for such great starting guidance - you're all wonderful!! D.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:36:51   #
Hi, new to PP (nearly as new to photography). Thanks to Linda for bringing up the PP section - I would have tried it sooner had I any clue at all (it feels like going to a meeting of race car drivers & not even being able to drive a car at all), but Linda's encouragement has brought me here.

It's evident I need to learn PP. I know I want natural-looking images - I like to try to show what I saw & tried to capture in the camera. I don't want to create super-saturated colours, grim skies, halos around things, etc. I have a 15.6" laptop right now (1920x1080) & PSE 2019.

My process is: download RAW's & JPEGS to Nikon ViewNXi; save each file type into separate directories named for the location of the shoot; view each JPEG & delete all the fails; then as needed, straighten, crop, lighten shadows & dial down highlights & that's about it (none of this in PSE - I haven't figured it out yet). I don't delete RAW files in case I can save some. So far I have only played with 1 RAW file.

I'd get into PP more if I knew how to approach it properly, so that's my question: how should a novice (given my preferences for what I see as a natural look) approach the pp task? How do people get started, what's a good process to follow? Thanks as usual to everyone.
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