[quote=btbg]Here's the counterpoint to your claim:
https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/articles/2024/new-analysis-reveals-many-excess-deaths-attributed-to-natural-causes-are-actually-uncounted-c****-**-deaths/It appears that the C***D deaths were undercounted in rural areas; also understand that C***D is still k*****g people. I got it in January - I still have breathing issues. But disease counts are often misleading in my opinion.
Patient A catches the flu, he goes to the hospital, the disease puts a strain on his weakened heart, he dies of congestive hart failure. Is the cause heart failure or the flu?
Let's make it a little tougher - true story. My cousin who I grew up with contacts me as the hospital her sick husband is going to screwed up a diagnosis. I'm a volunteer peer counselor at a major hospital. I get him in to see a specialist - diagnosis non-small cell lung cancer. He starts treatment chemo/radiation gets exposed to C***D, his lungs which were stressed failed - C***D or cancer? Taking it further, his wife, my cousin, is so stressed out dies of a stroke several months later. The stroke k**led her, but didn't C***D have a role? The latter would never be reported.
If you really, really want to blame somebody - look no further than the Chinese. They down-played and let it spread. Our politicians, yes Mr. Trump, other Republicans and other Democrats downplayed as well. The CDC used to be a job that was a non-political appointment, now it is. Maybe that should change.
Will we ever know the true C***D total ? I don't think so. But if we have any common sense maybe we should reconsider the Bush/Obama p******c plans and be a bit more prepared.
[quote=travelwp]The highly publicized Trump trial.
Here's the Indictment:
https://manhattanda.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Donald-J.-Trump-Indictment.pdfMaking it simple so you understand - falsifying business records.
Probably tax fraud as well. The Trumper allegedly played hide the salami with a Porn Star had his attorney pay for and he reimbursed said attorney as a business expense. Trump says he didn't. Said Porn Star gave a pretty good description of his equipment. Easily solved if Trump drops his drawers and her description matches.
Give another example if you don't understand - you own a business you hire an escort for a night of pleasure and the fee you deduct as a business expense. That's falsifying business records at the minimum.
He allegedly had someone else pay off the Playboy model.
Alleged to have both not come out before the e******n. That's illegal too.
BTW Isn't the Republican Party about Family Values?
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Thank you for the additional comments. It appears no matter how factual our responses might be without disparaging these guys it is a waste of our time. Dennis and Rac seem to just standby and wait all day to try to bully their way through facts. It is their way, or the highway. If you disagree, you have to be a liberal. Most of us I would think have better things to do than sit on your butt and throw verbal stones at others.
The sad thing here is that I've previously posted that 70% of Americans don't want either Trump or Biden - I'm one of them. I think both are too old and have too much baggage. I was an executive before I retired and had indirect contact with both of them. Biden is a typical blowhard politician, who road the train from Wilmington to Washington daily - colleagues advised he was full of it then and still is.
But I dealt with Trump through clients when he was in Atlantic City and knew of him when he was in NY. He was and is an immoral, self-entitled person that will go down in history as one of the worst, if not the worst, President in our nation's history. He is, at his heart a salesman, selling "his brand." He is the worse kind though, unable or unwilling to accept his mistakes and blunders - he cannot tell anyone bad news, if he does, it is someone else's fault. I dealt with guys like him at a senior level for 40+ years and had generally had the task of straightening out the wake of destruction they left behind. Unfortunately, if elected again, we will see an unprecedented screw up of this nation.
What is sad is that all of Trump's supporters that support his agenda don't realize is that behind their backs, Trump is laughing at the "suckers" who believe his line of BS. General Kelly's remarks that "President Trump “is the most flawed person he's ever known," should give anyone paused. He worked with Trump daily.
My 2cents - I'm sure that the misguided, ill educated, ill informed and ill mannered duo will continue their rants - we should just consider the source. For the rest of you have a good day - I have work to do.
[quote=dennis2146]Bleach is the one of the most common disinfectants when it comes to k*****g micro organisms.
Disinfectants are by their very nature are toxic to life. In lab jargon, when a site is to be disinfected, most understand you mean bleach Why - because it's cheap and effective. If you get someone to inject or inject disinfectant - it is poison and that person will become very ill at the least, but more probably dead. On many disinfectant bottles you will find "Not Fit For Human Consumption." You and Rac hear but you simply do not listen.
The first rule of medicine is "do no harm;" hence the look at Trump by the doctor.
Here's a dialogue between the doctor and a reporter after she wrote her book - description was Trump's comment was "Bonkers." Both the reporter and the doctor stated it.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2022/05/14/birx-trump-disinfectant-reaction-reflection-acostanr-sot-vpx.cnnThe brilliance of Ronald Reagan was that he picked the very best in every field to advise him so he could make the best decision. Trump listens to just about no one.
And yes, I am wasting my time.
Blurryeyed wrote:
I assure you that I live better than you do...... My living quarters and a few from the hood.
Completely off topic Blurry - beautiful home and great photos. One of the best scenery I've seen in a move was "The Last of the Mohicans" with Daniel Day-Lewis filmed in the mountains of North Carolina. Congrats on living in an absolutely beautiful location.
Mike Pinder died the other day. Mike was a founder of the group The Moody Blues – I wasn’t a fan at the time of their inception. The group was later joined by Justin Hayward in I think 1967. I was a college prep student in high school graduating in 1968. I wasn’t into music that much; I was much more interested in getting the money to attend college. But in that year before I graduated a friend introduced me to the album “Days of Future Passed,” with the song “Nights in White Satin.” The group brought into the concept of an accompanying orchestra; I was hooked. Mike was one of the first in rock to use the Mellotron which duplicated many of the sounds of an orchestra. Hayward wrote the song, but Pinder’s voice is heard at the end of the song reciting Graeme Edge’s poem “Late Lament.” The song has never lost it’s magic to me. Here is a copy of his obituary:
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/mike-pinder-the-moody-blues-keyboardist-founding-member-dead-obit-1235010490/
Unfortunately they all seem to be too common now.
I just mentioned to Rac, read The Premonition which advises the course of events. Cuomo and Newsom both blew it, but Trump knew how virulent the disease was and had spreader events. He admitted he downplayed the disease. He had the knowledge first and pretty much ignored it until it got bad. The Dems acerbated the contagion, but the first fault was Trump.
There were p******c plans in place, the best being the Bush plan imo; he ignored them. Had Trump followed them, the damage could have been reduced. Example - people were restricted coming into the country, but were unrestricted in dispersing to other areas while ill. That spread the disease as well.
In lieu of an antiv***l or vacine, isolate to prevent the spread. If you read either the Bush or Obama plans, that's what it tells you - it didn't happen.
Racmanaz wrote:
More BS lefty lies, even Dr. F***i said Trump did everything. He asked him to do an early on. You guys went after Trump when he wanted to put the ban on China travel saying that he was r****t.
Usual Rac BS Deflect, call the person a lefty, or a liar. Reality is neither left or right.
I'll try to make it simple for you - think of contagion as a row of upright dominoes maybe a thousand or so. Trump allows the first to fall, then it hits the next and so on; Biden comes in and the only way to stop the dominoes from falling is to push the next ones out of the way. Unfortunately, the only way to stop v***ses from spreading is isolation, antiv***ls or v******tions. Only C***d is even more virulent, if a person withC***d walks in a room, three people catch it and so on So instead of one line of dominoes, it goes to three, and each of those go to 3.
F***i had to go along with Trump or be fired, same with the rest of the group. If you disagree with Trump, even if you are right, you are gone. Plus he should have retired a long time ago. Suggest you read The Premonition which gives the story of how public health officials tried to tell the politicians to prepare. If the big words are beyond you, maybe you can get someone to read it to you. It won't be on Instagram.
Racmanaz wrote:
More people died from C***d complications in Biden’s first year than Trump’s last year
Possibly one of your most i***tic statements yet, C***d is an infectious disease. Trump mishandled C***d's entry in the US - failing to institute p******c protocols that both the Bush and Obama administrations had put together. Remember his "One day it will just go away;" it hasn't. He held inside rallies that were spreaders and admitted later that he knew the disease was highly infectious. Estimates that I previously cited in this forum stated that 30,000+ individuals caught C***d from these rallies and at least 700 died. Look up the legal term "depraved indifference," you probably won't find it on Instagram.
Then you have Trump while he has C***d insisting that his Secret Service guys give him a ride - each one of them caught it.
School teachers had to tell students, particularly those mentally challenged, not to ingest bleach as it would harm them - how do I know that? My oldest daughter is a special ed teacher.
Once the genii is out of the bottle, it's the fault of the guy that opened the bottle in this case, Trump. Do you honestly believe that while one guy leaves that the germs stop spreading? Wait for the new guy, then start up again. Moronic, Rac.
Suggest you go and read about how infectious disease work. Also try to pick up a book on Logic for Dummies. Did you get your GED at the same time as Boebert?
NASA and NOAA certainly did not help the cause by fudging data, another saying is "Figures don't lie, but liars figure." The current data appears to be correct, but if you don't believe that talk to the people on low-lying islands that are already losing land because of the rising waters from melting ice-caps:
https://www.worldatlas.com/climate/8-countries-that-could-vanish-due-to-c*****e-c****e.htmlOr you might do what I've done since you are in a photography forum - I spoke to guys that lead other photographers to the Arctic and Antarctica who universally have said that the ice packs are dramatically less than when they first started doing the tours.
The whole problem reminds me of when Rachel Carson published Silent Spring. Plenty of deniers, but she turned out to be right.
Many years ago as a grad student I wrote a paper on land pollution. A friend used it to develop some insurance coverages at his company. I'm sure I'm not even a foot note now. My boss got wind of it and the next thing I know I'm meeting with executives that were buying a property for a new plant in Massachusetts. The EPA had just started. An adjacent property about a quarter of a mile down the road had heavy metals and other junk dumped there. I was asked how much in danger their proposed site was to the contaminants. I got the details on the property, how long the dump was there, from location I had a rough idea of the soil and made a phone call to learn the average rainfall did my calculations on my trusty HP calculator and said ok - ask your questions. The question was: Will the new property become contaminated from the dump? I showed them my figures and said that it was already contaminated and the contamination was at least two miles down the road. They did soil samples based on my notes - my prediction, if anything was conservative. People thought that environmental crap was BS at the time Guess what, it wasn't.
As I said before, whether it is natural or manmade, it is getting warmer. Deniability is easy, predicting the future is very hard - you have to sort through the BS of the researchers and the real BS of the politicians. The situation in my opinion is real. If we do nothing or plan nothing it is not you or I or our generation that will suffer - it will be our children and grandchildren.