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Jun 13, 2017 16:44:52   #
rook2c4 wrote:
The software-driven, robotic systems available on the market nowadays are far more compact and make such elaborate, unwieldy contraptions with springs and balancing counter-weights practically obsolete.


True but they are also very expensive so if you are on a tight budget and the diy gets you what you need it's sometimes the best option.
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Jun 12, 2017 18:32:16   #
jamesl wrote:
Yes. I just liked the way he worded it.




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Jun 12, 2017 18:24:21   #
jamesl wrote:
A friend of mine back in the late 80's or early 90's used a formula where he took the cost and doubled it, then doubled it again and then added on the cost. It sounds odd but it worked well for him and ha made a lot of sales. I guess it would allow you to have a 50% off sale and still make out OK.


Isn't that the same as just saying he charged 5 times his cost (or 500%)?
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Jun 12, 2017 00:38:56   #
anotherview wrote:
False question. The image for review in the camera monitor and the related information provide valuable feedback to a photographer. He can make quick adjustments to settings or to his position in relation to the subject from his review of this information.

This photog senses that the sneering at others who look at this visual feedback comes from old-line photographers who did film photography. They had to wait hours if not days for their photographs to receive development and become available before they could review the results. So they had to make a greater effort to set their camera and lens for a good exposure under the given conditions.

Apparently, these oldtimers believe photographers in the digital age should undergo a similar restraint by limiting information today as in the film era. Yet who sane and sensible rejects pertinent facts and information for improving results?

My bias here arises from my learning curve for photography involving much review of the information displayed in the camera monitor.

Further, due to computerization, the camera also records a boatload of other information for each photograph. Digital photography has given a boon to photographers who want and use the available photographic information.
False question. The image for review in the camer... (show quote)


None of your statement makes sense. Photographers who think chimping is a bad habit aren't saying don't review your images or use the information that tools such as the histogram can provide. That isn't what chimping is. It's very simple; chimping is when you take a picture, immediately take the camera away from your eye to look at it on the back of your camera, take another picture, take it away from your eye to check it on the back of your camera again, every (or nearly every) time you take a picture. Taking a shot at the beginning of a series to check your histogram and make sure you didn't accidentally set something wrong, and then occasionally checking to make sure everything is still going well or to review some shots with a model or client isn't chimping.
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Jun 11, 2017 18:23:28   #
GENorkus wrote:


Have you ever heard of tethering? Isn't that a form of what others call chimping? Truth be known, those who use tethering have probably sunk so much cash into their system, it would be embarrassed to simply call it chimping.


Although you could chimp your tethered shots, tethering itself isn't the same thing as chimping. Tethering is done to be able to speed up the review process but you still don't normally check each photo after every single shot when shooting tethered unless an assistant is monitoring the shots as you take them.
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Jun 11, 2017 18:15:53   #
MontanaTrace wrote:
I shoot real estate photos in northwest Montana. Some drives are 6 hours round trip. Go back because I didn't look to see how the photo looks? Crazy!

That's like play poker and betting on your hole cards, without looking. Sure way to throw away your money.


It's situational, you don't really have any negatives from chimping in your situation. However you could also just review your shots on a laptop before leaving your location. This would be even better as you could verify their quality much easier on the larger laptop screen. Reviewing images is completely different than chimping.
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Jun 11, 2017 14:18:42   #
sirlensalot wrote:
DSLR - yes. Mirrorless - not needed.


Yeah, it's a huge advantage of mirrorless. I have mirrored and mirrorless systems and it's one of the reasons I prefer my mirrorless system.
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Jun 11, 2017 13:43:06   #
I've had no problems printing 16x20s and that's off an Olympus em-5. It's largely going to depend on the quality of the specific file or image rather than the camera. If you were forced to shoot at a very high iso in poor lighting conditions then it probably won't print large very well but otherwise it isn't a problem. If you are someone that can't stand any noise at all then even a "full frame" sensor probably wouldn't cut it. I actually like the noise pattern in Olympus cameras. Keep in mind that the larger the print the further away the viewer will be standing. An 8x10 can actually show more noise than a 16x20 since the 8x10 would be viewed inches away whereas larger prints will be viewed from a few feet away.
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Jun 11, 2017 13:34:02   #
Kmgw9v wrote:
Why is it considered a bad habit? What is the downside? Should one feel guilt at some level for doing it?


It all depends on what you are shooting and how much time you have to capture your subject. Keep in mind chimping is usually considered checking every single (or nearly) shot right after you take it, not an occasional check. It's not a problem to chimp if your subject is static and unchanging but there are instances where it can really hurt you.

If you are photographing a person it really breaks up the connection you have with them and you risk missing great poses or expressions while chimping. It takes you out of the scene, not concentrating on your subject. Whenever you are chimping, that might be the time the best shot had occurred and you would have missed it. It can even be a problem for landscapes. If you have a scene with rapidly changing light you might miss the best shot while chimping. Certainly for wildlife it would be a problem, or sports, or really anything with action.

Again, this doesn't mean checking your images when there is a pause or break. That's totally fine and useful. Also, checking your histogram occasionally is very helpful. If you are dependent on chimping to know if you are getting your exposure correct for every shot though you probably need to work on your camera and photography skills because you probably aren't very good with exposure, reading your scenes light levels, metering, and understanding the dynamic range of your camera.
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Jun 11, 2017 04:49:22   #
I'm another m43 user (among other systems). Although I have other equipment if I need something I can't get out of my m43 it's my favorite system to use on a regular basis.
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Jun 11, 2017 04:21:36   #
It looks like a video rig, not for still photography.
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May 29, 2017 04:53:10   #
bdk wrote:
This was shot on a tripod, wired remote, VR off, at 44mm at ISO64, 2 sec exposure and F32, I chose F32 because I wanted the hill to be in focus and the rocks in front also in focus . The only thing I wanted to be blurry ( silky) was the water.

I do not like how the dead leaves on the hill came out....to me they look off or blurry or something.
any ideas what to do next time? Or should I go down to F8 and really make them blurry?
any suggestions are appreciated.


There can be a few things that might have conspired to not give you the sharpness you were looking for. Diffraction was mentioned which at your f-stop would have been a factor. The shutter speed also in conjunction with your tripod. You don't mention what your tripod in detail but if it is a lightweight or low-quality tripod it may have vibrated during the shoot, this is more likely to happen if you had extended your tripod high, especially if you extended the center column. Another factor is your lens. Although your D810 is capable of astounding images the Tamron you're shooting with might not have the sharpness you are looking for. I don't have that lens but after looking at a few reviews it seems its edge and corner sharpness isn't great and is noticeably less than it's center sharpness. You also don't mention your file type. Did you shoot in jpeg or raw? If in jpeg you could try bumping your sharpness in camera but I'd recommend shooting in raw. If you shot in raw your raw processor will make a difference in sharpness, contrast, and other settings. If you processed the image in Lightroom, for example, you could try higher sharpness settings. Overall though I feel like it was either your lens, tripod, or a combination of the two as even the rocks in the foreground look soft to me. You might also need to perform an AF Fine Tune on your lens.
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May 14, 2017 23:56:00   #
I'm guesing the biggest reason they added the 30mm is that out is cheaper and would therefore appeal to a bigger audience.
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May 10, 2017 18:15:58   #
Photographer Jim wrote:
If other photographers think I look "monkeylike or foolish" because I chimp a great deal, well, whatever. I'll stand by my success in both sales and competitions. Chimping certainly hasn't hurt either! But if it makes others feel better to think of me as less professional, hey, knock yourself out! 😆


Beautiful work at your website Jim. It doesn't look like you do the types of photography that would be greatly impacted by chimping. It's going to be more of an issue in sports or event photography. Portrait photography too as it breaks up the rhythm of interacting with the subject.
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May 10, 2017 17:59:23   #
BlackRipleyDog wrote:
Yeah and some photographers made hay with pinhole cameras. But the point is that there is no post with a Polaroid. It is WYSIWYG to the max. And certain celebrities got a pass from the curators because they were celebrities and people bought into the hype.
They are for most people but there is post for Polaroids. My point is that all methods can have their advantages and disadvantages and to say (not that you did) something like "professionals should only shoot in RAW" or a similar attitude is missing the bigger picture. Check out number 4 on the list for an example of a photographer that did "post work" on Polaroids or just Google "polaroid manipulation" for a ton of examples.

The thing with RAW is a lot of photographers may hear they need to shoot in RAW but they really aren't at the skill level necessary to be able do so just as not all photographers who shot film developed and printed their own film. There are different skills involved in the capturing of the image versus the manipulation of that data on a computer.
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