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Apr 5, 2024 07:57:31   #
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Apr 2, 2024 13:52:35   #
Already on 14.4 with no problems
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Apr 1, 2024 15:50:06   #
cjc2 wrote:
You get what you pay for. Do you want a good print or cheap shipping? Try WHCC (you'll need an account) as I use them and find their shipping reasonable and their work awesome. Naturally, what you might think is a fair shipping cost might not be the same as mine. As a business owner, who ships to clients several times a week, I am well aware of the ever rising cost of shipping. Best of luck.


Yes, you get what you pay for. Sometimes you pay more for the same thing when you buy it from a different source. I get many staple items at WalMart which are identical to those at Publix.

The shipping costs whatever it costs the sender. What the sender then charges me is not necessarily a pure pass-through. For equal printing quality and value but significantly more reasonable shipping charges, I will go with the better overall value. This is especially true when I have a small volume of printing which thus affects the part of the total price attributable to shipping.

I find Nations to be every bit as good as Bay. If there is a difference, I don't see it. Others may disagree.

I'm not sure, but I think I used White House (WHCC) in 2017 or 2018. I don't recall anything either better or worse than my current favorite.
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Mar 30, 2024 17:38:28   #
imagemeister wrote:
All I know is the entertainment value of this post far outweighs any practical value it may have !

Yes, that it does, for me.
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Mar 30, 2024 13:32:32   #
burkphoto wrote:
I was thinking the same thing. What's important isn't the absolute comparison, but that we each get familiar with the equipment we use and apply it to the task at hand in a satisfying manner.

I use Micro 4/3, which has a nominal 2X magnification factor (not a crop factor, because the lenses are NATIVE to the format, unlike putting a full frame lens on APS-C). But I've used other formats, and understand the lens choices I needed to make for each of them.

In the photo lab where I worked back in the film days, we had equivalence charts that matched focal length and field of view coverage across both film formats and brands of lenses. They were helpful. Also helpful were depth of field indicators on lenses, which have all but disappeared. Now I carry the DOFC (depth of field calculator) app on my phone for the rare instances when I need to be precise.

We worry far too much about finding the perfect camera, lens, brand, format... When simple photographic education and experiences are what we need. I learn more behind the camera or in front of photo software than I do from endless debates about what gizmo is best. The proof is in the photograph.

I cook, and I don't know that anyone has ever asked me what pot or pan I used... Either they like the dish, or they don't.
I was thinking the same thing. What's important is... (show quote)


Well, I agree with almost all of what you said. But if I am cooking (rarely) I try to measure correctly. My wife is a far superior cook and is intuitive in using quantities. I try to substitute knowledge where my intuitive skills are second rate. Analogy ICYMI.
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Mar 30, 2024 10:41:05   #
Thank you all for your (perhaps) accurate but trivial critiques of my simple demonstration. Let’s skip to the "thought experiment".

Let us use one lens. 100 mm prime, for example.
Let us use two cameras. For example, Sony A7Riv and A7iv

The A7Riv has a horizontal pixel count of 8448 pixels.
The a7iv has 7008.

They have the same aspect ratio.

They are both full frame sensors. The EXIF will report the same equivalent focal length for both. The angle of view is the same. The physical size of the image on the sensor is the same.

Take a picture with each of the same subject when focused at the same distance. Use infinity if you prefer. Use the same exposure and ISO.

View the pictures on the same monitor at the same screen resolution: use 100% for the A7Riv. You will need to use 8448/7008 = 120.5% to get the same on-screen image size for the A7iv.

If you want to print, then if you use the same relationship of pixels to dots for both prints the same ratio will apply.

Is it clear yet?
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Mar 30, 2024 07:49:46   #
It’s fun getting all that arguing about simple truths.
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Mar 30, 2024 07:47:47   #
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Mar 30, 2024 07:46:49   #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
This is a completely invalid comparison. Physical dimensions of a digital image make no sense for comparison.


Wrong. They affect ability to crop for small distant subjects.
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Mar 30, 2024 07:45:26   #
george19 wrote:
Bingo! Then all you need is a reference, something like a standard field of view on a 24 x 36 mm piece of film is 43 degrees (I made that up) using a 50 mm lens.


Field of view equal will display larger or smaller depending on sensor size AND sensor pixels.
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Mar 30, 2024 07:43:05   #
Longshadow wrote:
All I know is I can adjust the zoom so that the subject looks about the same distance in the viewfinder as it does with my eye. For the Canon APSC body that turns out to be just under 35mm on the lens. And what do you know, 50/1.6 (APSC factor) is 31mm. That's all I need to know, the setting that makes it look like what I see. But I adjust the zoom for what composition I desire, regardless of crop factor or focal length anyway.
I don't need to know the physics behind it.
Or make a molehill into a mountain.
All I know is I can adjust the zoom so that the su... (show quote)


What looks same in VF will be different in on screen view if sensor is different. That’s the point!
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Mar 30, 2024 07:39:59   #
PHRubin wrote:
You also left out the fact that the 2 cameras have different pixel counts, 20% different.


No. That is what I pointed out. It’s the main reason for the difference. I just didn’t do the numbers for you.
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Mar 29, 2024 11:11:15   #
jerryc41 wrote:
This seems to be a very contentious topic. I wish camera makers could have thought of a better way to state the focal length for the various sensors. Someone will post something about the focal length he used, and someone else will say he's incorrect. It's the "equivalent" focal length. Does it really matter? No. You select your lens or your zoom length, and you take a picture.

A similar topic is "depth of field." That's been beaten to death, but it keeps coming back to life. Something is either in focus or it isn't.
This seems to be a very contentious topic. I wish... (show quote)


Jerry, the equivalent length might matter to someone who needs the longest zoom for birds (example) and is considering what camera plus lens to buy. For me, it's partly that and partly just curiosity.
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Mar 29, 2024 11:08:21   #
Linda From Maine wrote:
Oh lordy, Jerry. This is so wrong But it's a hijack to continue discussing. Please start a new topic.

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Mar 29, 2024 11:02:30   #
Linda From Maine wrote:
Can you give me an example of when equivalent focal length needs to be that precise?


No. If you don't care then you don't.
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