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Jul 2, 2019 09:27:27   #
 
Jun 28, 2019 19:43:50   #
Cwilson341 wrote:
I was using AI Adjust today and saw a similar statement. I used it on a couple of already processed images and I do feel that one or two of the presents made significant improvements with just one click.


Yep, just one little click, depending on what that one little click is on. Looks like it's going to be interesting, the future of coming software. This may be a breakthrough. Thanks for your comments.
Jun 28, 2019 18:07:58   #
Cwilson341 wrote:
I may be wrong but I'm not aware that any of these programs promises to solve everything with just a click or two. Many programs offer an "auto adjust option" and sometimes these do pretty good and sometimes not. I don't see how any program can do that because the potential needs are vast.

I have no experience or knowledge of Photolemur so Im going to skip over it.

Many of the packages you mentioned have specific uses and are not intended to deal with all issues.

Affinity, like Photoshop, can deal with most any edit that is needed but it definitely takes knowledge of the program and knowledge of processing in general. I use Affinity regularly and find it to be outstanding but not without a learning curve.

The Topaz ai programs, Clear, Adjust, and Sharpen do specific things. I usually start with their auto adjustments, review the results and then adjust further if I feel it is needed. I find Sharpen ai does an excellent job at sharpening, reducing blur and the effects of camera motion. I've just starting experimenting with Adjust ai and it seems to add pop to a photo that has already had the basic adjustments. I believe ai Clear addresses both noise and sharpness.

I have Luminar but don't use it much. I think it is a pretty good program but I like Affinity and it's enough to learn one or the other. Luminar has an extensive set of pre-sets so it could be closest to one click if you find a present that works for you.

I've rattled on and I think there is actually a simple answer to all this. You get the return based on the effort you put into the project. There is no one size fits all in photo processing. You can get acceptable results direct from your camera or from minimal processing. But if you have a vision for your photo, you may have to work some to bring it to life.

I can't help think back to the days when I had to send everything out for processing (I never had a dark room). That was a take it or leave it situation and I am so thankful to now have the opportunity to make those decisions for myself!
I may be wrong but I'm not aware that any of these... (show quote)


Not that it's important or even significant but with regard to your opening comment above, here is what Topaz sent out about Adjust AI in their initial announcement a few days ago:

"With just one click, Topaz Adjust AI leverages the power of artificial intelligence to transform your photos into something incredible.

Our AI-powered modes bring out colors, shadows, details, and more to make your photos as vivid as intended—all in one step.

Whether you're a pro-photographer looking to speed up workflow,
or a beginner that doesn't want to spend hours learning how to edit photos, Adjust AI can make your photos pop."


Admittedly, I overlooked that in the last version Photolemur added in a few other features one can select such as face enhancement and also five or so selections that permit you to affect color and other things but there's no sliders - you tell it you want the color adjusted and it does it from here on "auto pilot."
Jun 27, 2019 20:42:45   #
Cwilson341 wrote:
I may be wrong but I'm not aware that any of these programs promises to solve everything with just a click or two. Many programs offer an "auto adjust option" and sometimes these do pretty good and sometimes not. I don't see how any program can do that because the potential needs are vast.

I have no experience or knowledge of Photolemur so Im going to skip over it.

Many of the packages you mentioned have specific uses and are not intended to deal with all issues.

Affinity, like Photoshop, can deal with most any edit that is needed but it definitely takes knowledge of the program and knowledge of processing in general. I use Affinity regularly and find it to be outstanding but not without a learning curve.

The Topaz ai programs, Clear, Adjust, and Sharpen do specific things. I usually start with their auto adjustments, review the results and then adjust further if I feel it is needed. I find Sharpen ai does an excellent job at sharpening, reducing blur and the effects of camera motion. I've just starting experimenting with Adjust ai and it seems to add pop to a photo that has already had the basic adjustments. I believe ai Clear addresses both noise and sharpness.

I have Luminar but don't use it much. I think it is a pretty good program but I like Affinity and it's enough to learn one or the other. Luminar has an extensive set of pre-sets so it could be closest to one click if you find a present that works for you.

I've rattled on and I think there is actually a simple answer to all this. You get the return based on the effort you put into the project. There is no one size fits all in photo processing. You can get acceptable results direct from your camera or from minimal processing. But if you have a vision for your photo, you may have to work some to bring it to life.

I can't help think back to the days when I had to send everything out for processing (I never had a dark room). That was a take it or leave it situation and I am so thankful to now have the opportunity to make those decisions for myself!
I may be wrong but I'm not aware that any of these... (show quote)


Photolemur, the first program labeled AI has only one slider - for intensity. Skylum, makers of Luminar and Aurora HDR bought out Photolemur so they could learn AI programming to allow them to incorporate more of it in their software and have alleged started doing so. Photolemur seems to have done as good a job of sharpening my original as did ClearAI or SharpenAI and AdjustAI while it went way too cool with my image also looks to be sharper than either ClearAI or SharpenAI. There are other issues similar to that but I won't go into them further at this time.
Jun 27, 2019 18:50:29   #
Linda From Maine wrote:
https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-598023-1.html#10274719

However, IMO Carol's comments in this thread are far more relevant and worthwhile to consider.


Well, Ok, that's that then. Done! Thank you.
Jun 27, 2019 18:24:47   #
 
Jun 27, 2019 18:23:43   #
Linda From Maine wrote:
I think your demonstrations are valuable and informative; however, without having seen the conversations that prompted your creating these topics, I'm not sure why you asked me to comment.

Are there really that many "unsuspecting people looking for an inexpensive way out," as you described?

Certainly, new users of post-processing have a wide range of goals and interests: from those who have a strong desire to spend many organized hours learning the craft to those who want and need only minimal tools.

Hopefully, anyone thinking about purchasing software will have the opportunity to do a free trial first. If one is not available, then the product probably isn't very expensive and the user will not have invested much. If the user decides to explore bigger and better, I'm sure they will return here for more advice
I think your demonstrations are valuable and infor... (show quote)


Ahhhh, that feels much better. Thank you!
Jun 27, 2019 17:25:40   #
joer wrote:
I'm getting way beyond the listed shots per charge on my FW-50 and FZ100 batteries by doing the following. Its so simple it may be overlooked.

1. Turn off the monitor. It is mostly useless outdoors. If you want to chimp it can be done through the viewfinder, although with ML there is no need.

2. When carrying the camera with a strap make sure nothing will trigger the viewfinder sensor. The finder is normally off until the VF sensor is blocked. Neck straps that hold the camera back against the chest are out. Use a sling type strap holding to camera back facing out or just hold the camera with a wrist strap secured.

Some will point out you can always turn the camera off between shots but you will miss opportunities waiting for the camera to initialize and that also robs battery life.

One caveat; check the viewfinder before you determine the battery is dead.
I'm getting way beyond the listed shots per charge... (show quote)


I can run a battery down just trying to find what I want in the stinkin' Sony menu. Seriously though, I always carry spares with me and do the things you suggest but go a step further - I leave the battery out completely until I'm ready to go out shooting. Nothing much ever happens when I'm home that I care to take a pic of anyway. I'll probably forget and leave the batteries at home some day and regret what will then look like stupidity but I've already saved months to years of time I would have lost just recharging batteries.
Jun 27, 2019 17:06:05   #
Hi Linda. I posted these two threads in Main section a couple of days ago and they didn't make the daily list. Seeing Curmudgeon's hibiscus thread you posted in, I thought they might address a lot of questions I've seen lately, and indeed some I've had myself, regarding the hype surrounding the effectiveness of some recent pieces of software, especially Photolemur that has no ability for custom settings, and any other program that claim that default settings can "heal all wounds," and might be important enough to warrant more attention than they got casually passing through to oblivion. Thought I'd call them to your attention in case you didn't see them earlier and get your opinion as to whether or not they're significant enough for you to comment on.

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-598020-1.html

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-598023-1.html
Jun 27, 2019 11:44:31   #
Toment wrote:
Yes. It’s a digital crop of the focal length of the lens you are using.


That definition in not complete and leaves out the important aspects of CIZ. CIZ is an in-camera process that magnifies an image, crops it to the magnified view, and "upsizes and resamples it," and creates "new pixels" to fill in the gaps as opposed to simply cropping it and leaving it "diluted," or spread out and missing information that usually leads to the degradation of an image. Using CIZ usually results in almost no image quality (IQ) loss although it occasionally does leave some mild distortion or what some call "artifacts" in certain "highly detailed or busy" scenes that might not otherwise be desirable. Some examples of "artifacts" have been offered elsewhere in this and other threads that can be found by using the search too above and searching for CIZ or Clear Image Zoom.
Jun 25, 2019 17:41:34   #
G Brown wrote:
This has also been discussed regarding raw processors - the more you try, the greater the differences - even when your camera raw is 'apparently' on their list.

We need to reiterate that 'the process' of 'producing a final image' has many paths and cannot be done 'by rote'.


 
Jun 25, 2019 15:22:12   #
imagemeister wrote:
LOL, Yes, it is amazing what age does to you
.


Well, I don't have that problem. I grew real fast for my age up to about 12 when I stopped growing and all my hair fell out. Otherwise I still look about the same.

I probably wouldn't have noticed you on Firefox except the breaking news piece next to you with the yellow crime scene tape was about my nephew being killed in a headon between his motorcycle and an 18-wheeler here in Colorado just out of Estes Park.
Jun 25, 2019 13:59:44   #
a6k wrote:
Well, he may be a CIZ fanboy but he's a very good photographer. Nobody's perfect, right?😀


Yep, I's just thinking about how he's barely recognizable when he pulls off that pink polyester leisure suit from the '60s and puts on that swamp hat. Clever disguise!
Jun 25, 2019 13:55:23   #
Rich1939 wrote:
I hope then that I've been able to reinforce your position and that members will benefit from this conversation.


Thanks. That's what I was hoping as well, hence the effort.
Jun 25, 2019 13:52:15   #
JohnSwanda wrote:
Not a relevant test for me because I never use "auto enhance". I'm more interested in the capability to custom process images. But then I've been using Photoshop since the first version.


It's only relevant as long as none of them live up to the hype or if an inexperienced person thinks they can solve all their post processing needs with the default settings in one of these programs and that's what a lot of people would like to have for $35.00, a low cost alternative to Adobe's subscription that will do all their post processing with a one button punch.
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