Again I admit I know very little when it comes to this kinda stuff. How were his accountants defrauded? Why did they not sue? Who else relied on the documents? The banks certainly don't. They don't rely on an applicants self reported numbers. They have their own assessors, don't they?

[quote=Triple G]Aggrieved parties aren't needed--fraud is fraud.

Yes I see the difference. That's why I asked you the question. As I stated you AGREE with the juries and courts when it's a decision you agree with. I didn't ask you if you accepted it. You have no choice but to accept it. So who was defrauded?

When have I ever claimed to be neutral? I stated in my post to you I have biases just like you. Did you miss it.

Why not? You seem to want to. Just be honest and say it.
You seem to be not following along. When Have I ever, ever, claimed to be neutral? I am definitely 100% not neutral. Apparently you didn't even read the post you're responding to very thoroughly. In it I very clearly said I have biases. Go read it again.
So you've admitted that you can't believe someone can defend someone they don't like on some issues. You're too emotional and not very rational.
Is Alan Dershowitz a member of the MAGA cult? I know he has become the new boogeyman of the left. But he has a whole career that you can go back and examine and show us his MAGA tendencies. Or was he a secret Cultist all along and just now came out of the "closet?"
But anyway, I'm glad I amuse you. My mission is accomplished.

Just a question. We know if the money was spent it has to be spent on that purpose. That's the law. But is the law that it has to be spent? Why can't it expire? Just asking cause i tried to find an answer and couldn't.

It's not an assumption. It's simple logic. Walls work. Do you have walls on your house? How many unwanted people enter your hose everyday?
Sorry, not my job to be the world's caretaker. We give enough in foreign aid. I give to charities. How much of that aid goes into the pockets of the tinpot dictators? To improve the conditions in those countries are you advocating interference and assasination? That's how we've gotten into trouble all over the world interfering in other countries business. Ever hear of the middle east? Why do you think a lot of people there h**e us and fly airplanes into buildings?

So you believe in courts and juries when it suits your political leanings. Did you agree with the Kyle Rittenhouse verdict? Just be honest and admit you're just like me, you obviously favor the decisions you like.
You're 100% correct. I am like the majority of people in this country in that I am unfamiliar with filing corporate reports. Are you referring to the Daniels case or the current fraud case? If it's the current case, who are the aggrieved parties?

What do I base it on? The fact that I'm not stupid is what I base it on. How about the fact the statute of limitations had expired in the Daniels case and then all kinds of crazy legal theories were cobbled together to get around the law? How about the fact the jury ruled Trump didn't rape the crazy woman and still rule he "defamed" her when he claimed he didn't rape her? How about the fact Leticia James ran on a platform of "Get Trump?" How is a New York judge qualified to rule on the value of Florida real estate values? Who are the damaged parties? The banks didn't sue. They got paid back all their money and made quite a lot of interest.

You seem to be contradicting yourself a little. You seem to be agreeing with my term of cultists here. But I went back and read the op and you seem to be saying that if you defend Trump at all on anything you're a "defender."
Why is the concept that people can not care for someone but still defend them on certain matters so hard for you to grasp?
There are numerous people on here of the l*****t persuasion who profess to have no .love for Biden but will constantly defend him.How is that any different?
As to another point you brought up, yes, SOME of his trials are politically motivated. Stormy Daniels, the rape case, and the current real estate fraud case.

A guest worker is in no way an immigrant.

Yes it's very material to the discussion. Before someone can answer a question you have to know the parameters. Is someone considered a defender of Trump if they don't spend all day thinking about "what about Trump can I be outraged about now?"

That's certainly a topic worthy of discussion, but the question was asked about Trump defenders.

Yeah, I forgot that one, but I was focused basically too much on the southern border.

Please explain exactly your definition of Trump defender. Is it a cultist who thinks Trump can do no wrong and pledges allegiance to him or is it simple someone who is not afflicted with Trump Derangement Syndrome such as yourself?

Denny, everytime the immigration or border issue comes up you say we need a comprehensive reform bill. Exactly what laws are not on the books that you would put in your bill? Here's my immigration reform bill.
Build the friggin wall with a few ports of entry for asylum seekers
End birthright citizenship
Bring back Trump's remain in Mexico policy
Jail employers who employ i*****l a***ns
End all government payouts/ benefits to i******s except EMERGENCY medical care.

Now what's yours?