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Nov 18, 2019 19:35:39   #
[quote=CHG_CANON]So, if the industry leader is not part of this trend, is it a trend?

Ha! And I thought (based on what I read here) that Canon and Nikon were just playing follow the leader to Sony
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Nov 18, 2019 17:15:57   #
Delderby wrote:
Yes - the moire is often not seen in the viewfinder - and as PP cannot usually correct it, perhaps the fitting of an anti-aliasing filter would have been better, rather than sacrificing other IQ factors.


I'd guess that filter is like a lot of things, there was a decision that had to be made about the trade offs. Was the occasional moire' problem worth controlling versus a full time reduction in IQ?
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Nov 18, 2019 15:18:10   #
Rongnongno wrote:
Right but the question is not about practical but theoretical. The answer to that question is a simple 'No'.

Can you tell me the dimension of 2x2 with no other data? No. You get 4 but 4 of what?


I don't disagree, but again, I was responding to another post.
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Nov 18, 2019 15:06:27   #
Rongnongno wrote:
May I remind you that the question includes the following:

"if I know no other info about this image"????

That is why there is no answer however you want to slice it. I made the same error because I had not paid attention to the original question and like many went into you can using this or that... There is no 'this' or 'that'

A pixel has no size per say, it just the smallest amount of data used to create an array that in turns becomes an image. Sensors have a pixel per inch density that is then transformed into another pixel per inch on display, print, projection - whatever. None of these pixel has a size EVEN if the original gizmo to create that pixel had a microscopic size.
May I remind you that the question includes the fo... (show quote)


Ron, I was responding to "bleirer" in that last post. An image file has height and width pixel information and when a PPI is included in that file the dimensions can be calculated. While technically a data file is in itself dimensionless, for practical purposes the file does have size.
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Nov 18, 2019 14:30:07   #
bleirer wrote:
An image file doesn't have any dimensions per se, it is just a data array of so many pixels in a row and so many rows. The display or printer software decides what to do with it.


If the ppi is known, there is a native size which can be calculated. For instance when using photo shop and you have an image open, using the magnifier tool when you right click you are given several choices of display size. 100%, 200% or print size. Clicking on print size will display an image at the native size (if you have PS set up correctly)
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Nov 18, 2019 14:22:47   #
Delderby wrote:
It seems that manufacturers are now leaving anti aliasing filters off many new cameras. Apparently, with new sensors, moire is less likely to be a problem in future. Until recently it has been easier (much easier) to sharpen (in PP or in camera) that tiny little bit extra to overcome the difference between with anti-alias or without, whereas moire, which is the reason for including an anti-alias filter, is very difficult, if at all, to get rid of. However, as the pixel race resumes, and sensors become more crowded, I believe moire will continue (or return) as a problem.
Have Hogs any thoughts on this, based on practical experience, or just logical thought, perhaps on the problems of moire and the advantages ar otherwise of anti-alias (low pass) filters?
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If you go back and look you'll find that as pixel density has gone up the use of an anti aliasing filter has decreased. Moire apparently is less of a problem for sensors with small pixel sites. For instance a full frame Nikon with a 24MP sensor will have the filter while a crop sensor Nikon with a 24MP sensor will not. Same pixel count but smaller pixels.
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Nov 18, 2019 13:57:04   #
rebride wrote:
No


Disagree. If you know the pixel dimension and the PPI you can figure out the image's file size. A print size can be anything you want to make it but the image file size is basic math.

Edit, I just reread the original post. The OP didn't mention a PPJ so the answer is indeed NO
Apologies
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Nov 18, 2019 13:34:44   #
Silverrails wrote:
Yes I too have only used the "Nikon" brand of the EN-EL14A battery, have you used the "KASTAR" brand of this battery?


Like robertjerl I've never heard of them.
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Nov 18, 2019 13:12:31   #
Silverrails wrote:
I want advice, opinions, Point of View, on this advertised DSLR camera Battery brand. Regarding, is this Battery Non-OEM brand safe to use in my Nikon D3300 DSLR Camera? I have ways used strickly the Nikon brand EN-EL 14a battery as suggested by Nikon.


Good timing! I just ordered the Nikon version of that battery this morning as my old one went belly up after 5 years. That works out to about12 bucks per year. I figure considering the price of the camera that is a small price to pay to feel comfortable with the purchase.
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Nov 18, 2019 12:16:01   #
cjc2 wrote:
Nice try at Hijacking the thread! To answer your question you'll need to provide a lot more information such as if you have a calibrated workflow, paper, ink, icc profile, etc.. If your question is "Is there a difference between software control?", then the answer is yes. Printing photos involves a lot more than just hooking up your printer. Check the Red River Paper site for detailed information. Best of luck.


I'm happy to see that you appreciate my effort to address something that was brought up in this thread. To wit: what effect various conditions could have on the final print.
You know from previous posts that I have a calibrated set up and that I have read the Red River information. If you don't agree with what I found, explain why.
BTW Since I used one image and only varied the printing control method, bit depth and color space for this test if my monitor is calibrated (it is) or not, would have no bearing on the results since I never touched any adjustments during the test.

Your unwarranted attack from out of left field has been entertaining. I await further light moments.
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Nov 18, 2019 11:20:40   #
will47 wrote:
This is just an example: if there is a image that is 2400 x 850 pixels is there any way to know the size in inches if I know no other info about this image? Thanks.


If you know the pixel per inch count it just take basic math. IE 2400/300 ppi =8"
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Nov 18, 2019 11:16:59   #
This morning I ran off 4 test prints. 2 were 16 bit and 2 were 8 bit. Of each bit pair 1 one was printed with Photoshop in control and the other with the printer in control. The 16 bit images were left in Adobe RGB while the 8 bit were converted to sRGB.
After letting the prints dry down the 4 of them were shuffled and then I tried to determine by looking at them which was which.
I couldn’t see much, if any difference from one to the other. Maybe the PS controlled prints have a tad more contrast, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

All this means? Does the printer's software compress the input colors to match its color space so that it doesn't matter to any large degree what color space and bit level we input with??

If it matters, I print with an Epson R3000
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Nov 17, 2019 19:08:40   #
mas24 wrote:
The Nikon D810 had a 36 megapixels Sony sensor. The same sensor is in the Pentax K-1. I was surprised that the D850 of 45.7 megapixels, is not a Sony sensor. I don't know if the upcoming D-6 sensor will be Sony? Sony probably will not sell their newest 61 megapixels sensor that's in the a7riv. They had to make a full frame mirrorless camera that had more megapixels than the Canon and Nikon. It's called the megapixels war. It sells cameras. I have heard that Canon has a 100 megapixels sensor. Not yet in Canon cameras. Sony does not have one that high. Yet.
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The D850 sensor is manufactured by Sony, designed by Nikon.
Same goes for the 36MP sensor in the D810, if the same senor is in a Pentax I wouldn't be surprised to hear they are paying something to Nixon. I doubt however that it's the same sensor,
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Nov 17, 2019 13:40:20   #
Architect1776 wrote:
What is the difference between Sony and Nikon?
They both use the same sensors which is what makes the photo today in the digital world.
Of course Nikon uses older generation sensors after Sony is done.
So why not go Sony with the latest sensors?
Just wondering?


"Of course Nikon uses older generation sensors after Sony is done
I'm not sure that is how it is.
While Sony does manufacture the sensors Nikon has maintained that they (Nikon) designs them.

Why go Sony? They are as apt as others to get out of the camera business. Remember Beta-max? My Sony Bravia smart TV is now stupid because Sony went against the tide with its smart interface and streaming sources like Amazon Prime are no linger supported.
Were I to feel Nikon might not be in my future I would look to Canon a hell of a lot sooner than I would Sony. If Sony decides to bail out of sensor manufacturing (fat chance but,) they are not the only pebble on the beach
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Nov 17, 2019 09:56:59   #
bpulv wrote:
On the subject of the Curves adjustment for printing from PS, you should set the left side limit to 6 and the right side to 244 as a rule of thumb. That will insure that there is ink on the paper in the extreme white areas rather than dry paper and that too much ink is not deposited in the blackest black areas.


Nice tip. Thank you for posting it.
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