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Jun 5, 2018 11:11:57   #
tdekany wrote:


And to make my point another way, why do we check out 500pix? Why not get admiration from the photo gallery section right here?

And how many of the pictures posted in the photo gallery would make it to the top at 500pix?


Because the world also exists outside of the uglyhedgehog photography forum photo gallery. I keep my posting of images to a minimum on here. I would rather have people visit my website.
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Jun 5, 2018 10:46:09   #
tdekany wrote:


Thanks Thomas.

Also thank you for having a link for your flickr page so that I can see your images.
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Jun 5, 2018 10:36:37   #
I think learned is the wrong term. Artistic ability must be developed over time. Learning technique will produce well crafted images, however, it will not automatically make those images art or artistic. One can produce the most finely crafted image and at the same have a meaningless, interesting image.
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Jun 5, 2018 09:15:11   #
Steamboat wrote:
I feel a nostalgic as the rest of you about the wet process. Sure we should teach it.
But lets face it, the Silver print process is now an "alternative process" like Dye Transfer, the Daguerreotype and platinum and palladium printing.
As us old folks die off, not too many young people will embrace this antique process. This is a digital world and its moving faster and faster.
Can anyone imagine a 15 year old kid doing darkroom work when they can get the same result with 10 minutes of PS?

I'm serious ..... How many people still make tintypes .... I can think of one guy today.

It is sad to see something we loved so much disappear. Gosh the darkroom was such fun!
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I know several people around the country that. Over the past decade or two there has been a fairly large resurgence of weplate collodion photography. The George Eastman Museum offers several workshops that have in part led to the revival.

At the University of Arkansas, where I went to undergrad, they have increased their darkroom space and purchased a lot of new darkroom equipment.
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Jun 5, 2018 09:00:55   #
Also, if you have any alt process abilities this will vastly increase the potential interest in darkroom classes. Several of the processes are fairly easy such as cyanotype and salt printing.
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Jun 4, 2018 22:55:55   #
R.Rick Hollon wrote:
Does anyone think a class on Basic B/W film complete with darkroom classes would go over just to keep it from completely dying out? I would hate to see it die out. I had so many good times processing and printing.


Most universities and colleges still have darkroom. I work at museum printing in the darkroom from old negatives for our reference collection. I also make copy negatives and prints of out our more fragile prints. Depending on where you are such a class could be well received.
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Jun 4, 2018 14:30:39   #
GENorkus wrote:
I'm thinking about being like a photographer from 100 years or so back. I'm gathering and making a bunch of things for my instructional & pretend photographer of yesteryear. It's likely other people will only be 30 to 50 feet at the closest.

So far I've been gathering some old-looking cloths, etc. that look like they'll work but one thing I'd like to add to my collection is an old fashion-like flash. You know the kind probably seen in a western movie where the photographer holds up a pole with something like a plaster pan on top that flashes and gives off a bunch of smoke.

My 1st thought was to get some flash powder, (used to make the stuff when younger), but that would require fire to ignite it and that is a definate NO these days around schools and parks.

My 2nd thought was to make a similar "plaster board" on-a-pole and have baby powder in it so when I pretend to flash I just turn on a very small and hidden fan to blow the talcum power and just make smoke. The problem with that is that the powder smoke would be way to slow and small.

My 3rd thought was to ask here at UGLY for help and suggestions from everyone here!

Anyone have any suggestions? (Thanks in advance if you do!)
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Try contacting Mark Osterman at the George Eastman Museum. He is one of best wetplate and alt process instructors in the country. He sometime still uses a traditional flash pan with magnesium powder.
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Jun 4, 2018 14:28:23   #
jeep_daddy wrote:
I would just do some research on Google and see what they used. I'm betting that back in the day they just used gunpowder for their flash. You can still buy gunpowder just like the kind used in the old days. This sounds like fun. I used to know some people that did that sort of thing and dressed for the period etc.. The build camps, dressed for the period and tried to keep things as authentic looking as possible. You may be able to find some authentic period camp accessories from a place called Panther Primitives. This is the place that makes and sells period tents and all thing for authentic looking period campsites. They may be able to steer you to some groups where others have outfits like the one you are looking to get.
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They used magnesium powder not gunpowder. Guncotton, however, is used in making collodion for the wetplate collodion process.
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Jun 4, 2018 12:13:16   #
Georgeski wrote:
Yes technical versus artistic are two separate things --it's relatively easy to produce a technically excellent photo, much harder to produce one with definite artistic merit --photography's great strides in the technical area actually seem to make it harder to be really artistic ---you see lots of striking images, but how may photographers have a really unique vision and can personalize this vision in the photographic medium? ---very few in my opinion --i think there was more of this in the earlier eras of the Weston, Eugene Smith, Cartier Bresson, etc. --and especially in the area of human subjects in photos--very few photographers seem to even deal with this area --photography is dominated by scenics, etc. --the pictures of people are few and far between, and not very expressive when they appear --well, that's one person's opinion and observations!!!
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Depends on whose work you are looking at. The tendency on this site is to talk mostly about landscape, nature and street photographers. There is so much more out there.

I posted several examples of photographers that I am influenced by on another thread at one point. Several of these have what I would consider unique viewpoints, methods of working and aesthetics.

Here is a ink to that thread: http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-514286-1.html

And here is another thread where I posted another group of artists whose work I admire: http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-496960-3.html
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Jun 4, 2018 09:45:08   #
Charlie157 wrote:
I was going to suggest Brooks Institute but I just found put that after 70 years they are closing. Don't know why, but they were a school that had a good reputation. A co-worker (not in photography) went to Brooks, he did product photography for several cooperations. After many years working he got tired of it. Met a guy with a photography store in Zion canyon. Really good photographer, great prints. He had an AA degree from a local Community College. Read up on biographies of photographers you respect, see if they went school and what schools they went to. Correspond with them if you can. Of all things be clear on what you want do with what you learn. Understand what you want to be, as a final product. Good luck
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Brooks Institute underwent several sales. Back when they were owned by the Brooks family it was my understanding that it was great school.. It was then sold to a couple of different for profit college companies. It appears that these companies heavily degraded the quality and reputation of the institution. I thought about going there but the lawsuits about them overstating their post graduation jobs rates and the expense of the school were highly concerning.

http://www.latimes.com/local/education/la-me-brooks-institute-closure-20160815-snap-story.html

http://archive.vcstar.com/news/local/ventura/what-led-to-brooks-institute-in-ventura-closing-so-abruptly-3a32de7c-6b02-5967-e053-0100007fc2ec-390738451.html?page=1
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Jun 4, 2018 02:04:09   #
rfmaude41 wrote:
Nikon also has the FM10, which is not extremely expensive; I have both the F6, F90s and several of their Rangefinders (if you think the F6 is expensive, try one of these, LoL). A excellent SP will run you double to triple the F6, eh ?


The rangefinders look great. Hopefully Nikon's mirrorless will take some cues from them. I have a Canon L2 rangefinder, however, I still really want a Nikon S2.
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Jun 3, 2018 19:52:05   #
Peterff wrote:
I did a math and statistics degree. I also spent a lot of time with friends at the local art school. I helped run the University photography club, but learned a whole lot from my art school friends. It has all been extremely helpful in my career. My degree says statistics, although that has been a minor component in my career. The communication components have been much more useful, but having a degree has definitely been valuable.

The more I've learned, the more that I have valued what I have learned from indirect things such as art history classes, philosophy of art and color theory. You never know when you are going to need them, or when they can help you build a relationship with somebody. Whether it is visual art, music, or quantum computing, it all comes in useful at some point, and you never know when.

However, a piece of paper from a degree mill may be of questionable value. Education is good, but it really is about the experience and what you learn, and can then turn to productive use. I would choose carefully between the options and what you expect to gain. As with others, I believe the OP will benefit more from a different approach or institution to his goals and objectives.
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Agreed. I went on to take other courses in graphic design, painting and printmaking that were required. Painting greatly changed the way I look at things and very helpful in the way I approach photography. Art is often the sum of our life experiences. When I was younger I was interested in history, physics and metaphysics. I realized a while ago looking at the work I have been making that these interests are evident in my work.

As far as the paper degrees go, my undergrad mentor hung all of his diplomas and certificates in his studio bathroom above and around the toilet.
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Jun 3, 2018 19:19:26   #
fotoman150 wrote:
I am overwhelmed with all the responses.

What I’m getting is a wide degree of differing opinions.

Each one is a little different and adds another nuance for me to consider.

I think I’m going to look into NC State. If they have a photography program I think I will try to go in the fall. But if they have a master of fine arts that includes a bunch of painting and drawing I’m not interested.

A lot of people are asking me my goals and basically I have quite a bit of knowledge and have done a lot of paid work but have never felt like I was well-versed in the basics. As I said before I feel like I have been flying by the seat of my pants all the time. I want that to end. I want to approach a job and not have to think about the technical Issues and focus on composition and pleasing the client.
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A BFA will likely require studies in other areas. For my degree I was required in taking one class in the following areas in addition to photography classes, painting, sculpture, ceramics, printmaking, graphic design and sculpture. Also, several art history classes, philosophy of art and color theory were required. Programs do vary greatly so it is likely very different at NC State.

Also, are you in the Raleigh area or are you outside of it. If you are close to Greenville NC, I can recommend East Carolina University. I visited there in March to check out their MFA program. They have a fantastic program and some of the nicest faculty I've ever met.
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Jun 3, 2018 19:14:48   #
The artistic and conceptual aspects of photography aren't inherent but rather are influenced by every aspect of our lives from the day we are born. While there is some truth in the notion of talent or artistic genius for the most part it is the effort that they put into making their work that makes it successful. This effort is not just the making of the work but rather acquiring the knowledge, artistic, technical and from other areas. Vision and the ability to recognize juxtapositions, synthesize concepts from other areas and communicate successfully through visual media are the most important aspects of "artistic talent/ ability."
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Jun 3, 2018 17:56:24   #
While I believe that art school is highly beneficial I agree with several others about the AI schools. These are institutions that are expensive and are essentially degree mills. They don't have the best reputation in the academic art community. They are similar to other for profit schools such as Corinthian Colleges, which recently went under. However, it appears that many of the AI schools are starting to be connected to state institutions. If I recall they had financial difficulty which has prompted this change.

I would personally steer clear of them and attend a community college or state university. These institutions allow people to audit a certain number of classes I am not sure if the AI schools allow this.
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