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Jul 20, 2014 17:25:58   #
silver wrote:
Simply put, palin lost the election for Mc cain. Heres something for you.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl_aWoPNpJM



That is b.s. and you are well of it, silver. The problems w/ McCain were multiple-fold:
>He was/appeared very old, and kids ain't voting for the ancient (stake note, Hillary)
>the banking system basically collapsed
>everyone wanted to be part of history in the election
>Mccains campaign manager was a complete tool who was pissed off John selected Palin over Blackburn
>The media viscerated McCain just like they did to Hillary all Team Obama
>much more! but I'm tired of typing!

The only measurable data we have is the bounce McCain got when he selected Palin and she spoke at the convention......everything else is come true, usually partisan.
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Jul 20, 2014 17:16:35   #
silver wrote:
Everybody has the right to be delusional, even conservatives. This is what makes people so interesting and fun.



Damn straight! The conservatives have the right to be just as delusional as the liberals! Thank you for pointing that out!
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Jul 20, 2014 17:14:44   #
silver wrote:
In saris case I will use a name that is completely correct for her. Simply put she is an idiot. I hope that she is a part of the next presidential election. The republicans deserve her. Sorry to use an insulting name but palin is really not to bright.


Interesting......why do you call her an idiot so easily? Obviously, you don't like her or Republicans in general, and it's easy to dish on someone who talks "funny" or certainly not like the two coasters.

I ask only because I suspect you have no problem with Obama's statements about 57 states, etc., which on their face make him sound like an idiot, yes?
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Jul 20, 2014 17:08:54   #
Jakebrake wrote:
Great post and welcome to the Hog. Unfortunately your logic is much too deep for our progressive/liberal friends here on the forum.



Thank you.
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Jul 20, 2014 15:36:10   #
silver wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:







A few random thoughts....

1) Yes, but the SCOTUS ruling was huge and will most likely have a severe impact on future ACA growth unless some definitive changes are made to the law.

2) Your implication that there are 20 million less uninsured in America due to the ACA is a canard. Almost all sources (and most admit the data is very hard to get & verify) put the number at somewhere between 5-9 million. A RAND survey results which found that fully 55% of the estimated 9.3 million reduction in the number of uninsured adults came from gains in employer-provided coverage (which, if true, has nothing to do with the ACA and many project may negatively affect total employer insured once the employer mandate kicks in).

3) Latest data by state shows that many of the projected subsidies will be much lower, perhaps even non-existent, once all the data is in. This will have a serious effect on the "invincibles" sector of the market.

4) More than 2 million people who got health insurance under President Barack Obama's reform law have data discrepancies that could jeopardize coverage for some, a government document shows. About 1 in 4 people who signed up have discrepancies, creating a huge paperwork jam for the feds and exposing some consumers to repayment demands, or possibly even loss of coverage, if they got too generous a subsidy.

5) A fairly large portion of the newly-minted "no longer uninsured" are insured by Medicare/Medicaid, not an ACA policy.

All in all, the ACA is doing better than the far right expected, less than the far left expected, has serious obstacles ahead including the recent SCOTUS ruling (see comment 5, above). Projecting inaccurate propaganda will not help anything.
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Jul 20, 2014 15:33:17   #
Jackinthebox wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:



I almost completely agree with you except for the part about BO starting out trying to work together......as I recall, a matter of days after taking office he
1)proclaimed elections have consequences, and he won, and 2) went way out of his way to publicly dress down a good man, Paul Ryan, at a supposed "let's get the minds together" meeting.

Otherwise, you are on point!
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Jul 20, 2014 13:11:00   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Clinton did it under even worse circumstances, Obama pisses in the sandbox specifically to make mud and then he complains that the mud coming his way smells like piss.... The first step for the president to get things done is to stop pissing in the sand box and show some respect. He is counting on a divided country to bring out his base in an off year election.



Eloquently stated.
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Jul 20, 2014 13:10:18   #
kwils wrote:
Unfortunately, when it comes to politics and party loyalty people become very unreasonable. The same people that are hating on Obama sat quietly by when his predecessor made monumental blunders.



Some of what you say is true, but I recall a LOT of bitching & moaning vs. Bush during his 8 years, much more than the current left recalls.

On an expanded note, the idea that anyone who either disagrees with Obama or dislikes his policies is a racist really gets under my skin. The media, the left, and Eric Holder have been throwing this at us for 5 years now. Does this mean that the 92% of black Americans who did not vote for Bush I and II, Romney, Dole, etc. were all racists???? I would guess not. I also recall the Democrat leader of the House calling Bush some very vile, personal-attack type names, as did one California U.S. senator, Al Sharpton, the leader of Ops PUSH/Rainbow, etc., among others. Certainly sounded like "hating" to me, yet the media couldn't have cared less, nor did left America.

Bottom line? Obama does seem disengaged, many of his policies have been "monumental blunders" as you call them, and those that point it out are no more racist than those who did the same with Bush.

(Note here.......which blunders were monumental?)
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Jul 20, 2014 12:59:08   #
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
"Four years later, and after the Supreme Court ruled Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion unconstitutional,"

SCOTUS ruled that the individual mandate portion of the ACA was unconstitutional, not the entire law.

20 million plus Americans have insurance thanks to the ACA, 60% of the newly insured are 35 and under, and the uninsured rate, in the states courageous enough to participate, have dropped to the lowest in history.


A few random thoughts....

1) Yes, but the SCOTUS ruling was huge and will most likely have a severe impact on future ACA growth unless some definitive changes are made to the law.

2) Your implication that there are 20 million less uninsured in America due to the ACA is a canard. Almost all sources (and most admit the data is very hard to get & verify) put the number at somewhere between 5-9 million. A RAND survey results which found that fully 55% of the estimated 9.3 million reduction in the number of uninsured adults came from gains in employer-provided coverage (which, if true, has nothing to do with the ACA and many project may negatively affect total employer insured once the employer mandate kicks in).

3) Latest data by state shows that many of the projected subsidies will be much lower, perhaps even non-existent, once all the data is in. This will have a serious effect on the "invincibles" sector of the market.

4) More than 2 million people who got health insurance under President Barack Obama's reform law have data discrepancies that could jeopardize coverage for some, a government document shows. About 1 in 4 people who signed up have discrepancies, creating a huge paperwork jam for the feds and exposing some consumers to repayment demands, or possibly even loss of coverage, if they got too generous a subsidy.

5) A fairly large portion of the newly-minted "no longer uninsured" are insured by Medicare/Medicaid, not an ACA policy.

All in all, the ACA is doing better than the far right expected, less than the far left expected, has serious obstacles ahead including the recent SCOTUS ruling (see comment 5, above). Projecting inaccurate propaganda will not help anything.
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Jul 20, 2014 12:18:50   #
kwils wrote:
That's not the point. Who will you blame it on if it's a Republican President in the WH? I bet you won't blame it on him or her.


I would like to think reasonable people will blame it on whoever the group is that votes in changes that tank things (unlike the current crop, who a large portion of the media and pop. cannot admit to having any faults at any time).

An unbiased media, with a first amendment right, and a science community that actually employs science, could add a lot to our political process.
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Jul 20, 2014 12:15:06   #
More a reflection of buyer' remorse that a strong push for the Mittster.
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Jul 20, 2014 12:13:46   #
kwils wrote:
Dude;
Yes I know that it's an amendment to the 1964 Civil Rights Act.



So dude,

Why pretend Obama was the one to equalize pay? Stick with facts in any argument.
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Jul 20, 2014 12:12:26   #
nakkh wrote:
Clinton: Economy soars to record highs & unemployment sinks to record lows... Record Budget Surplus! whoo-hooo!! ...

Titanic: sinks to unequaled depths ....

Bush: Economy sinks to unequaled depths..., Banks fail & job losses are 750,000 per month at the end of his 2nd term...



Funny thing.....avg unemployment rate under both Clinton and Bush was 5.2%. Also note U.S. Debt increased $1.6 trillion in the Clinton years. What's it all mean? All Presidents spend too much, and we shouldn't worry about which knew is the queen of the sows!
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Jul 20, 2014 11:49:44   #
kwils wrote:
The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, makes it illegal for employers to pay unequal wages to men and women who perform equal work.
The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, provided hundreds of billions of dollars into infrastructure, research and job creation.
Saved the American auto industry and its hundreds of thousands of jobs from disappearing by preventing Chrysler and GM from going bankrupt.
Overturned Bush Administration restrictions on federal funding for stem cell research.
The Matthew Shepard Act, expands hate crime definitions to include gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.
The Credit Card Bill of Rights, outlaws hidden fees and deceptive lending practices from credit card companies.
The Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell Repeal Act, allows gay soldiers to serve openly in the United States military.
Student loan reform, significantly expands access to affordable government loans and Pell Grants for college.
The Affordable Care Act, will establish universal health care for the first time in the history of the United States.
New START Treaty, will reduce by half the nuclear missile stockpiles of Russia and the United States.
Overturned Bush Administration “global gag rule,” allows American aid to international health organizations who provide family planning, including abortion counseling.
The Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, dramatically expands federal efforts into finding a cure for paralysis, as well as increasing support for care and rehabilitation.
Removed all combat troops from Iraq.
Appointed Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, the first Latina to ever serve on the bench.
Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, provides health care to 11 million children who live in poverty.
The Food Safety Modernization Act, for the first time gives the FDA a mandate to prevent, rather than simply respond to, contamination of the food supply.
Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, overhauls the financial markets to prevent another economic crisis and establishes a new consumer protection bureau.
Killed pirates, in particular three Somali pirates who were holding an American ship hostage in 2009.
Killed Osama bin Laden who had taken America hostage in 2001.
The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, makes it illegal... (show quote)


Dude,
Your very first comment is factually incorrect.

It was already against the law to pay M & Fs different wages for the exact same job. The Lilly Ledbetter Act addressed the 180-day statute of limitations for filing an equal-pay lawsuit regarding pay discrimination, reseting the count with each new paycheck affected by that discriminatory action.

We could address each of your items, but suffice it to say there are several inaccuracies along with a lot of disagreement over calling all of them accomplishments!
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Jul 20, 2014 11:42:31   #
Many conveniently forget that the Congress is made up of two bodies....the Senate and the House.

If Obama really had any stellar ideas, an adequate Senate of any party would be able to eventually cut a deal with an inadequate Congress of any party.

Thus, either both the Democrat Senate and the Republican House are BOTH below adequate, or, more likely, the Dem Senate & the Dem President are actively continuing the political divisiveness they have become so good at. It is much easier to scream "Bush did it", "it's a war on women", and "the rich can pay for everything---- you deserve it". A lot like "The man is holding you down" from the 60s and 70s.
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