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Mar 26, 2017 13:18:47   #
letmedance wrote:
Apparently you are addressing things i have not said. We will leave it at that.


That's what socialist do........
They address only the concepts they know.
When you only see one side of an equation, the equation is never balance.
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Mar 26, 2017 13:16:41   #
Twardlow wrote:
Object all you wish. We live in civilization, and you profit from that. This is a condition we all agree upon, and if you don't, why the hell do you live here?

This is a democracy (don't bother to give me that 'Republic' crap) and we v**e and agree on what kind of Nation we have.

Sometimes things get agreed to that, individually, we don't agree with. S**t happens here.

The best advice I can give anyone is this: search for reality, and learn to live with it, 'caus it ain't gonna change, but it shure will change you.

I took a couple of trips to Nova Scotia recently, and you'd love it there. Why don't you try it?
Object all you wish. We live in civilization, and... (show quote)


I do not profit from civilization. I profit from commerce.
We all don't agree on anything.
You like to use the Royal "We". I didn't v**e for anything you like....
There is going to be some "S**t that happens" that you don't like.
The best advice I can give is do as the founder did and v**e for Liberty...
I'll stay right where I am and continue to fight for what I consider to be personal liberty.
In the end I may Shrug.
Time will tell. If the freedom caucus wins...You will loose. The socialist will loose....Individual Liberty will win.
Maybe there will be more wins......
Time will tell.....Tick....Tick....Tick.....
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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Mar 26, 2017 13:09:25   #
Twardlow wrote:
Actually, you don't hope that at all, do you?

I'll thank you to refrain from debt-teaching. I never take lessons in economic or political theory from those who get tangled is simple grammar, and eschew facts and reality.

Don't mean to be harsh, but that's the way it is.

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'Who get tangled is simple grammar"
LOL
Looks like you need the grammar lesson.
I think the important people understand what I write.
You can be as harsh as you want.
That's just the way you see it.......It's not the way it is.....
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Mar 26, 2017 13:06:31   #
letmedance wrote:
One might well be willing to help others but object to being forced to do the same. When one gives freely then he has knowledge of where his earnings are being used, when Uncle Sam takes it from him to redistribute it amounts to theft, remember Robin Hood was a thief.


A socialist can never understand your concept. That people give more willingly when things are not taken.
The individual can better decide than a government entity is a concept lost to the socialist.
That's right, Robin Hood was a thief. The only thing that made it justifiable is he stole from the government(king) who stole from the people.
"In my world there are no Caesars"
Our Caesar is not our president. It is our entire government.
The size of our government needs to be reduced on all fronts.
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Mar 26, 2017 12:05:18   #
Twardlow wrote:
Hope you enjoy your fantasys and improve your grammar.

Otherwise, let's drop it.


Hope you enjoy your socialist ways and improve your use of logic and reason.
Here is a little concept called Gravity.......
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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Mar 26, 2017 11:14:12   #
Twardlow wrote:
"Sorry, but if you take money our of anyone's pocket to make someone else benefit who does not earn the benefit."

What the hell does this mean?

If you're NEVER ill, and NEVER have an accident, and are NEVER unemployed, and NEVER need a little something to help you get through the month with an adequately full belly, then By God you are getting your pocket picked by being forced to sustain the benefits you never need, and you can complain....Wait! You have nothing but good in your life, economic and health perfection, and you resent giving a helping hand to someone less fortunate than you?

You are truly a mean spirited and undeserving SOB!
"Sorry, but if you take money our of anyone's... (show quote)


Sounds like you are the very "user" I am talking about.
Do you work for a living?
You seem to think that people would not get taken care of if someone else is not forced to pay for their care.
You seem to not recognize that you enable people to not work by creating a policy that rewards people for not working.
I know many many people on the street. I've hung out with the disenfranchised.
The ones that I met laugh at people like you. They live off of me by your v**e.
They get government checks.
Contrary to popular belief most of the people who live on the streets are their by choice of their on actions and your actions.
You enable them to be there. You prevent them from ever rising up because you pay them to keep them there by your v**e.
You seem to have a problem turning arguments on their end, to only recognize the benefits of a handout and not the harm it does.
Churches, voluntary groups, Voluntary doctors and local agencies did quite well taking care of the Disenfranchised. They did a whole lot better at not enabling their bad behavior.
We have homeless and poor, then you create more by the policies you aspire. A cycle of dependence off the backs of the poor guy who wants to work for a living to better his stay in life.
It seems to me that you are the one that is truly cruel. A few poor people is not enough you seem to want to create more by enabling bad habits and behavior.
You create bad habits by enabling those people by giving them a government check all at the expense of the guy that is doing things right....by working.
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Mar 26, 2017 10:03:09   #
nakkh wrote:
Will their plan make peoples lives better? Hell no.
Millions will suffer. They have a Bad Plan.


Who's lives are you talking about. Who is peoples lives?
Am I not people too. Yes it will make my life better.
Millions upon Millions will benefit.
The only people who's lives will not benefit are those that make my life worse.
Sorry, but if you take money out of anyones pocket to make someone else benefit who does not earn the benefit.
You hurt the very people that earn the benefit. You, make their life worse at the expense of making someone else's life better.
The people who don't understand this concept are the very people who have no problem taking from the many to benefit the few.
Welcome to socialism 1O1.
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Mar 25, 2017 17:48:09   #
BigWahoo wrote:
So what do we do?

Let every snake oil salesman claim what his wonder drug will do; and then let him sell it to every desperate and sick person. Then they can line their pockets with millions/billions on the back of uninformed people?


Fallacy.....Their are still snake oil salesman. Go out on the internet and you will find many "Cures for cancer".
I think I should be able to make choice of who sells snake oil and who does not.
I would go to reputable companies for my drugs just like why "Sears and Robuck" became the most trusted retailer.
People new what they would get from them.
Snake oil helps keep the price of Real oil down......
Sorry but I think most people are intelligent enough to make that decision for themselves.
Realistically not to much would change if the FDA was scaled way way back. The only thing that would likely change is that drug prices would come down.
I would legalize Heroin too. The prescription pain market would be crushed.
You want really hurt the drug companies in the right way...Make all illegal drugs legal.
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Mar 25, 2017 17:42:24   #
nakkh wrote:
"It is not in a companies interest to release drugs that do not work or cause harm."
What do thy care? Republicans are trying to pass legislation that will make it virtually impossible to sue corporations for damages.


Because they will go out of business.
Tort reform should happen.
How in the hell can someone sue the makers of Eliquis...The safest blood thinner on the market because someone died using it.
It was their choice to take it. Recommended by their doctor. Their was no negligence.
Like in any thing you buy except drugs.....Let the buyer beware.....
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Mar 25, 2017 17:39:26   #
nakkh wrote:
"Here's the reality- if the Freedom caucus ends up winning".
If they get their bill passed it will k**l thousands of Americans.
They want to eliminate:
- Emergency room visits
- Maternity care
- Prescription drug coverage.
- Mental health care
- Addiction treatment (FYI - There's a heroin epidemic you may have heard about in this country)
And more.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/what-is-the-freedom-caucus/
The Freedom caucus are a pack of jackals.

Single payer is the answer- Pure and simple.
" i Here's the reality- if the Freedom caucus... (show quote)


Corrections.
They want to end your Emergency care where I pay for it by using the coercive power of the state.
They want to end your Maternity care where I pay for it by using the coercive power of the state.
They want to end your Prescription drugs where I pay for it by using the coercive power of the state.
They want to end your Mental health care where I pay for it by using the coercive power of the state.
There is a heroin epidemic, has been a heroin epidemic and always will be a heroin epidemic.

You are already k*****g thousands of Americans through regulation and your answer is more regulation...
Sorry but the constitution never said you had the right to Medical treatment.
You have the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
If you think that the founders thought that life meant "Health Insurance", you need to go back and do some more reading.
Socialism is the polar opposite of individual liberty.
Individual liberty means I make the choices that are good for me and my family. You owe me nothing from your labor(if in fact you work).
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Mar 25, 2017 17:28:31   #
Twardlow wrote:
"It takes 300 million dollars on average for a drug to come to market now. No reason for that except government regulation"

Not so at all. Long complicated process of testing, huge risk of payments for medical errors--thank God for government regulation--remember thalidomide babies?

Do you ever watch the lawyers ads for collecting settlements for drug disasters?

How about those going up 15-20 times for untested drugs? Ugh!


Apparently you don't fully understand the history of thalidomide.
Thalidomide was not released in the U.S.
Thalidomide was not developed in the U.S.
The FDA was relatively small here when Thalidomide was released.
It is not in a companies interest to release drugs that do not work or cause harm. Look at the lawsuits currently going on against Xarlato, Pradaxa, Eliquis.
Never mind that those drugs have made blood thinners more safe and likely saved millions.
Not only does it cost $300 million to bring a new drug to market it can take 12 years.
How many people have we k**led by not allowing a drug to go to market quicker?
Shouldn't I have the right to make the risk for myself to take wh**ever I want if I had cancer?
Regulations deny me as an individual the right to choose what is best for me.
Drugs could be tested on a broader scale much cheaper than with FDA control.
Consumer Reports seems to do pretty good on revealing product problems.
What makes you think that a free market would not do the same for drugs?
You seem to always go back to socialism. Advocating government regulation and control.
You deny that something else could be better and benefit everyone as a whole better.
You deny ones on right to make the choice themselves for what is good for them.
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Mar 25, 2017 12:42:08   #
green wrote:
Ever since Ross Perot, and perhaps even before, it has been argued that a business approach to governing would cut through much of the red tape and bureaucracy that plagues the US government.

Today, will may see that theory put into action. We have Trump, the consummate negotiator, literally taking a play out of his own book by offering an ultimatum to Congress... pass THIS bill, or I'm moving on (Obamacare's fine with me) He's stated that he's not afraid to walk away and move on to tax reform, job's and infrastructure.

Now usually, you would think that Congress would grow a collective pair and thrash Trump for having the audacity to interfere in the legislative process... but these congressmen rode to power on repeal & replace the ACA, and even though Trump promised universal health care for less money, he knows that Congress wants it way more than he does. The wrong v**e could end many careers in 2018.

So, let's see what happens...
Ever since Ross Perot, and perhaps even before, it... (show quote)


Is it real or is it Memorex.....
I tend to believe this is only the first hand of the poker game.
When making any deal the first rule of thumb is you have to be able to walk away.
If you can't do that you lose.
There is not a chance that Democrats will get more of what they want in a second pass.
The Republicans will have to cave to the Freedom Caucus.
The way to do that is to pass the bill as it was originally was crafted years ago.
The real problem is that any entitlement that has ever been given has never been taken away.
This could prove to be the first one.
Here's the reality if the Freedom caucus ends up winning.
Everyone who buys insurance will pay less. They will also have more options.
The people who do not have insurance, will go back to the emergency rooms to get there critical care.
State funded public care will be the norm. Just like before ACA was implemented.
Any time you have a government subsidize a medical service in a society like ours, the medical field will figure out new ways to get that funding.
Everything will rise. The things that makes things more affordable is when some people cannot afford it. This is a sad t***h, but never the less a t***h.
In the event that drugs are deregulated the price of drugs will come.
It takes 300 million dollars on average for a drug to come to market now. No reason for that except government regulation.
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Mar 23, 2017 17:36:56   #
Twardlow wrote:
I don't agree at all. Socialism is a economic theory in which the government owns the means of production--look it up.

Of course, no one advocates that in this country.

The Social Democracy that Bernie advocated is much closer to the USA--government support of citizens, but a free enterprise economy.

Look that up, too.


LOL apparently you did not lookup what you asked everyone to look up.

Socialism
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

Can you understand the words "Owned or Regulated"?
You seem to have left out the word.....REGULATED......
You advocate regulation you are a socialist.....
I advocate Free Market non regulated solutions.... I am a capitalist.
I admit I am a capitalist.
Why not admit you are a socialist?
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Mar 23, 2017 12:16:55   #
I like this a lot.
Here's the question to ask yourself.
Would the story stand on it's on without a title?
This is a good determining factor if you include something or leave it out.
The snake and the apple is secondary here.
I didn't even notice it. I do believe it helps add interest.
I may have been able to draw a conclusion of intent based on the apple and the snake.
Maybe not.
The snake and apple does help bring about a thought of a greater context.
The bottom line is it's art. The message is personal to you...
Again
Good job!

P.S. I would darken the roses through the window slightly to more match the ones above. You could gradually increase the light as the roses fall to the bottom. This will help the lighting look a little more realistic.
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Mar 23, 2017 12:01:09   #
John_F wrote:
I dispute that Social Security and Medicare are socialism. In both one pays into a fund, which is to be leveraged by investment. One fund is for retirement which makes it to be like any orher retirement plan. Medicare operates the same; investment leveraging, not unlike any other health plan. The element that many conservatives dislike is that both mandate saving current earnings for the future use - how dare givernment tell me how to handle my money they say. Where things began to derail was Congress' restricting investment to Federal securities that were held to de-minimis earnings while the rest of the investment community was roaring - think 1945 - 1995. These actions by Congress in no small part enabled the winning of the Cold War. That our national language is English and not Russian can be chalked up to reduced earnings by Social Security and Medicare savings. It is payback time.
I dispute that Social Security and Medicare are so... (show quote)


Both systems are forced by the state. You can not opt out of Social Security or Medicare.
The fact that we can bare arms and having thousands of Nukes is why we will never speak Russian.
I assure you the founding fathers did not have Duck hunting in mind when they gave it's citizens the right to bear arms.
Because we have hundreds of millions of Arms we are pretty much guaranteed not to be ever invaded by a foreign force.
I say...How dare anyone tell me what is good for me. I should have the right to choose.
How dare anyone force me to buy something I do not want.
Welcome to Obamacare......Inch by Inch Individual liberty erodes.
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