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Aug 12, 2013 18:21:43   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
You did miss something, in fact you missed plenty. The Tarp program was started under Bush but you will recall that the bulk of the spending was done under the Obama administration, Bush's original request was peanuts to the package that the Obama administration finalized, it is good to see that your memory is at least good enough to parrot liberal talking points without missing a beat....

As far as your economic lesson, yes, aggregate demand, but what you sorely miss is that our economic model has drastically changed, we are not producing the jobs that the federal printing press is funding, those jobs are being created in BRIC countries where the environment much more condusive to attracting investment instead of moving it offshore.... Capital has no chains to bind it my friend, it finds its home in the most inviting neighborhood. So yes, Obama is creating jobs and lots of them, in Brazil, China, India, in Central and South American agriculture.... yes, pumping all that money out is greatly appreciated by Wall Street and those manufacturing in China..... good job!

Ha! You somehow find the cojones to speak of the Bush deficits, which I agree were outrageous as you call for more spending under the current feckless occupant of the White House, now that is true humor.

Yes, the dems still crying about Medicare Part D while low and behold it is coming in well under projected budgets and was a far lessor burden on our national budget than was the democratic plan which was defeated before the republican plan passed... You guys seem to have a very selective memory.

Yes, Bushes deficits.... I am still laughing at your arrogance..... you are a funny fellow...

2013 - $901 trillion budget deficit (projected)
2012 - $1.1 trillion budget deficit
2011 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit
2010 - $1.3 trillion budget deficit
2009 - $1.4 trillion budget deficit

2008 - $455 billion budget deficit
2007 - $162 billion budget deficit
2006 - $248.2 billion budget deficit
2005 - $319 billion budget deficit
2004 - $412.7 billion budget deficit
2003 - $377.6 billion budget deficit
2002 - $157.8 billion budget deficit
2001 - $128.2 billion budget surplus


Now Bush's 2008 spending included the initial TARP funding, even so..... BHO is truly amazing..... Bushes 2007 deficit 162 billion, Obama has still yet to see a year with under a trillion dollar budget...

And no, I do not see sufficient improvement in the economy, economies always rebound after a recession, our recovery under president Obama is one of the worst on record, he could have done nothing and we would have been in better shape than we are today... You can take your talking points somewhere else, I have looked at these problems with some consideration and nothing you have said has any meaning for the topic you are trying to address, you are throwing out statements as if you have made some kind of point when you have said nothing at all..
You did miss something, in fact you missed plenty.... (show quote)


2013--901 trillion? A 900x increase? The fact is the rate of deficit growth is slowing...someone who slings insults and sarcasm so easily should be a little more careful with basic fact-checking.
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Aug 12, 2013 18:15:00   #
Gitzo UH wrote:
Critical thinking ? Do you really call this "critical thinking"?
The "presumption" that Obummer is "the root of all evil"?
That's almost funny! If he isn't "the root" of ALL of it, he's sure as hell "the root" of MOST of it! And you want to talk about "basic fallicies"........the most "basic fallacy I can think of is nobama himself........every time he opens his mouth, nothing but "basic fallacies" ever come out of it!

And then you mention, "the very destructive "activities" of the of "the House" and the "Tea Partiers"......why don't we discuss "the very destructive activities of Harry Reid and his Senate Democrats" shall we ? Exactly what is it that the "House" has done that has caused you so much angst ? And exactly what does the "Tea Partiers" have to do with anything ? For that matter, exactly what ARE "Tea Partiers" while we're at it? The last I looked, no one has won an election, electing them to the "Tea Party", so it would obviously follow that there are NO taxpayer funds being wasted paying "Tea Partiers", unlike all of those completely useless, Democrat "slugs" over in the U.S. Senate, each and every one with his / or her three or four dozen staffers, all collecting more than many many dentists and brain surgeons make, for doing......what ? ( of course...."whatever Harry Reid TELLS them to do", right?) And of course, Mr. Genius Dazbo thinks we taxpayers should just continue to keep right on paying 100 useless people to shuffle papers, while all of us poor taxpayers go right on sending in our taxes while receiving very little (if anything) in return? And meanwhile, the "Tea Partiers".......who, in reality, are merely patriotic Americans, objecting to Nobama's grand, unaffordable care "scheme"....

It kinda sounds to me like you think anyone who objects to Nobamo's shananigans, should probably just "bend over" and pass Nobama the vaseline, huh? And that maybe WE seniors who are having OUR Medicare ROBBED of 750 billion (with a B), have no right to scream and yell about it, huh ? I don't know where YOU came from Jazbo, but I suggest you go back!
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Just another blowhard who cannot distinguish between insult and argument. Making fun of my screen name is the best you got? Really?

BTW, most the 750 B is mostly cracking down on Medicare fraud. Or are you so pissed with Obama that you would rather let the fraudsters have their fun?
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Aug 12, 2013 17:33:32   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Obamacare is going to be the train wreck that Baucus is forewarning us of, it is a mess, another fine example of government thinking that it can actually administer a program as comprehensive as a national healthcare program. As far as the Republican's offering no jobs plan? You have got to be kidding me! The republican's have offered several solutions and passed legislation in the House that would boost economic activity in our country, but how easy it is for dems to forget that they have all been tabled by Harry Reid. Now as far as your suggesting that the republican's are doing nothing really what you are suggesting is that because they will not go along with another massive spending bill with which they and those who sent them to DC do not support that they are doing nothing.... How easy it is for you dems to forget that the president got his $800 billion stimulus package on top of his $450 billion tarp package and just squandered the money away without following through on his promised infrastructure projects. Why are you not bitching about that! The single largest spending bill passed in the history of our country just pissed away! How foolish of you dems, even Keynesians understand that unless you actually build something of value extra spending by our government is just a quick fix that accomplishes little more than the creation of a bubble in the economy which is exactly what we are facing now.

The author of the article that you criticize had it exactly right! Obama has no real plan, and to please the extreme factions of his party he has passed legislation and created a regulatory environment that stifles economic growth. His answer is to throw a bunch more deficit spending on the fire that he has created as if it will have better results than the last time he did this... Are you really this blind? He has deficits the like which most could have never imagined until he took his office, he has been given most of what he has asked for to manage this crisis, he is a failure, his policies are typical of the left and they are not working which is no surprise as they have never worked in our economy. Now he is breeding into our economy and new class of dependent citizens, again the outgrowth of failed democratic thinking...

I have a little econ lesson for you.... The government does not create economic growth nor lasting jobs in the private sector, what they do do is reward their friends and those who do them favor with taxpayer dollars and not much else...

When Obama asks for a blank check, maybe you should ask him where those shovel ready jobs are...

Blame it on the House, just how long will you carry this fool's water?
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Pretty presumptive of you to label me a democrat when you don't know anything about me "You dems"!. Give yourself an A for critical thinking.

Republican jobs bill? You mean cut spending? We see how well that worked in Europe. Or do you mean cut taxes for the ultra-wealthy--the job creators? Well, here's a little econ lesson for you: Jobs are not created by the elites sitting around and deciding that they are either happy or unhappy with marginal tax rates. Jobs are created by aggregate demand in the economy. Take demand out of the economy (i.e., slash govt spending) and jobs disappear.

Or did I miss something? Cite a single Republican jobs proposal that did not involve cutting spending and I will consider it.

The TARP program was a Bush deal so maybe you should get your facts straight. The 800 Billion was not as effective as it could have been precisely because it was too small given the crisis left by Republican mis-management. And BTW, is the economy not better than it was in Jan 2009? Or are you still unemployed?

And where were you guys when Bush turned a surplus into staggering deficits? Or when Bush launched unnecessary wars with the national credit card? Or Medicare Part D which prohibits the Federal government from using the massive purchasing power to negotiate lower prices? THAT was just a Republican blow job for big Pharma.

You guys are hilarious.
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Aug 12, 2013 14:34:44   #
phcaan wrote:
It does, however the question is, do you qualify as "people"?


Is that the best you got? Come back when you think you are ready to talk to grown-ups.
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Aug 12, 2013 14:29:04   #
Gitzo UH wrote:
It's "pretty clear" to any rational thinking person that anything anyone says which tends to disagree with YOUR warped thinking must be "a rant"; perhaps rather than merely crying, you should point out ANY inaccuracies in the original post ?


The basic fallacy here is the lack of critical thinking and the presumption that Obama is the root of all evil, as well as the ridiculous assertion that Obama is trying to destroy the economy. No mention of the Republican-controlled House's lack of any proposal on jobs although they have throttled every jobs bill and infrastructure spending bill the administration put before them. But they do have time to repeal the ACA 40 times and do everything they can to close down a women's right to choose. It is the very definition of hypocrisy for right wingers to complain about Obama and jobs while choosing to ignore the very destructive activities of the House and Tea Partiers, including the idiotic sequester. Do you want Federal action on jobs or do you want to shrink the government and slash spending? Can't have both.
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Aug 12, 2013 14:16:59   #
Croce wrote:
Wrong Bazbo! What an arrogant SOB you are. You storm in here from your hiding place, know nothing about this forum, decry a post you disagree with as a rant and then tell us to conform to your forum rules. Just WITF do you think you are? The rule here is to use "Quote Reply" when replying to the post of another.


How's this? Does this little infraction really warrant the name-calling? Is this how you always respond to people who disagree with you?
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Aug 12, 2013 11:51:36   #
It is pretty clear from context and the positioning of the reply that I was responding to the original rant, with an aside to all of you who think that rant was brilliant. Try to keep up.
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Aug 11, 2013 14:43:50   #
What a hateful, spiteful rant. Re-read the text and take away all of the unsupported opinions and lurid descriptions, what do we have? Nothing really.

Just another right wing blow hard with big opinions and short of facts or reasoned analysis. When you understand the difference between insult and argument, you may have something worth listening to. Until then, you are not influencing anyone. Go ahead and flame me since insult is all you seem to have. To paraphrase Faulkner and Shakespeare, you are simply full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
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Aug 9, 2013 11:18:18   #
What a load of presumption, sweeping generalizations and illogigic without the benefit of evidence or reasoned analysis. One small ll point that illustrates just how far removed this is from rational thought: the whole point about Obama not sitting at the feet of patriotic family members is completely false in that Obama was raised by his grandfather who served with Patton's army in WWII.

Maureen (and the rest of you who think this is brilliant) needs to do basic fact checking. Truth matters.
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