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Jan 16, 2024 10:01:33   #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
No, what the vocal majority are hostile to is the insistence by the SOOC crowd that there’s no need for PP and that it’s a crutch.


The poll that is currently ongoing is producing some very interesting results. A surprising number of responders are indicating that they ask their cameras to produce both formats.

No one has ever heard me say that SOOC is the only way. I don't believe that, and I don't do photography that way. I am doing quite a bit of photography right now that requires me submit usable JPEGs for possible publication at the end of each session, but that's nowhere near the same as preaching that SOOC is the only way. And I have a lot of images from my D200 days that I really wish I had raw versions to work with.

What I do say is that today's cameras offer outstanding performance and a huge range of adjustments that easily support making print-ready JPEGs straight from the camera, even in what used to be considered very difficult situations. But accomplishing those results requires some amount of learning and the willingness to accomplish that learning. And the willingness to thi k a little bit differently. On top of all that, accomplishing those results can be done without causing any damage to the precious raw files.

And yes...I am aware that some raw enthusiasts follow some quite extreme methods to support their approach. But again, with the modern cameras that have been available for the last 10 years or so, that extremism is no longer necessary. I take no offense to the continued usage, only to the continued claim that "it is the only way," or even that "it is the best way."

So yes...there are extremes on both sides, but there is a significant imbalance.
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Jan 15, 2024 23:34:49   #
Thanks again to those who provided useful information. I have created a service case and will have this lens on the way to the Signal Hill repair center either tomorrow or Wednesday. It should come back as essentially a new lens, since it is cosmetically near-perfect.
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Jan 15, 2024 21:56:01   #
Longshadow wrote:
The question was prompted by a comment in another thread.

INSTRUCTIONS: Post only ONE WORD: "RAW"; "JPEG"; or "BOTH".
No dissertations, no explanations as to why, no opinions, no recommendations,...
no matter how badly you feel you have to.

ANY response other than ONE of the three words will not be tallied.


Both.
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Jan 15, 2024 20:40:59   #
Blenheim Orange wrote:
That is not at all true. Why make trouble on a thread started by a new member?

Processing is done on all digital images. Some prefer to let the camera do the processing. That is their choice.

Any image you post will be judged by the image, and no one even need know your process.


What I said is true. And yes, all images are processed in some way by the camera. What the OP and I are talking about is being very intentional to use available camera adjustments to achieve usable JPEGs straight from the camera. As long as people here are unaware of what has gone on, life is fine. Once they know, most posts shift to why it can't be done. And if it can, it certainly shouldn't be.
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Jan 15, 2024 16:13:08   #
User ID wrote:
Is in-camera processing considered SOOC ?


I consider it so. Otherwise, why pay all that money for cameras that can do it.

And the capabilities are pretty great. After our earlier discussion, I went back and looked at the difference in what my D200 offered in-camera against what my newer cameras can do. Huge difference. Moved me a lot closer to your thinking about the D200.
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Jan 15, 2024 14:31:32   #
bigruckus wrote:
I am fairly new at this site and am just curious as to whether or not there is a section for unaltered shots with maybe the exception of cropping? Thanks.


Just as a comment...you will find that the vocal majority here are quite hostile to the notion that it is possible to achieve worthy results directly from the camera (read that as "any camera).
You will get the best results by posting such images without comment or distinguishing notes. When responses come back positive, you can later inform that no processing was done.
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Jan 15, 2024 14:23:16   #
MJPerini wrote:
This has been quite informative, especially Jack & R G. Thank you, even though I do not use Lightroom and only use PS rarely

I tend to think of post processing as a “First, do no harm “ exercise.
If the image does not need de-noise, don’t do it, I try to use all the pixels but will need to straighten and crop sometimes , I prefer to look at as close to a finished image as possible so I do it first. I try to limit what I do to just what I think the image needs.
Therefore a set list of procedures seems the opposite of that. As for things like lens corrections, I try to use lenses that don’t need it. I’ll also use several t/s lenses which are very rectilinear and otherwise well corrected
I realize I am in a small minority here.
So I’m not prescribing what I do to anyone else. Great lenses draw great images so I’m trying to make my pictures worthy of the lenses that drew them.
This has been quite informative, especially Jack &... (show quote)


I agree with your approach. Processing as necessary should be done to optimize, not to fill a period of time. I do agree that proceeding in a logical or proven sequence has merit. But it's not a "once through and done" process. I participated in a comprehensive post processing workshop last month. Our leader demonstrated to us the significant number of interconnections and dependencies among the various adjustments. He showed us numerous cases in which subsequent adjustments altered carefully done changes made earlier in the process.

So any sequence, if intended as directing one pass and done, is almost certain to yield final results not representative of what was intended.
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Jan 15, 2024 11:45:43   #
bob fleer wrote:
Going to Columbia S. America for 3 weeks visiting my son and his family,
Will be in the Andes. I have a Canon 70D will bring my Tamron 18-400 as my every day lens when hiking and sight seeing. I also have a Tamron 150-600 thinking about bringing that for when we are stationary at my sons house, great place for birding from his deck overlooking jungle. I have a 1.4 Tamron tele converter. Having a variety of other lenses ie. 50mm 1.8 and a 10-18. kand of course a travel tripod.
any sugestions from my Hoggers.
Going to Columbia S. America for 3 weeks visiting ... (show quote)


Just a couple of observations and questions. I sense some familiarity with your son's home. I'm guessing that you may have visited before. I see from your profile that you are a birder. From what I know, Columbia is a near-ideal place to do that. So my guess is that your time will be spent on the patio and visiting birding locations with whoever wants to share the experience.

So the questions are whether you need your longest lenses in such a rich shooting environment and whether your 18-400 zoom can deliver images that you will be happy with. I can't answer either of those, but I'm betting that you can, with a little thought.
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Jan 15, 2024 11:29:58   #
rangel28 wrote:
I would give Nikon Customer Service a call, but I'm not sure if it's worth repairing, because of cost, or just buying used. I have that lens and have never experienced any of the issues you are describing and I have had no problems focusing with this lens at any focal length.


Thanks for your reply. Your information is what I was looking for. I got the lens for an attractive price, so have some room to pay for repair if needed. It is intended as a gift, so it needs to function properly, hence the questions
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Jan 15, 2024 11:18:44   #
This is an interesting discussion. Just a couple of comments..

Lens correction should be done early. It must be done before stitching a panorama. Many cameras will do lens corrections for branded lenses at the time of shooting. This is convenient and saves time later. If you do in-camera correction, do not follow up with a second correction during processing. And it's pretty easy to verify whether your camera applies the correction to raw files...just take two exposures ( one with correction, one without) using an extreme wide angle lens. See if the corner vignetting has been corrected.

Also...I would never crop an unprocessed image anywhere early in the process, before adjustments are made. There is no way to know for sure how peripheral components might look with adjustments, or how they might impact the finished image if left in place. (Never might be a little too strong a word, but you know what I mean. )
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Jan 15, 2024 09:23:24   #
camerapapi wrote:
The 16-80 f2.8-4 DX, VR lens was the only lens photographers of a cruise I took a few years ago used. All the images I saw were made with flash and all of them looked excellent.
It has to be a very good lens.


Thanks, but that isn't the question. I'm trying to determine whether mine is functioning as intended or whether it needs repair beyond what I've been able to do.
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Jan 15, 2024 09:17:32   #
lamiaceae wrote:
Seems rather pointless to discuss and debate someone else's image who is it seems not an UHH member that has no EXIF data. Might just ask someone in the Astronomy Section if the event could have even occurred and be captured on that date (12/29/23?). The Full Moon was December 26-27, I checked. Was there a launch and a full moon consistent with the launch site / pad. Some people follow these things? For me, these days if it looks too good (improbable), it probably is Photoshop and/or AI.
Seems rather pointless to discuss and debate someo... (show quote)


Yes...there was a well-publicized launch of an important rocket on the night of the full moon. I received several invitations from NASA to attend. There is nothing preventing this from being an actual exposure other than an unhealthy dose of uninformed skepticism. Of course, there is nothing preventing it from being a well-executed composite, either.
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Jan 15, 2024 09:10:50   #
JD750 wrote:
Yep the moon is predictable. What about the rocket? Do you think it will follow an exact path and how do you determine what that path is?


Rockets follow very well-defined paths at launch...at least on those occasions when everything goes as intended.
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Jan 14, 2024 23:15:12   #
MT Shooter wrote:
Try cleaning the lens' contacts with a Q tip dampened with alcohol. Finger oils can coat these contacts and causevthen not to fully function at times, often intermittently.


Thanks for the hint. I actually exercised the Manual/Auto switch on the lens a number of times. That seems to have made a big improvement...the lens now at least tries to focus every time instead of just sitting silently.

Still looking into the compressed focus throw situation at the short focal length end. I figured it would be easier to get a understandable answer from a user than from Customer Support.
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Jan 14, 2024 21:12:28   #
bela1950 wrote:
Hi,
I need your help. My Nikon D500 suddenly makes a clicking noise when it is set on Shutter priority Live view. It is silent when live view is not on.
All other modes are silent in live view. Only Shutter priority has this issue.
While it is set to Shutter priority Live view, if I move the camera without touching any controls, buttons, etc. I can hear a clicking inside the camera. I changed lenses and it still makes a noise. It's in the camera. This is only mode when I hear noise. Any suggestions are appreciated
Thank you.
Hi, br I need your help. My Nikon D500 suddenly ma... (show quote)


It's the aperture changing as light levels change. If you have an "E" lens, mount it and see what happens. E lenses use a stepper motor instead of the mechanical linkage to set the aperture. It's almost silent.
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