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Jan 16, 2024 15:54:15   #
Ednsb wrote:
boy am I going to be the outlier. I have a v600 and it is good for prints at 600 dpi but the resolution numbers it quotes for negatives and slides aren’t accurate. I believe the reason is they are interleaving but I am not sure but I do know talking to a professional scanning company I trust that is so. Also your negatives and slides should be at 4000 dpi minimally. I spent years scanning everything with the flatbed scanner using silver light. There were at least 2 things I learned - cull cull cull oh those are 3 things. I scanned everything and the flatbed scanners are not fast especially you using some of the advanced features like dust removal (don’t it makes your images soft). So I am in a current project where I am culling thousands of negatives and slides. When I am done I will either decide to have the scanning company do the scans or do it myself using a copy stand, mirrorless camera, macro lens and light source. So much faster, just make sure they are clean as possible. Good luck
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These old photos from 2 and three generations back are all at exist. It's either deal with what you have or have nothing. On the other hand, the photos I have taken will have some that are not so good. My standard practice is to scan, look at them on the computer, then decide wether or not to keep.
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Jan 16, 2024 15:43:32   #
74images wrote:
Have you looked at the High Speed Negative Scanners, that are Listed at B&H & Amazon?

They Scan Negatives Real Fast, but the Downside, they don't do Slides.

74images


I will look into that when the time comes. Thanx.
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Jan 16, 2024 15:42:30   #
burkphoto wrote:
One of the challenges with scanners is focus. The scanner lens is normally focused on the top surface of the glass bed, for sharp images of prints. But if you put slides in mounts in a slide holder, or negatives in a film holder of some sort, that raises them above the glass. Some scanners compensate for this, and some don't. A few, like the Epson V850, have two lenses, one for larger media placed on the glass, and one for smaller media in holders.

If you put a piece of film directly onto the scanner glass bed, experiment with whether it should be emulsion UP, or emulsion DOWN, for the sharpest focus. Do the same with slides and negatives in film holders. You can always flip the image in software, if needed to make it "right-reading."

Unfortunately, placing a negative on scanner glass "base side down, emulsion up" may lead to the appearance of Newton's rings. There is little that can be done to minimize that, short of using a film holder.

There are a few "height adjustable" film holders available on Amazon and from other dealers. These enable you to adjust the height of the holder ever so slightly, in an effort to achieve better focus.
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OK. You just addressed a concern I have wondered about. The old odd sized negative that I scanned directly on the glass turned out sharp. But I have wondered what the thickness of the plastic holder (and the curl in slides and strips) would do to focus. Now to learn about "Newton's Rings".
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Jan 16, 2024 15:31:52   #
burkphoto wrote:
I find the exact opposite to be true. I can scan a whole uncut 36 exposure roll in five minutes with the camera setup. If the film is in strips of six frames, add a few minutes.

With Negative Lab Pro 3.x, a plug-in for Lightroom Classic, I can have all the negatives' initial conversions done in another 10-15 minutes or so. Then they are ready for cull editing and fine tuning (cropping and spotting, masking, etc.) in LrC. I've done thousands of them this way.

I cut my teeth copying film to film in the 1980s for slide shows. Then I ran a high volume digital scan lab in the early 2000s, scanning several million portraits each Fall on nine long roll Kodak Bremson HR500 scanners (on three shifts, with three operators per shift, each running three scanners). So I'm very sensitive to anything that slows me down. The V600 was slow as molasses. It was fine for 120/220, but camera scanning is still faster.
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Ok. I am not doubting you. If you have all the equipment you speak of and know how do use it. If I can no longer buy it, and have to make it, that presents other problems and added time, plus the need for a place to set it all up. This project involving all the negatives will be a year or three down the road after I have finished all the Family photos. I am hoping to add some these family photos to FamilySearch.org as part of my family's history.

I have copied a photo using my camera, a tripod, and my south facing bay window for light. Nothing fancy. But when I presented a friend with a photo that she had lost in a fire, of her daughter, she was quite pleased. Be assured that I will consider everyone's advice. But please do not be offended if I opt for another option.
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Jan 16, 2024 15:09:45   #
Bill_de wrote:
Since you will be finished soon, can I send you mine?


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Me next!
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Jan 16, 2024 15:08:28   #
Architect1776 wrote:
Just scanning them is a million times easier.
Scan the neg directly to the computer folder.
When done scanning several or whatever open the folder and crop as needed and if desired do a little PS as would be done regardless and wow, done.
So much quicker and easier.
Ps the scanner allows you to crop to just the area you want to and crop 3-4 or whatever number of negs on the bed into separate images and wa la again easily done in no time flat and no cutting or fooling around.


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Jan 16, 2024 15:05:34   #
burkphoto wrote:
In which case, mounting them on card stock and photographing them with a macro lens using a high CRI video light panel* works great. 25 years ago, when we did optical printing in the lab, all cut negatives were mounted on peg-registered cards with apertures in them that corresponded to various sizes of negatives and the printer lens decks needed to print them. While they are no longer made, you can design your own, print outlines of the format size on them with a laser or inkjet, then cut out the center of each format with a single-edge razor or X-Acto knife. We used a mylar tape to attach the negative to the side of the card facing the light source, and the emulsion side of the film facing the lens.

*Light source must be diffused with milk Plexiglass or Perspex.

Those with Epson V-800 and V850 scanners can get holders for film up to 4x5, sold on the Internet (Amazon).
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Aaaahhhh!!!
I think I just got lost in the dust.
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Jan 16, 2024 15:00:45   #
burkphoto wrote:
If you have 120-size negatives (6x6 cm, 6x4.5cm, 6x7cm, 6x9cm, etc.), then the V-600 does a really nice job with them. Use the negative holders that came with the scanner. If you have 35mm negatives, the scanner may disappoint you.

I suggest you give my white paper a reading. I use my digital camera, a macro lens, a copy stand, a film holder, a video LED light panel, and some special software to do a professional-level camera scan. It's all detailed here:

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OK! WOW!

I loaded up my printer and set it to printin'! Just looking at the photos, you are wasaayyy ahead of me and my technical expertise of photography. But I will read this later today and safely store it in my notebook. There should be a thing or 20 that I can learn from this.

Many thanx.
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Jan 16, 2024 14:43:19   #
Architect1776 wrote:
Remember the op has over 100 year old negs it appears. Likely they are not 35mm.
Newer ones perhaps but older not likely. Should use film area guide with these negs or if a flat glass panel was provided use that for negs if the guide is too small.


No, only the photos I have taken in the last 50 years have the negatives. I have found a couple or rolls 35mm that Dad took that would be 60-70 years old. And one large negative taken in the late 40's, or early 50's based on the car in the image. When I seem who was in the image, it was a real hoot to share the PP'ed photo with his daughters.
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Jan 16, 2024 14:35:37   #
Tote1940 wrote:
Agree that scanning negs better than prints, specially textured paper.
Consider Vuescan, to my taste better than software that came with all of my scanners flat and film.
Consider saving as TIFF sure larger file but if you want to go back to Photoshop later more information available.
Be carefull with dust removal feature only use on color negs or non Kodachrome, funky effects in Kodachrome or B&W
Good luck and plenty of patience but very rewarding


There are many that I have already saved as TIFF files. It kind of depends on if I think I may want to crop or zoom in on a part of the image. Thanx.
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Jan 16, 2024 14:30:46   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Or edit / touch-up in Lightroom ...

My Epson has a 'frame' for 6x 35mm negatives. I agree with the idea: just bulk scan the negatives six at a time. Worry about culling later against the resulting digital image files. If you have the negatives vs prints, go with the scan of the 'original', the negative. Put the curled negatives in a big heavy book to flatten. Give it a day or so to do that flattening work.


A lot of my negatives are stored rolled in their original 36+ frame format. Some I cut to fit notebook storage sleeves. Some were cut by the developer. But that will be some day in the future. Big books should be no problem to find in my house. Finding the packages of photos and negatives might be another problem.
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Jan 16, 2024 14:21:04   #
Steved3604 wrote:
Consider using VueScan scanning software with the Epson. Some of the best software around for scanning negs -- use it with my Epson, Canon and Nikon scanners. Works great for large jobs. My opinion -- scan the negatives if you have a choice of negs or prints of the same picture and do final adjustments in Photo Shop.


I will look into VueScan. Thanx
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Jan 16, 2024 14:17:15   #
JeffDavidson wrote:
A proper scanning of the negative should give a better result than from a print which will include the texture of the paper.


I had not considered the texture of the paper. I assume that glossy prints would be better than any other surface. And considering that a lot of them were taken at car shows, I probably elected for glossy if I was given a choice. But everyone so far has indicated that scanning negatives will be better for more than one reason.
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Jan 16, 2024 14:10:22   #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Consider the ideas and process here for a V600: Scanning your old film negatives


Thanx!
That's a lot to digest in one setting. Thank goodness this will be easy to find so that I can refer back to it.
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Jan 16, 2024 12:49:31   #
bsprague wrote:
There is a company that makes special glass inserts to hold curled film flat.

http://www.betterscanning.com/scanning/models/v500.html


I took a quick look at the website, found a home page, and saved it to my photography favorites. Thanks
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