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Sep 15, 2011 16:10:17   #
gessman wrote:
If it's okay with the rest of you folks in here, I'm going to withdraw from further comment about old age related ideas, lol, for the near future by saying that a good portion of my recent shots, like the fox that everyone seems to like so much in my "critters" post have been shot while I was sitting in my car. I didn't want to tell you that 'cause I didn't want those of you still climbing around on and fallin' off of rocks and stuff to get angry with me or come out here 'cause the traffic is already real bad out here and any more lined up car fumes might make MY elk go extinct. So, like the bumper sticker back in the '70s said, "Welcome to Colorado, now go home." Better yet, just stay where you are. I'm likin' my "drive by shootings" and don't want to be worryin' about steering around a bunch of you and stuff like that. Not only might MY elk disappear if you come here, but then there's all those noisy shutters and candy bar wrappers, beer cans, and...
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I'm quite sure we will be seeing you around this forum, I like your sense of humor and witty sarcasm :thumbup:
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Sep 15, 2011 16:07:53   #
sinatraman wrote:
evandr my deepest condolonces about the loss of your wife. Having never been married I don't know how that feels but i do know its GOTTA SUCK BIG TIME. I pray you find peace and comfort. If its Gods plan for you to meet another special lady, he will put thre right one in the way till you trip over her. As for me, I am not a bad boy, don't have buns of steel 6 pack abs, or a thick wallet so as far as women are concerned I might as well be invisable. Besides the single women in vero beach are old enough to tell you where they were when they heard the news that President LINCON had just been shot :lol:
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Thank you for your condolences Sinatraman; it is tough but as a Mormon my faith in God and belief in eternal relationships gives me great comfort, I truly believe that she is now, and alweays will be, involved in my life and that of our children and grandchildren.

If I may say something, your picture denotes a good looking man and I can assure you that a fat wallet is not what most women are looking for, respect for yourself and the ability to respect them is paramount. You must stop believing that you are invisible or you will be; I know because that is how I was until someone gave me this exact advice, I was single until I was 29 and thought pretty much the same way you have indicated. Remember, build it and they will come - a phrase that was made about construction but also holds true for the human condition. Don't worry about women and never pine over one (I did for years), work on perfecting yourself and the time will shortly come when you will have to beat off the women with a stick.
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Sep 15, 2011 15:51:25   #
gessman wrote:
evandr wrote:
gessman wrote:
Hey Evandr, I've got good news and bad news for your birthday. I took the liberty of checking on your male/female stats in Tooele City for you. Like I suspected it would be, from ages 45 to 59 there are 2390 males and 2276 females. The good news is that I was right in my suspicions about what ratio I would find. The bad news is that you're sure gonna have to get all slickered up and smellin' purty when you go out on Saturday night 'cause there's 113 or you guys in Tooele without a woman. That's a lot. I think the best thing you could hope for is to put an advert in the Salt Lake paper announcing that stat or hope that there's more of them young men somewhere gropin' each other than you'd like to think. Estimates are that only 1.5% of men are guy-gropers even though they like to puff up their numbers to something more like 10%. You're just going to have to get slickered up dude. Get out your old math book and dust off your bell curve and put those eligible females where you think they'll best fit and then go after that part that best suits you, figuring that 10% are gonna be real keepers, 10% are gonna be tossers, and 80% are going to be more or less painful to work with, dependin' on which side of the bell YOU slide off on. And, good luck to ya.
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Hey, I’ve been a widower less than a year after 26 years of happy marriage so I am in no hurry, but truth be told I am already having to politely turn a few interested parties away, not because there is something wrong with them but because I am simply not ready to start dating yet, I love my camera and the freedom to get out by myself and do some serious shooting way too much right now, not to mention not having somebody tell me that there are better things to do with $1600 than buy that lens that I so covet.

There will always be a good woman in the wings but the ability to do what I can as a single person with no kids at home is far too enjoyable to worry about what will eventually happen on its own. What will be will be - I'm just gearing up for it - literally, besides, that is what my late wife told me to do "Don't spend the rest of your life alone but do be ready when they time comes". She passed away last November from ovarian cancer.
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You're right and it's time for me to be a little more somber and respectful. We endured the advent of ovarian cancer in 2008 and for some reason I was spared the anguish you've had to endure and I want to extend my sincere condolences and agree fully that you sound like a man who deserves to think of yourself alone for a little while as you regain your equilibrium and focus on life and your interests. While I wasn't forced to endure your experience in the end, we shared everything up to that point, believe me, and I was faced with contemplating your delimma so I've "been to the well." I know whereof you speak and am discomforted by your lack of alternatives. Please forgive me if my adolescent frivolity has interfered with your attempt to gain some solitude.
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Our conversations have been light, informative, and, at times, enjoyably sarcastic; like you said a while back I can see how things really are with people so no apology needed, I have enjoyed this foray into how photography and personal lives mix.
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Sep 15, 2011 15:37:21   #
dpullum wrote:
Yes, this has ended up as a writers forum and I am will copy as fast as possible and sell as a humor book,,,, (lol)

You better coppy fast because I am beating you to it
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Sep 15, 2011 15:29:12   #
gessman wrote:
Hey Evandr, I've got good news and bad news for your birthday. I took the liberty of checking on your male/female stats in Tooele City for you. Like I suspected it would be, from ages 45 to 59 there are 2390 males and 2276 females. The good news is that I was right in my suspicions about what ratio I would find. The bad news is that you're sure gonna have to get all slickered up and smellin' purty when you go out on Saturday night 'cause there's 113 or you guys in Tooele without a woman. That's a lot. I think the best thing you could hope for is to put an advert in the Salt Lake paper announcing that stat or hope that there's more of them young men somewhere gropin' each other than you'd like to think. Estimates are that only 1.5% of men are guy-gropers even though they like to puff up their numbers to something more like 10%. You're just going to have to get slickered up dude. Get out your old math book and dust off your bell curve and put those eligible females where you think they'll best fit and then go after that part that best suits you, figuring that 10% are gonna be real keepers, 10% are gonna be tossers, and 80% are going to be more or less painful to work with, dependin' on which side of the bell YOU slide off on. And, good luck to ya.
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Your numbers are very interesting and the balance is closer than I would have expected but there are angles that cannot be put on a census, "personality and compatability", older women have had to put up with men and the intellegent ones know what a good man is made of so all I have to do is have the intellegence to know what a good man really is and then stack the deck in my favor. For any man who can do that the field will be wide open.

I’ve been a widower less than a year after 26 years of happy marriage so I am in no hurry, but truth be told I am already having to politely turn a few interested parties away, not because there is something wrong with them but because I am simply not ready to start dating yet, I love my camera and the freedom to get out by myself and do some serious shooting way too much right now, not to mention not having somebody tell me that there are better things to do with $1600 than buy that lens that I so covet.

There will always be a good woman in the wings but the ability to do what I can as a single person with no kids at home is far too enjoyable to worry about what will eventually happen on its own. What will be will be - I'm just gearing up for it - literally, besides, that is what my late wife told me to do "Don't spend the rest of your life alone but do be ready when they time comes". She passed away last November from ovarian cancer.
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Sep 15, 2011 13:40:04   #
Greg wrote:
someone toying with HDR?


Yes, I did do these in HDR but I try to make it not so obvious. HDR is an evolving art and I have a lot to learn but I do enjoy it, however, it is not to be used on everything nor should it be over done. I only copmbined 2 images on the first one and three on the other two. Due to the subject matter I made an artistic decision to maintain the high contrast and elevated saturation in the last two, it looked more appealing to me.

As HDR evolves and becomes more refined and as it becomes a more and more common method of photo manipulation, recognizing it will become less and less automatic.
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Sep 15, 2011 13:34:22   #
gessman wrote:
There's one other thing I failed to mention. I did a lot of work with the census a few years back, doing demographic research work for my own edification. One thing I did, not for personal use but in researching for a piece I was writing, was to count, zipcode by zipcode, the number of men and women at various age levels to see how badly women outnumber men since so many women were complaining that there weren't enough men to go around. I don't mean I literally "counted them." I can do a little database programming so it was quick and painless for me and very efficient.

I don't mean this to be discouraging on your birthday but, what I found was, from 18 to 55, through the most likely courting years, men outnumber women in our society. That draws to a near tie at 65. Then and only then do women start to outnumber men on up to the end. Need I point out that most of the women who constitute the numerical advantage we hear about are in some kind of institutional living arrangement which also speaks to many other issues such as political power, etc. My database I created could be manipulated to show which zipcode, in descending order, all 43,043 of them, where a woman could go to find the most favorable zipcode where the ratio of men to women was the greatest without respect to the issue of how many were actually available, read that "married" which seems to be less of an issue now. I did the analysis in 1993 comparing the '80 and '90 census. That said, we don't change as much as we might think or as fast. My analysis would still be good today in 95% of the instances. It also worked the other way around for men too but a person has to be capable of "getting there" where the odds are most fertile. That's not always the easy part. I was also analyzing for several other reasons and that was just a little part of what I was doing but nonetheless, very interesting.

By the way, I sure like your work with the old house. That ol' demon rum. Looks like someone enjoy themselves "'til their house fell down around them." I've been hearing that all my life but that's the first time I've seen enough evidence to justify the saying, albeit circumstantial.
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:-D :-D Ya know, I think you and I would be great friends if we live close enough, I like your wry style and the information you just gave me is great albeit I do not know exactly why my perseption is that women outnumber men in my demographic, I'll just have to take your word for it.

As for mating habits, well, I never said women in their 50's were all bad and/or ugly, only that it came as a rude awakening to me; there has to be some chemestry there because I would rather be alone than tied to a warm body that I can't bear to be around, it wouldn't be fair to either of us. Perhaps it will be just me and my camera for the rest of my life, I do have family; perhaps that will have to do socially for me, but alas, only time will tell but I do love the company of attractive women (for their age and in my age range) who have level and intellegent heads on their shoulders.
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Sep 15, 2011 11:54:27   #
dpullum wrote:
Hay all you guys with creaking joints, including me! I listened to Coasttocoastam regarding lyme disease by a man named Tom Grier, http://www.canlyme.com/

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2011/09/14

The diagnosis of Lyme disease is difficult as is the treatment and the symptoms cause problems with joints, nervous system etc. I had the big Bulls Eye tick bite and was told flatly that it could not be lyme disease because it is not in Florida, only in New England. Fired him went to another, test was negative, but test is only 30% good.

The ticks got on me while laying down photographing beautiful lichen on a rock.

Tom Grier, was diagnosed via symptoms as having MS! but eventually got better with treatment for Lyme disease.
Worth reading about.
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The right clothing can be just as important to a good shoot as the right equipment. Some things are unavoidable like an occasional bug finding its way to a sweet spot on your skin but you can stack the odds in your favor.

I learned this one day when walking through a field of short weeds to photograph a delapidated building (see pictures). The little pointy seed pods that embeded themselves into my white socks and then proceeded to jab my ankles made the whole shoot miserable. I had to throw the socks away even though they were new because I never could get all the little stickers out. Lesson Learned!

At Rush Lake near my home in Tooele, Utah


A little post production work going on here


Somebody sure like their Black Pearl Spiced Rum!

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Sep 15, 2011 03:19:49   #
gessman wrote:
sinatraman wrote:
I have to thank you guys. I turn 50 in 15 days, got upset at my first invitation to join aarp. Used to get spam email about hot russian girls want to meet you. Now I get meet sexy seniors fifty and older. argh. But next to you all I feel like a teenager. did not mean that in an insulting way. In truth I find it inspiring that you are still dedicated and enjoying your craft. not to mention producing quality work so vastly better than mine that has left my photo ego wimpering in the corner. All teaasing aside I wish you all the best of health and happy shooting. :thumbup: :D :P
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Hey Sinatraman, we'll give you 15 days to learn the words in case you don't already. I'll get you started and you can google the rest if you don't know 'em. Here we go... "and now the end is near and I can see the final curtain... lah lalah lalah... It's all over buddy. It's downhill from here. You'll come to a point where the only thing you can comfortably shoot with that long zoom lens is a picture of your lower legs and feet. It's comin' man, I'm just warning ya.

:D
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Heh Heh Heh, if your humor was any drier I'd be chocking on your dust; ya gotta love it LOL :) :-D I turned 57 today and the hardest part about being a widower is coming to grips with the reality that the only women really availiable to you are in thier 50's or desperate - think I'll take my time but but not too much. On the bright side women love a good photographer who can make them look younger than they are so maybe I should get good at doing that. Perhaps I will meet my next wife at a photo shoot. :thumbup:
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Sep 14, 2011 19:20:01   #
fivedawgz wrote:
evandr wrote:
gessman wrote:
...and I think back to just before I started this aroung 60 and all those encouraging words like, "it'll be a real good hobby for when you get older." Me arse! It just frustrates me, knowing what I want to do and not being able to do it or if I do, not enjoy it. I know it's all attitude and that you're gonna hurt anyway but some of us aren't as even tempered as others. Guess which one I am? Maybe it's good for my circulation, to get all steamed up like some kind of brat 'cause I can't get "over there" and get that shot I want. Still, it'll be alright, eh?
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Yes, yes you will, I think you have just the right mix of vinager and determination. Truth be told, the view through a viewfinder is probably the last thing you will see in mortality, at least that is how I want to go.
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It IS hard. On the other hand, death is easy and I have some good friends who are going down that final road and I think, however hard this one is, I'm glad I'm here and not there. I have friends with MS who can't walk, but still manage to get out and shoot or paint (whichever is their thing) ... and others with relatively minor issues that just sit around and get mouldy. So much depends on your mindset. I'm in a lot of pain a lot of the time, but I recognize that no matter what I do or don't do, I'll still be in pain, so I might as well do something. Can't make the pain stop, but I can try really really hard (with mixed results, I admit) to not let it win. Hang on in there. You are NOT alone.
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I guess my day will come when pain is my frequent companion. I just hope I can harbor the same "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" attitude you guys have. I admire the both of you for that. So, from the words of my favorite photography mentor Bryan Peterson - Lets just keep shooting!!
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Sep 14, 2011 15:20:22   #
gessman wrote:
...and I think back to just before I started this aroung 60 and all those encouraging words like, "it'll be a real good hobby for when you get older." Me arse! It just frustrates me, knowing what I want to do and not being able to do it or if I do, not enjoy it. I know it's all attitude and that you're gonna hurt anyway but some of us aren't as even tempered as others. Guess which one I am? Maybe it's good for my circulation, to get all steamed up like some kind of brat 'cause I can't get "over there" and get that shot I want. Still, it'll be alright, eh?
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Yes, yes you will, I think you have just the right mix of vinager and determination. Truth be told, the view through a viewfinder is probably the last thing you will see in mortality, at least that is how I want to go.
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Sep 14, 2011 15:16:09   #
bull drink water wrote:
hi,
i feel your pain,{actually it's my own},i suffer from most of the same things. i am 72.if i can't drive up to it ,or get there on my electric scooter i am out of luck.in the end it's you eye,what you can handle, and the best use of your equipment.
your pictures look great.keep up the good work and don't look back.
B D-W



Bryan Peterson loves to teach people, as well as show by example, that with the right skills and just about any camera a person can find wonderful photo opts near the edge of any road and within the confines of their own back yard; I believe him. In any case, if you need a willing pack mule then that is what kids and grandkids are for, take them out and teach them something, they will eat it up and the quality time together is priceless.

No kids or grandkids? then there are the neices and nephews, friends and their kids and so on and soforth. There is a great deal of satisfaction that comes from watching the spark and excitment in a young person's eyes as they are bitten by the shutterbug. If you have a lot of experience, (it does not take a degree), start a club with a few people and/or their children and mentor them, they will pack you and your equipment anywhere you want to go.
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Sep 14, 2011 14:42:32   #
gessman wrote:
Hah! My orthopedic surgeon mri'd my shoulders and said the last time he'd seen a pair of rotator cuffs like that was on a dude who was in a plane crash. I told him I felt a lot better after his comforting words. Made me feel like my motorcycle crashes and fast pitching softball were too unimportant to complain about. I'm hearing some good stuff in this post and every time I pick up that EOS 5D MkII with 15 feet of lens on it, I'm gonna be haunted by everything you folks are saying here - 'til I do something about it. I've done run my nearby Wally World nearly out of naproxen. My conundrum is complicated by the fact that diabetic neuropathy keeps me from "walking right up" and firing off a few shots. If I can't get over the urge to shoot, I'm gonna have to figure this one out pretty soon. It may just be me and the history channel 'fore long. I wasn't figuring on being here 75 years or I'd probably have done some things different. There's days when photography isn't fun at all.
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My Oh My, Sounds like you need to wheel yourself down to the Old Photographer's Bone Yard - but then again maybe not, you just keep going on location and hefting that 10 or 15 lb. camera up to your face, that will keep those juices flowing!

As for days when photography is no fun - well, never been there; as long as I have strength in my finger to release a shutter I will be taking pictures, even if that means sitting in a wheel chair with my camera on a tripod, teathered to a small laptop and a 600mm lense pointing out my front room window, the neighbor's dog will be well photographed. LOL :) (wait, I'm sorry - No LOL's allowed when talking to people who like masking their talented and friendly selves behind a somewhat transparent sarcastic grumpymask LOL - OOPS, there I go again, just can't help myself LOL) I still think that is a good looking beard you are sporting :thumbup:

On a serious side I hope your challenges do not seriously get in the way of your love for photography and the evident skill you posses - you just keep shooting even if that camera has to be small enough to hide in the palm of your hand - with skill and talent that is all you need!
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Sep 14, 2011 13:41:01   #
My dear fivedawgz, I'm sure you already know that it is the photographer and not the camera. With your experience I think you could take better pictures with a fuji disposable camera than most youngsters can take with the best Hasselblad they could lay their hands on. I heard of such a happening from a friend who's father bought an expensive Leica to remedy his inability to take good pictures with his Pentax; needless to say it did not work and he took the Leica back with a fist full of complaints only to have the dealer fill him in on a few facts about taking good pictures.

If I were in your shoes I would opt for the Leica D-Lux - an expensive camera to be sure but there is more than one pro who never goes anywhere without one in his/her pocket (or at least nearby) even when they have their big whoop-dee-do cameras with them.
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Sep 14, 2011 11:03:00   #
Briggett wrote:
First of all great layerin of different photos! I havent even began to think about that yet, I will have to start being more creative to catch up ;) But to answer the original question about layering that may refer to the different things you can do with one picture, I believe you can do it with most programs. I use Photoshop and if you select the layers bar at the top it will give you different things like filters and gradient tools, you can experiment by trying each one. once you get something you like add another layer and keep adjusting, hope this helps!
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The key to good layering is good Masking and Blending; that is the make-or-break ability in a program's usefulness as an effective layering tool. I personally do not think that any program not specifically designed to do this can come even close accomplishing the task as well as one that is and that includes the all mighty Photoshop - I know from experience because it is one of the core abilities in what I do in my graphics arts business - I have compared them all. I rely heavily on the power, ease of use, and precession of Vertus Fluid Mask; not real expensive yet (IMHO) it is the gold standard by which all other masking tools can be measured.

Here are a few more examples in the project I am currently working on





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