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Jun 18, 2016 14:31:15   #
idaholover wrote:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/17/homeland-security-report-calls-for-rejecting-terms-jihad-sharia.html



Impossible! Didn't our president go on tv just this week and mockingly say adjectives have no effect on the war on terror????????
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Jun 18, 2016 14:26:29   #
dljen wrote:
I sure hope you guys will give women the same freedom, the freedom of choice.



Donna,

That's a nice platitude, but I would encourage the normal left (I hope that includes you) to not isolate on the furthest right. It is my observation that out here, in Wisconsin, and in New Mexico, there are very few people who want to actively eliminate "a******n". However, I would say that close to everyone I know in the three places, including Dems and GOP, are dead set against late term a******ns and most are against publicly funded a******ns.

In other words, choice is there TO A POINT. I, for one, can't figure out why that's not good enough for,us all to move on outside of political division. I fact, how about our elected i***ts get together and set the definition above for a******n and as a trade off get the backround checks and a reasonable "no fly" procedure????
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Jun 18, 2016 09:37:15   #
Keenan wrote:
No, your attempt to claim that my point about assault weapons being a relevant issue to how many potential victims there are, which also happens to be in keeping with the topic of this thread, is somehow "changing the narrative", is what is revisionism and your attempt to divert and misdirect. It is also bulls**t. Fail. Try again.



As usual, your wrong, a revisionist, etc. Come on, man! You tried a revisionist attempt at your post and you got called in it.

Cowgirl up and move on, Keenan. You lose.
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Jun 18, 2016 09:35:02   #
SteveR wrote:
Allah is a monotheistic god. The Christian and Judeo God is Trinitarian. That the Trinitarian God is still One God is not the same as a monotheistic god being one god. That God is Love comes from His Being as a Trinitarian God trough eternity past. Love is one of God's attributes. The same cannot be said of Allah. God and Allah are not the same.


Your opinion, bro. Clearly not necessarily the opinion of, say..........the Catholic Church given the article I posted.
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Jun 17, 2016 17:12:15   #
Both parties are sunk.....the difference is the GOP knows it, the Dems are still desperately clutching their Brie and chard while the whistle in the graveyard for ABC (anyone but Hilary). That's why they are trying so hard to force their pick of VP on her.

The GOP? They have started their change with Trump. He is what would be termed an "agent of change" to start the revolution, not the revolutionary leader himself.

JOMO.
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Jun 17, 2016 17:09:05   #
Keenan wrote:
Sorry, but why does one have to be an "expert" to take a moral stance on mass murder? You don't make any sense. Typical gun nut "logic".


Keenan.....,again, you're trying to use typical progressive revisionism to miss wh**ever point you attempted!

You wrote "...you should maybe talk to the victims and potential victims of mass shootings and see if it "suits their narrative" as well?", and there was zero evidence of a moral stance in your post. Your response to my statement that being a victim doesn't offer any new expertise, which is an accurate point, doesn't make any sense.

Your attempt to change the narrative is cancelled!
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Jun 17, 2016 17:02:30   #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
There were 16 other candidates on the GOP slate before. One of them? If the GOP picks somebody, they will have the support, financial support of the Party. That should be helpful. Are you saying NOBODY from the GOP can beat him?


I am.

It's over. The crying of the establishment GOP is over their loss of power going forward as the v**ers FINALLY let them know they want real change, not new deck chairs.
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Jun 17, 2016 17:00:25   #
Keenan wrote:
96 Minutes
http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/96-minutes/

"ON AUGUST 1, 1966, CHARLES WHITMAN CLIMBED TO THE TOP OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS TOWER AND STARTED FIRING—AND THE REST, LITERALLY, IS HISTORY. HERE’S WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT FATEFUL DAY, IN THE WORDS OF MORE THAN THREE DOZEN PEOPLE WHO GOT SHOT, FIRED BACK, LOST LOVED ONES, SAVED LIVES BY RISKING THEIR OWN, AND OTHERWISE WITNESSED THE NATION’S FIRST MASS MURDER IN A PUBLIC PLACE."

Here is the Remington 700 hunting rifle he used:
http://www.ballistics101.com/images/rifle/remington700.jpg


Wow. 96 minutes. He was only able to shoot 3 dozen and k**l 1 dozen in 96 minutes???.

How many people could he have shot if he had something more like this?:


b 96 Minutes /b br http://www.texasmonthly.com/a... (show quote)



I'm guessing many less given the difference in accuracy of the two weapons over the range of the victims.
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Jun 17, 2016 16:59:23   #
Keenan wrote:
"My narrative"?

Yea, I guess my concern for how many potential victims there could have been based on the weaponry used is just irrelevant useless diversion, isn't it, Robert?

Maybe if you think it is just trying to "suit my narrative", you should maybe talk to the victims and potential victims of mass shootings and see if it "suits their narrative" as well?



Being the victim, or survivor, of a tragedy does not make one an expert. It DOES, however, offer practical I sight. So, someone getting shot, and living, can talk of the slow motion, the pain, getting away, the recuperation, etc., but they have gained zero new expertise on guns themselves.
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Jun 17, 2016 16:57:18   #
Keenan wrote:
96 Minutes
http://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/96-minutes/

"ON AUGUST 1, 1966, CHARLES WHITMAN CLIMBED TO THE TOP OF THE UNIVERSITY OF TEXAS TOWER AND STARTED FIRING—AND THE REST, LITERALLY, IS HISTORY. HERE’S WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT FATEFUL DAY, IN THE WORDS OF MORE THAN THREE DOZEN PEOPLE WHO GOT SHOT, FIRED BACK, LOST LOVED ONES, SAVED LIVES BY RISKING THEIR OWN, AND OTHERWISE WITNESSED THE NATION’S FIRST MASS MURDER IN A PUBLIC PLACE."

Here is the Remington 700 hunting rifle he used:
http://www.ballistics101.com/images/rifle/remington700.jpg


Probably many less given the lower accuracy.


Wow. 96 minutes. He was only able to shoot 3 dozen and k**l 1 dozen in 96 minutes???.

How many people could he have shot if he had something more like this?:


b 96 Minutes /b br http://www.texasmonthly.com/a... (show quote)
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Jun 17, 2016 16:55:57   #
chrisscholbe wrote:
If I understand this correctly.....the Bible says that God says to k**l everyone that worships a "false" god.

Don't most religions believe that their god is the one true God?

So Christians should actively K**L Muslims...because they worship a "false" god?

What about Buddhists?



From the Ntional Catholic Reporter:

"This week, I interviewed a Jewish rabbi, a Muslim imam and scholar, and a Methodist minister about this question: "Do Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God?" All three said, "yes … basically they do." (Not all representatives of these three traditions would agree, of course, but these three -- all veterans of the interfaith movement -- said yes right away.) Now, they recognized some complications, like the Christian belief in the Trinity and that Jesus is called the "Son of God," but they still came away affirming that God is basically one and the same for all three traditions."

This was also my understanding........false gods in the bible refers to something much different (examples? Gold/money, a god of Thunder, zeus, etc.)
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Jun 17, 2016 15:10:20   #
chrisscholbe wrote:
Really..... I didn't know that the Columbine shooter had v**ed for Obama.



As was reported at the time he was a registered Dem.----- I mean the Denver threat shooter, not columbine
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Jun 17, 2016 11:30:01   #
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
"10's of millions..." out of 330 million is not quite enough to get your position enforced if a SuperMajority is needed. I guess that makes you a Minority. Welcome to the club compadre. lol



Kinda a naive statement......how many b****s do you think are in the U.S.? How many LBGTs?

10s of millions can have a loud voice if they're unified.
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Jun 17, 2016 11:26:06   #
dljen wrote:
Thanks, I think I know more about guns than I ever wanted to.




It's kinda odd how crazed we all are arguing guns as a means of death. If you talk with experts in hand-to-hand combat, small arms expertise, martial arts, etc., they pretty much across the board support the following statement:

All things being close to equal, at 20 feet a blade expert has a slight advantage over a gun. Within 10 feet, it isn't even a contest.......blade wins.

As for all of our mass shootings, whether they be by nuts or Islamist terrorists, or other...........for those who were not in OK City, I can assure you that I like my chances against any gun a lot more than I like them against a powerful bomb pulled up to the front of the building I'm in.

It's simple......I think true assault weapons are illegal. Hand guns require a license. Shotguns and rifles are somewhere in between. Enforce these freaking laws, forget political correctness and move against the gangs (folks, if you lived here in Chiraq you would just s**t!), and almost all the rest will fall into place.

Anyone screaming for more laws are just parrots repeating the political agenda of elected i***ts.
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Jun 17, 2016 11:17:00   #
Croce wrote:
As far as broad practice goes, I agree, you are correct, but read Dueteronomy 13, and 17. It commands the k*****g of non believers. Perhaps you would like to remove those pages from your holy tome.



Here's the difference.......Christians aren't putting it into institutional practice in the 21st century.
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