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Sep 20, 2012 11:13:32   #
Drigby1 wrote:
I don't think he was referring to retirees or veterans as free loaders. Thank you for serving. I have a friend who is not yet receiving his due aid for problems that came from serving in Iraq. Romney was talking about those who never have done or never will do anything, the third and fourth generation welfare recipients. The grandparents trained the parents who trained the kids who trained their kids.
I cashier and am a meat cutter. I know that a lot of those on welfare do NOT want to be on it. They have given up for now looking for a job. Their attitude portrays embarrassment. Romney is not talking about them either. Remember his first tour will be the jobs tour instead of the apology tour. We in Utah saw him in person work magic in getting the 2002 Olympics turned around. They almost didn't happen. He can do it again. Thanks again soldier for serving. I know Mitt was not talking about you and all the other fine veterans out there.
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He wants no one to see what he made from Bain, when he claimed he didn't work there , thats why no tax returns going back.
Here are his statements : You can't make this stuff up !

. "Corporations are people, my friend… of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings, my friend." —Mitt Romney to a heckler at the Iowa State Fair who suggested that taxes should be raised on corporations as part of balancing the budget (August 2011)

2. "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me." –Mitt Romney, using an unfortunate choice of words while advocating for consumer choice in health insurance plans (January 2012)

3. "I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there." —Mitt Romney (January 2012)

4. "There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. ... My job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives." -Mitt Romney, in leaked comments from a fundraiser in May 2012

5. "It's hard to know just how well [the 2012 London Olympics] will turn out. There are a few things that were disconcerting. The stories about the private security firm not having enough people, the supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials, that obviously is not something which is encouraging." –Mitt Romney, insulting Britain on the eve of the Olympics by suggesting the country is not ready, NBC News interview, July 25, 2012

6. "He [Obama] says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people." —Mitt Romney at a campaign event in Council Bluffs, Iowa, June 8, 2012

7. "I'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry's come back." –Mitt Romney, –Mitt Romney, on the American auto industry, despite having written a New York Times op-ed in 2008 titled "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt," in which he said if GM, Ford and Chrysler got a government bailout "you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye"

8. "No one's ever asked to see my birth certificate. They know that this is the place that we were born and raised." —Mitt Romney, speaking about his Michigan roots during a rally in Commerce, Michigan, Aug. 24, 2012

9. "I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed." —Mitt Romney, speaking in 2011 to unemployed people in Florida. Romney's net worth is over $200 million.

10. "I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love." –Mitt Romney (January 2012)

Bonus Quotes:

"My dad, as you probably know, was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico... and had he been born of, uh, Mexican parents, I'd have a better shot at winning this. But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico. He lived there for a number of years. I mean, I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino." -Mitt Romney, in leaked comments from a Florida fundraiser, May 17 2012

"We have a potentially volatile situation but we sort of live with it, and we kick the ball down the field and hope that ultimately, somehow, something will happen and resolve it." –Mitt Romney, talking about his plan for the Middle East in leaked comments from a Florida fundraiser, May 17 2012

"We use Ann sparingly right now so that people don't get tired of her." –Mitt Romney, referring to his wife while speaking to a room of wealthy donors in Florida, May 17, 2012

"I think the best answer is as little as possible." –Mitt Romney, when asked what he wears to bed at night, interview with ABC's "LIVE! with Kelly and Michael," Sept. 14, 2012

"The embassy in Cairo put out a statement after their grounds had been breached. ... An apology for America’s values is never the right course. ... The statement that came from the administration was — was a statement which is akin to apology and I think was a — a severe miscalculation." –Mitt Romney, attempting to politicize the killings of American diplomats in Libya by falsely accusing President Obama of apologizing for America and getting the facts of the situation backwards (Sept. 12, 2012)

"Is $100,000 middle income?" -George Stephanopoulos
"No, middle income is $200,000 to $250,000 and less." -Mitt Romney, ABC's "Good Morning America," Sept. 14, 2012

"When you give a speech you don't go through a laundry list, you talk about the things that you think are important." –Mitt Romney, when asked about failing to mention the troops in his nomination speech at the Republican National Convention, Fox News interview (Sept. 7, 2012)

"Join me in welcoming the next president of the United States, Paul Ryan." –Mitt Romney, committing a gaffe while introducing his running mate, Norfolk, Va., Aug. 11, 2012

"[My wife] drives a couple of Cadillacs." –Mitt Romney, campaigning for president in Michigan (February 2012)

"I'll tell you what, ten-thousand bucks? $10,000 bet?" –Mitt Romney, attempting to make a wager with Rick Perry during a Republican presidential debate to settle a disagreement about health care (December 2011)

"PETA is not happy that my dog likes fresh air." —Mitt Romney in 2007, responding to criticism from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals following revelations that he had once put the family dog in a carrier and strapped it to the roof of his car during a 12-hour road trip

"I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners." —Mitt Romney, after being asked whether he follows NASCAR racing (February 2012)

"There were a couple of times I wondered whether I was going to get a pink slip" –Mitt Romney, attempting to identify with the problems of average folk (January 2012)

"I'm not sure about these cookies. They don't look like you made them. No, no. They came from the local 7/11 bakery, or whatever." —Mitt Romney, visiting a local bakery while campaigning in Pittsburgh, PA, April 17, 2012 (The owner of the baker later told MSNBC he was offended by Romney's remarks.)

"I like those fancy raincoats you bought. Really sprung for the big bucks." —Mitt Romney to a group of NASCAR fans wearing plastic ponchos at the Daytona 500 (February 2012)

"We have a president, who I think is is a nice guy, but he spent too much time at Harvard, perhaps." —Mitt Romney, who has two Harvard degrees (April 5, 2012)

"I love this state. The trees are the right height." —Mitt Romney, campaigning in Michigan (February 2012)

"I'm running for office for Pete's sake, we can't have illegals" –Mitt Romney, recalling his reaction when he learned that there were illegal aliens working the ground on his property, employed by a firm that he subsequently fired (October 2011)

"I get speaker's fees from time to time, but not very much." —Mitt Romney, who earned $374,000 in speaking fees in one year according to according to his personal financial disclosure (January 2012)

"It's not worth moving heaven and earth, spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person." —Mitt Romney, speaking in 2007 about killing Osama bin Laden

"Who let the dogs out? Who, who." –Mitt Romney, during an awkward photo op with a group of African Americans kids at a Martin Luther King Day parade (January 2008)

"I'm Wolf Blitzer and yes, that's my real name." —CNN's Wolf Blitzer at the beginning of a November 2011 Republican presidential debate
"I'm Mitt Romney—and yes Wolf, that's also my first name." —Mitt Romney, getting his own name wrong (his first name is "Willard," and his middle name is "Mitt")

"I'm not familiar precisely with what I said, but I'll stand by what I said, whatever it was." —Mitt Romney (May 17, 2012)
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Sep 19, 2012 17:15:23   #
ted45 wrote:
jvance wrote:
Kit Lens wrote:
I'd suggest you all read this article. As Gov. Romney disparages the 47% you should probably know that you might be one of them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/18/opinion/brooks-thurston-howell-romney.html



-First President to preside over a cut to the credit-rating of the United States
-First President to violate the War Powers Act.
-First President to be held in contempt of court for illegally obstructing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.
-First President to defy a Federal Judge’s court order to cease implementing the Health Care Reform Law.
-First President to require all Americans to purchase a product from a third party.
-First President to spend a trillion dollars on ‘shovel-ready’ jobs when there was no such thing as ‘shovel-ready’ jobs.
-First President to abrogate bankruptcy law to turn over control of companies to his union supporters.
-First President to by-pass Congress and implement the Dream Act through executive fiat.
-First President to order a secret amnesty program that stopped the deportation of illegal immigrants across the U.S. , including those with criminal convictions.
-First President to demand a company hand-over $20 billion to one of his political appointees.
-First President to terminate America’s ability to put a man in space.
-First President to have a law signed by an auto-pen without being present.
-First President to arbitrarily declare an existing laws unconstitutional and refuse to enforce them.
-First President to threaten insurance companies if they publicly spoke-out on the reasons for their rate increases.
-First President to tell a major manufacturing company in which state it is allowed to locate a factory.
-First President to file lawsuits against the states he swore an oath to protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN).
-First President to withdraw an existing coal permit that had been properly issued years ago.
-First President to fire an inspector general of Ameri-Corps for catching one of his friends in a corruption case.
-First President to appoint 45 czars to replace elected officials in his office.
-First President to golf 73 separate times in his first two and a half years in office, 100 to date.
-First President to hide his medical, educational, and travel records.
-First President to win a Nobel Peace Prize for doing NOTHING to earn it.
-First President to go on multiple global apology tours’.
-First President to go on 17 lavish vacations, including date nights and Wednesday evening White House parties for his friends paid for by the taxpayer.
-First President to have 22 personal servants (taxpayer funded) for his wife.
-First President to keep a dog trainer on retainer for $102,000 a year at taxpayer expense.
If you want this crap to go on by all means vote for Obozo. !!! Just quit with the Romney Gotcha BS OK ?
If you are perfect I understand.
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You are going to have a visit in the dead of night from a bunch of guys wearing Donkey customs and it won't be pretty.

How dare you point out the obvious? 8-)
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You must write cartoons, do you truly believe yourself ? So sad.
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Sep 19, 2012 17:09:31   #
That's catching them in action. Nice
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Sep 19, 2012 17:08:03   #
pitching right to me
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Sep 19, 2012 17:07:21   #
nice set.
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Sep 19, 2012 17:06:21   #
Nice action shots, you have their intensity in the faces.

I shoot football and LAX , but I try my best not to show clear faces , some parents get upset putting the kids on the net.

It's a shame, because that's what shows the game, case in point, your pics.
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Sep 19, 2012 17:02:21   #
nice idea , fun stuff
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Sep 19, 2012 16:57:55   #
Nice subjects , I like how still they stayed
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Sep 19, 2012 16:56:19   #
Have to like the falls
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Sep 19, 2012 16:45:48   #
PrairieSeasons wrote:
I'd find the arguments in that article more compelling if they were written by someone a bit less one sided than David Brooks.

Nevertheless, Romney's comments are basically correct and the situation in which we find ourselves was quite predictable.

Alexis de Tocqueville warned us 150 years ago that this time would likely come (that is, a time where a significant portion of the population could get more money from the state by voting for the right guy). He also warned that if and when that happened, it would be the end of our "experiment" in democracy and the beginning of a strangulating tyranny.

Romney is right to remind us of that, and while both candidates for president are flawed, he is by far the more honest in this regard and deserves our vote.
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From the tax center

Who Are the 47%?

According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, 53.6% of Americans pay a portion of their income in federal income taxes, and 46.4% don't. Of those who don't, 61% (28.3% of the population) pay payroll taxes, such as Social Security and Medicare, but have enough deductions and tax credits that their federal income tax liability has shrunk to zero. In other words, 81.9% of the population is gainfully employed and sends some measure of their income to the federal government.

The 47% that don't pay taxes

As for the rest, 10.3% of the population -- 22% of non-income tax payers -- are elderly and are likely unemployed, i.e., retired. A further 6.9% are non-elderly but have incomes below $20,000, which in most cases puts them below the poverty line.

For that matter, it's not as if the rest of the 47% -- or, actually, 46% -- are doing especially well. Nearly 90% of the group consists of households making less than $50,000 per year, and 80% make less than $30,000. The remainder is mostly composed of higher-income households that benefit from significant tax credits for children and education.

This isn't to say that everyone who doesn't pay taxes is struggling. About 162,000 people among the top 10% of earners have found ways to avoid paying any federal income tax. This includes approximately 3,000 people in the top 0.1%, a group that makes $2,178,886 per year or more. A large part of their low tax rate, The New York Times' Bruce Bartlett suggested, lies in the fact that many -- like Romney -- derive most of their income from capital gains, which are only taxed at 15%. To further cut their liability, many are able to offset their taxes because of losses that they took in previous years. Alternately, some invest in tax-free municipal bonds or take advantage of a slew of other tax loopholes.

Why Do the 47% Get Such a Great Deal?

Tax Policy CenterRegardless of whether or not all the accusations leveled at the 47% are true, it seems strange that so many households get such a big break on their federal income taxes that what they owe to Washington falls to zero. It's worth noting, though, that even this "untaxed" segment of the country isn't getting a free ride.

To begin with, when it comes to state taxes, every state in the union puts a larger burden on the poor than on the rich. Even states that don't charge income tax, like Washington, for example, place a large burden on their poor citizens, as they tend to make up for the lack of income taxes with steep sales and excise taxes -- regressive levies that fall especially hard on the poor.

Ultimately, the combination of state and federal taxes evens out: When Citizens for Tax Justice, a nonprofit advocacy group, analyzed the total tax burden on each income level in the country, they discovered that the percentage of total wages that each group gets is almost equal to the percentage of total tax revenue that they contribute. In other words, the wealthiest Americans pay most of the country's taxes, but also get most of its income.

wealthy percentage of taxes

This shared burden is particularly important when one considers how the 47% managed to avoid their taxes in the first place. The answer is, to a large extent, Republican tax cuts under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush's presidency.

As Ezra Klein explains in The Washington Post, many tax cuts for the poor were enacted to make tax cuts for the rich "more politically palatable." Certainly, the tax breaks passed into law in Reagan's second term and Bush's tenure were accompanied by big jumps in the number of households that were exempted from paying taxes. In Reagan's last few years in office, the percentage of households not paying taxes jumped by more than 10%. Under Bush, it increased by more than 25%. Under the circumstances, it's ironic that the Republican candidate for president is now so quick to demonize a group that his predecessors so massively expanded.





Where Do the 47% Live?

The fact that Romney's party largely created the 47% isn't the only irony in his attacks. Perhaps more striking is the fact that an outsized percentage of the 47% live in "red states." Of the 10 states with the highest percentage of income tax nonpayers, only one -- New Mexico -- is leaning toward Obama right now. Meanwhile, of the 10 states with the lowest percentage of income tax nonpayers, only two -- North Dakota and Wyoming -- skew right.

And therein lies perhaps the strangest aspect of Romney's complaint. Not only does he not seem to understand the group that he's discussing or the way that it was created, but his final statement, that "these are people who pay no income tax ... My job is not to worry about those people," directly contradicts the electoral map. The choir that he's preaching to actually contains a large percentage of the very people that he just wrote o
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Sep 19, 2012 16:31:32   #
LARRYR. wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Now that this bombshell has hit the media, I'm curious as to how many more interviews Romney will be doing with mainstream media. My guess is he'll only be dealing with Fox News from here on out.

Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Gretchen Carlson and crew are about to become Mitt's new best friends. Not that they aren't already but this will only solidify the friendship.

On a more nonpartisan note, are there any Republicans on this forum who can, based on what the article says, defend anything about Mitt Romney's tenure at Bain?
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If I were President , I would sign an EXECUTIVE ORDER,
like someone I know did, and prevent him from telling
the truth( not knowing all the facts) in order to cover
his rear.( like the other person did, remember)
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Romney was the only shareholder { I find that strange in a partnership ] Also, all early investments from south or central america. I guess Reagans Contras had to put their cocaine and gun running money someplace. [ Only my conjecture ] But how did Romney find them.

In the face of skepticism from potential investors, Romney and his partners spent a year raising the $37 million in funds needed to start the new operation. Early investors also included members of elite Salvadoran families who fled the country's civil war. They and other wealthy Latin Americans invested $9 million primarily through offshore companies registered in Panama.

Gee, offshore companies, sounds redundant. Info came from wikipedia.
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Sep 18, 2012 14:55:23   #
RIGHT OFF MY CHAIR !!!!!!
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Sep 18, 2012 14:53:31   #
Joyfullee wrote:
If the US embassy in Libya is in Tripoli, then why are "they" saying the attack was at the "embassy" in Benghazi?


This is from wikipedia

On December 2, 1979, a mob attacked and burned the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli. On December 29, the U.S. Department of State designated Libya as a state sponsor of terrorism. The Chargé d’Affaires was recalled on February 8, 1980 and the embassy was closed May 2, 1980.[4][3][5] However, diplomatic relations were not formally severed.[2] Diplomatic relations were not resumed until 2006.

The U.S. Embassy in Tripoli was closed and all diplomatic personnel were evacuated on February 25, 2011, due to the Libyan civil war.[6][7][8][9] The embassy of Hungary in Tripoli acted as the protecting power for U.S. interests from the closure of the embassy until its reopening on September 22, 2011. [10] [11]

So, evidently , when they reopened , it was in Benghazi .

That's my presumption.
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Sep 18, 2012 00:59:06   #
Lazy Old Coot wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
sinatraman wrote:
actually no you don't have to test them. the blueprint is simple. the tough part is getting the weapons grade uranium or plutonium depending on what you are building. I remember during the 80's a high school kid built a model h-bomb and wrote a paper on it with a novel triggering device, the air force swept in confiscated the model and all copies of his term paper and gave them the highest top secret classification. needless to say kid got an A as well as interest from several engineering schools like MIT.
As far as I know, Pakistan never tested nor north Korea yet both are acknowledged members of the we got nukes club. The Iranians are crazy the soviets were not. Even when they were the Persian empire they were certifiable. Historians estimate the Persian losses at Thermapolye (home of the spartan 300 and 1000 other Greek city state warriors) from as low as 20,000 to as high as 100,000 killed.
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Main article: List of nuclear weapons tests
Over 2,000 nuclear explosions have been conducted, in over a dozen different sites around the world. Red Russia/Soviet Union, blue France, light blue United States, violet Britain, black Israel, orange China, yellow India, brown Pakistan, green North Korea and light green (territories exposed to nuclear bombs)
"Baker Shot", part of Operation Crossroads, a nuclear test by the United States at Bikini Atoll in 1946

The nuclear powers have conducted more than 2,000 nuclear test explosions (numbers are approximated, as some test results have been disputed):

United States United States: 1,054 tests by official count (involving at least 1,151 devices, 331 atmospheric tests), most at Nevada Test Site and the Pacific Proving Grounds in the Marshall Islands, with 10 other tests taking place at various locations in the United States, including Amchitka Alaska, Colorado, Mississippi, and New Mexico (see Nuclear weapons and the United States for details).[6]
Soviet Union Soviet Union: 715 tests (involving 969 devices) by official count,[7] most at Semipalatinsk Test Site and Novaya Zemlya, and a few more at various sites in Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, and Ukraine.
France France: 210 tests by official count (50 atmospheric, 160 underground[8]), four atomic atmospheric tests at C.E.S.M. near Reggane, 13 atomic underground tests at C.E.M.O. near In Ekker in the then-French Algerian Sahara, and nuclear atmospheric tests at Fangataufa and nuclear undersea tests Moruroa in French Polynesia. Additional atomic and chemical warfare tests took place in the secret base B2-Namous, near Ben Wenif, other tests involving rockets and missiles at C.I.E.E.S, near Hammaguir, both in the Sahara.
United Kingdom United Kingdom: 45 tests (21 in Australian territory, including nine in mainland South Australia at Maralinga and Emu Field, some at Christmas Island in the Pacific Ocean, plus many others in the United States as part of joint test series)[9]
China China: 45 tests (23 atmospheric and 22 underground, at Lop Nur Nuclear Weapons Test Base, in Malan, Xinjiang)[10][11]
India India: Six underground tests (including the first one in 1974), at Pokhran[citation needed].
Pakistan Pakistan: Six underground tests, at Ras Koh Hills, Chagai District and Kharan Desert, Kharan District in Balochistan Province[citation needed].
North Korea North Korea: two tests at Hwadae-ri[citation needed].

Additionally, there may have been at least three alleged but unacknowledged nuclear explosions (see list of alleged nuclear tests). Of these, the only one taken seriously as a possible nuclear test is the Vela Incident, a possible detection of a nuclear explosion in the Indian Ocean in 1979.

From the first nuclear test in 1945 until tests by Pakistan in 1998, there was never a period of more than 22 months with no nuclear testing. June 1998 to October 2006 was the longest period since 1945 with no acknowledged nuclear tests.
Graph of nuclear testing
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Lancer, where did you find that information. I'm not disputing the info. I'd just like to know the source.
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Wikipedia
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Lancer W/A Canon wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Lancer W/A Canon wrote:

Once again


What it didn’t say was that the subsidiaries, Vestas Nacelles, Vestas Blades, and Vestas Towers, are all based in Colorado. The tax credits, under a program called 48C, were created as part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, aka the stimulus.The Vesta American operation got the tax credits in exchange for building manufacturing plants that would hire American workers. While Vesta recently announced layoffs, work continues at the plants.


Are those not the same firms that also have assembly plants in Mexico? I was not even talking about them, I was talking about the larges sums spent in Both Australia and China, now you remind us of the US firms who also have production in Mexico, well if I am not mistaken, the Mexican plants are doing better than the American plants. Like I said, what happened to Roads and Bridges, why did this president feel it prudent to spend Jobs money overseas in Australia, China, and Mexico... could he not have made better use of those funds by directly putting Americans to work?

By any measure the program was a failure, even though there still may be some jobs lingering around, and even though some of those investments are still on going concerns, it was a lot of money and it produced dismal results... That is all I am saying, if you can put up some sources that would point to the program as being successful rather than a total failure then I would be glad to read them.
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Okay blurryeyed , here is the entire deal , country by country,
it is a long list, but you keep adding new countries when you have been shown the lite on the previous ones.
Since I found the list, you can add up the total of " stimulus money " you claimed went overseas. Not tax credits etc.." STIMULUS MONEY ",

w let’s look at the examples cited, by country, on the RNC Web site. Forgive us, this is long — but so is the RNC Web site. We will deal with each country in the order it was listed.

Switzerland: This is a silly example concerning the fact that an administration official held stock in a Swiss manufacturer that stood to benefit from building a more efficient electrical grid. The article cited showed she had recused herself on any decision that involved the company.

China: Without evidence, the RNC tries to link the two facts — that Cree Inc. in 2010 received a $39 million tax credit to expand a factory in North Carolina and that it opened a factory in China later the same year. One has nothing to do with the other. The deal to buy the Chinese factory was reached in 2009, before any tax credit was received. Company officials made it clear that the Chinese factory was aimed at the Chinese market.

The other China examples have little to do with Obama, but reflect business decisions made by independent companies about their suppliers.

Finland: This concerns a loan guarantee to Fisker Automotive, which The Washington Post has identified as troubled. But the company disputes the RNC’s claim that $500 billion in U.S. money (via two loans) is being spent to produce cars overseas. Instead, the company says the money has been spent on design and engineering activities in the United States, and the expenditures have been reviewed by PricewaterhouseCoopers. Ultimately, the company plans to build a lower-priced version of its car in Delaware, using a $359 million loan, but less than $25 million that has been disbursed so far.

Denmark: The RNC offers three examples, none of which support its claims. One concerns a company called Vestas that received a tax credit but is now laying people off, mostly overseas; the article cited by the RNC makes clear that U.S. workers may lose their jobs if the tax credit expires at the end of the year. But there is bipartisan support to renew the credit. Another example concerned a Danish company’s plans to build a pilot plant in Iowa, and a third involved a company that used wind turbines assembled in Denmark because U.S. manufacturers could not meet its requirements.

South Korea: The RNC cites complaints from union workers that foreign workers have been involved in the building of plants — supported by stimulus funds — in Michigan to make electric vehicle batteries.

One of the companies, Dow Kokam, said it “purchased highly sophisticated, proprietary manufacturing equipment from Korean vendors. An element of the purchase agreement is for the vendors, who developed the equipment, to provide personnel with the unique experience and expertise to install and test it.” But, the company said, “more than 90 percent of the construction work on the Dow Kokam Midland Battery Park has been done by Michigan residents. Additionally, we have hired 95 full-time employees; approximately one-third of the 320 personnel the facility expects to employ at full capacity.”

The other company, LG Chem Ltd., made a similar comment to the Wall Street Journal.

Australia: This concerns a $162,000 (!) grant to the Melanoma Institute of Australia to supply tumor samples to the National Cancer Center. The amount involved is so puny as to be laughable, but Australia certainly looks big on the RNC’s map.

Mexico: For this claim, the RNC without irony cites a FactCheck.org report debunking a claim that stimulus money is building a plant in Mexico — “this strings together two largely unrelated facts to create a misleading impression” — because the article quotes a spokeswoman saying that “some of the solar panels” being installed in California will come from Mexico. The RNC must have missed the rest of her statement:

The overwhelming majority of solar panels will come from SunPower’s nearby plant in Milpitas, Calif. Moreover, the solar facility is being built in California, employing some 350 American construction workers for several years.

The other example cites a 92-word newspaper article to make the claim that another company used a tax credit to ship jobs to Mexico, but there is no apparent connection.

Dominican Republic: The state of Ohio received an $11 million stimulus grant to provide rebates to people who buy energy efficient appliances for their homes. Then, it gave the contract to the lowest bidder, but failed to check whether the jobs would be in the United States. The subcontractor hired workers in El Salvador and the Dominican Republic, but we fail to see why this is Obama’s fault — especially since the Democratic governor of Ohio at the time said the state needed to do a better job of vetting contracts.

New Zealand: Here, again, the connection to Obama is virtually nonexistent. The City of Santa Clarita awarded a contract using stimulus money to a New Zealand company because it submitted a lower bid that met the requirement to buy American-made parts. The city said the money would still go to “local employees and is spent at local businesses.”

Thailand: General Motors expanded facilities in Thailand. So what? It’s a global company. This did not involve stimulus funds at all.

Vietnam: This makes the RNC’s list because General Electric, an international company, opened a factory in Haiphong, and Chief Executive Jeffrey Immelt heads Obama’s Jobs Council. But the connection is highly tenuous.

Italy: Italian wind turbine companies did well in winning cash grants through the stimulus, but one company failed to follow through in ambitious hiring plans in Indiana.

Russia: This is an interesting story of $118 million in stimulus funding going to a U.S. company to produce cutting-edge battery technology. The company later was purchased by a Russian businessman. We’re not sure if the RNC is saying that foreign companies should never make investments in the United States, but Russia certainly dominates the map on the Web site.

Germany: German companies — especially their American subsidiaries — won wind turbine contracts. One company, Nordex, had no U.S. manufacturing but built a $100 million facility in Arkansas that would create 700 full-time jobs by 2014. That sounds like insourcing, not outsourcing.

Luxembourg: Who knew that this tiny country was such an economic threat? This is yet another U.S. subsidiary (based in Chicago) getting a stimulus grant.

El Salvador: This is a repeat of the Dominican Republic tale.

Great Britain: Two examples here. One concerns a company that will build electric battery-powered commercial trucks in the United States, but the first batch will come from England. The other is about another U.S. company, later bought by British investors, receiving funds.

India: Another winner in the wind turbine business.

Spain: Spanish companies were also big winners in the turbine business, but have recently cut back on employees.

Indonesia: The Environmental Protection Agency is spending $1.5 million over five years to discourage air pollution in smoggy Jakarta. Another relatively minor payment for a country that looks big on the map.

Japan: Yet again wind turbines — and again another $100 million facility was built in Arkansas, this time by Mitsubishi.

France: A French company got funds for a wind project in Indiana.

“It is a factual statement that stimulus money went overseas and did support jobs overseas, which is the overall point of the Web site,” said Joe Pounder, the RNC’s research director and deputy communications director.

Add the total amount, and it's not the billions RNC claimed, and answer truly from your heart, if they were worthy investments to help america. I believe you are honorable
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