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Apr 21, 2024 15:07:50   #
gwilliams6 wrote:
The new reality is that the latest TCs, internally and external are excellent optical quality, and top wildlife and sports pro photographers around the world use them all the time, with excellent results.

Just go to any Wildlife and Sports shooters groups and forums and see wonderfully sharp and optically excellent shots made with the latest TCs. It is just fake news that TCs are no good nowadays. The latest TCs and best long lenses are designed to work great together, and they do if you know how and when to use them.

Here top wildlife pro Mark Smith uses both Sony 1.4X TC and Sony 2X TC with the latest Sony 300mm f2.8 GM lens:

Sony 420MM F4? What???? 300mm 2.8 + 1.4 Tele - Beautiful Combo for bird and wildlife photography.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4WA2OglKLo&t=90s

Sony 300mm 2.8 + 2x Tele - Beautiful Combo for bird and wildlife photography.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBNF3xu5w5w&t=436s

Here my 24mp Sony A9, Sony 200-600mm lens and 1.4X TC at 840mm, as kids get pulled by a fast speedboat on Brookings Lake, Manistee National Forest, Michigan, USA. This is a 50% crop in here.

Click on download to see better image quality, even with UHH photo compression here. No noise reduction has been done in post on this image, but I could clean it up a bit with my Topaz Denoise AI if I choose to.

Cheers and best to you.
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I agree with you, but I was expecting to hear from a lot of naysayers and so far I'm not disappointed. I think converters are a relatively inexpensive way to get shots that would otherwise be impossible to take. And, like you I generally don't worry about noise reduction. Thanks also for posting the example. That was what I was looking for to create discussion.
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Apr 21, 2024 15:05:12   #
imagemeister wrote:
Hand holding @ 1120mm and cropping is not the receipe for optimum sharpness ....


Nobody said it was. The question is should one get the photo even without optimum sharpness, or just not take the photo at all. Each of us has to make that choice. So, if you would not hand hold and would not crop, and would not use a 2x converter, how would you go about getting the photo?
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Apr 21, 2024 12:36:34   #
photoman43 wrote:
I will add some to my earlier post above. Back wen I was shooting with slide film, I often used a Nikon 500mm f4 P lens with both the Nikon TC 14B (1.4x tc) and the TC 301 (2xtc) attached to my film camera. Resulting images were useable and acceptable if the whole rig was adequately supported (usually with two supports) and the shutter was triggered with a cable release. Focusing was done manually. Support and technique was critical.

Now that I am shooting digitally, support and technique is still important for good IQ images both with and without tcs and with and without cropping. My personal preference would be to add a tc before cropping in post. However, if good support or technique is not possible, then I would likely not add the tc and just crop.
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Interesting comments. These are shot with no support hand held. That could be an issue although they are taken with a fairly high shutterbspeed so it may or may not be a factor.
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Apr 21, 2024 12:33:27   #
MJPerini wrote:
I have to admit these appear sharper than I ever would have expected by stacking TC's.
Usually results suffer significantly.
Now a Nikon 400/2.8 will be an exceptionally sharp lens, and the fact that the 1.4 is built inn means it is perfectly matched to that lens, so it is not surprising that that combo will be sharp.
Adding an additional 2x seems to have worked fairly well. I can't tell about critical sharpness but it looks good.

One thing it proves is that starting with a great lens is really important, followed by optical matching of the converter. There does seem to be a reduction in contrast, but I don't know if that is optical or processing.
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The lack of contrst is probably from shooting raw and not really adjusting contrast as my job is sports photography for a newspaper and they prefer limited contrast. Would have to check on whether that would help or not.
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Apr 21, 2024 12:09:27   #
druthven wrote:
I would like to see images without the extender, cropped to size. These images are not sharp enough for me.


Well, go ahead and try that experiment. I tried to shoot the wren without a converter. That would make it shot with just 400 mm and there is some cropping even with it shot at 1120. So, I don't believe it is possible to crop that mich. I was actually hoping that someone here that is a little compulsive would try exactly that as part of this discussion.
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Apr 21, 2024 12:04:32   #
cahale wrote:
A. Not sharp enough, or too grainy. B. Don't know. My master's in statistics tells me the sample is far too small for a valid result.


The sample was meant to start a conversation as a week or so ago I posted some sports photos taken with a converter and got pushback about never using con erters. Since sometimes that is the only way to get enough reach I decided to start a discussiin. These photos are taken in a wetlans that are roped off so it is impossible to get close. My contentiin as a photojournalost is its better to sacrifice image quality than not get a shot at all. It is obvious that others do not feel the same.
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Apr 21, 2024 12:00:16   #
imagemeister wrote:
Noise is really hurting your examples here .....always a concerning by-product of converter light loss ....


Whether noise is a problem or not is subjective. Get rid of the noise and you probably hurt sharpening. In my job noise is a non issue as newsprint does not show noise. For your use it may be more important to get rid of noise.
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Apr 21, 2024 11:58:22   #
Rongnongno wrote:
Your images are sharp. They look a bit over processed. You might want to post the unprocessed image, so one can see w/o the post-production interference.

I am not sure what the pushback is about, it is not justified.


I putb hem through on 1 no noise and just took the dafault setting. They probably are overprocessed bit you will notice someone has already added extra sharpening.
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Apr 21, 2024 11:53:59   #
billnikon wrote:
First, you posted in the wrong section.
Second, no teleconverter ever produced improves image sharpness.
Third, combining teleconverter's really makes sharpness suffer, as seen in your images.
Forth, I use a 600mm f4 without any converter on a full frame mirrorless camera that I use for my wildlife photography.
Fifth, I never use teleconverter's because of the reasons I have given.
Sixth, Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.


Why do you think its in the wrong section? It was posted here to start a conversatiin about converters. If it was posted in the bird subsection that would not have happened.

As to the rest of your post I'm sure it is at least mostly correct, so the question is not whether or not there is image falloff from using converters the question is when yiu don't have the reach to take the shot which is better converters or extreme cropping. I think converters is a better choice but others do not I was hoping to get a discussion about why people male the different choice and why they think their choice is better.
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Apr 21, 2024 11:48:05   #
tshift wrote:
These are all excellent photos btbg. Please post more when you can, love it. Thanks BE SAFE!!

Tom


Thanks. Sorry about the misleading headline. I ended up moving tje birds to the main photography discussion so people could discuss the merits or lack thereof of using telexetenders and I forgot to change the heading.
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Apr 21, 2024 04:10:29   #
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Apr 21, 2024 04:09:20   #
I decided to post these images because of recent discussions about whether or not people should use 2x extenders. I know these are birds, but putting them in the bird subsection will prevent the converter discussion.
The photos are taken with a Nikon 400f2.8s lens. The built in 1.4 converter is being used and coupled with a 2x converter. The wren also has a 5mm extension tube for closer focus.
So, the question is are these photos sharp enough, or should people not use the converters and attempt to gain the extra reach by cropping. I believe that any loss of image quality from using the converter is more than offset by the additional reach and the ability to come closer to filling the frame, but I thought it would be interesting to see where any discussion would go. Those of you who believe that no one should use teleconverters, go ahead and have your say. The photos will be posted in the first reply.
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Apr 21, 2024 04:03:55   #
Some of the sports from this past week.


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Apr 20, 2024 20:41:03   #
ricardo00 wrote:
I agree 100% that the foot on the Nikon lenses these days are way too small though personally I would prefer that they are Arca-Swiss compatible. But even if they had the Arca-Swiss grooves on their feet, not sure I would use them. I can barely fit 3 fingers on them (and I have small hands). Plus they have the button to rapidly release the lens if the knob is not fully tightened right there and because the foot is so small, one is constantly touching it (in the picture below, my finger is pressed right up against the rapid release button). So a disaster waiting to happen. To me, the foot on a Nikon lens is a bad joke. One could never balance it on a gimbal head. Whoever designed these feet would seem to have never used them. This is the foot that comes with the $3200 Nikon 400mm f/4.5 lens:
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I obviously dont have the same Nikon lens you do. I have big hands and have no problem carrying two of my lenses that way. Whatever foot you took a photo of looks like it really sucks.
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Apr 20, 2024 17:35:01   #
camerapapi wrote:
I have been thinking of buying this application. If anyone here is using it I would like to get some feedback.
I recently bought their Sky Swap and I have been very happy with the results.


I have 2023. Just watched Scott Kelby's review of 2024 last night. The improvements from 2023 seem to be pretty big. I like the program, but I like it as a plug-in for Photoshop. Be aware that there are two versions, On One 24 raw and On one 24 raw Max. The second version costs more, but is designed to run as a series of plug-ins for Photoshop and Lightroom. I will probably purchase 2024 Max to update my plug-ins because of the advancements they have made over the last year. They are using way more AI, which is probably a good thing for people who do not like doing their own post processing. Pick your version based on what other software you are or are not using. It is a pretty comprehensive suite and I'm sure that there are individuals who prefer it to Photoshop and Lightroom. I am not one of those, but feel it is worth the money as a set of plug-ins. Hope that helps some. Sorry that I have not yet purchased 2024 and am still using 2023.
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