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May 5, 2014 19:58:18   #
amehta wrote:
Thanks. Seeing the full image will make it easier to compare cropping and pixel levels without having to deal with the slightly messier math. :-)


here is the uncropped, unedited version.


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May 5, 2014 19:52:05   #
amehta wrote:
Flash may not be allowed with many sports, refs and coaches don't want the player distracted or "blinded". Someone may get away with a P&S flash, but the high powered flashes will get noticed.


Yes, flash is a definite no no. You just kind of have to live with the shadows. there is no way around it.
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May 5, 2014 19:49:16   #
Screamin Scott wrote:
I have that same lens & it will hold it's own to the newer 70-200 F2.8 VRII... It is still being sold so Nikon doesn't think it's inferior... Yeah, it's not AFS, but ,depending on the camera it's mounted too, the difference in focus speed isn't that significant. No, it doesn't have VR, but with sports, vr isn't as effective what with subject movement... Really, it all depends on what the lens will be used to shoot...


Yes, I really love my old 80-200. It is built like a tank, but I often use a mono-pod so the weight isn't really an issue. Even when I don't need the larger aperture of the 2.8, it is just so much sharper than my other lenses.
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May 5, 2014 13:45:14   #
amehta wrote:
Cropping these makes it harder to answer your question. Can you post the originals?

I will when I get home. I hope everyone understands, I am not under the impression that these are some great photos that there is no way can be made better. Just using them as an example and wondering how much would be gained using and old D200 compared to a new D610. In my mind, better detail if cropped further and maybe the biggest thing better high ISO performance. But I thought maybe even with this type of picture a newer camera would make a drastic difference. Or maybe not.
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May 5, 2014 13:37:42   #
Bill Emmett wrote:
Is this a excuse to buy a new camera? Or, do you have a income tax return that is just burning a hole in your pocket?

If you want to find a place to spend your money, just take pilot lessons, get your private pilots license, buy a 20 year old Cessna 142, and you will have every dime you have, spent for you.


Just trying to decide if I am missing anything by not having a new camera. I am starting to think maybe not.
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May 5, 2014 13:36:17   #
Gene51 wrote:
You will gain better dynamic range, and with good lenses, easier cropping while maintaining image quality. This light is pretty harsh, and the shadows are pretty dark under the helmets. Assuming you are using a low ISO, you would have 3-4 more stops of dynamic range, where you could recover more information in the shadows, and hold back the brilliant highlights for a more pleasing image.

As Sharpshooter points out, you won't see much of a difference in sharpness and detail with web images. But if you need to print large, having 2x more pixels will allow you to get better results.
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Yes, the light was harsh. It was an afternoon game and the sun was reflecting very bright off of the aluminum bleachers on the other side of the field. I tried to spot meter at times, but they didn't come out that well either. But thanks, you kind of said what I was thinking. Without printing them out to a very large size, a camera with more MP would not make much of a difference if only viewed on a computer monitor. And, let's face it, that is where I view 95% of the photos I take.
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May 5, 2014 13:31:15   #
Michael66 wrote:
None. Whatever it is you think these shots are missing, lie within yourself, not the camera. Technically, there is really nothing wrong with them.

I would have to ask, what is it that you think is missing? I have never shot Lacrosse, but it has to be much like any sport. You need to time your shots to catch the scoop or flick out at face-off. Or as the ball is passed or caught. Show me a collision. Get me excited about the game with your freeze-frames.

Imagine a baseball game. Catch the action as the ball is headed towards the plate. Will he hit it? Or after the batter hits it; a foul? a single? a home run! Maybe get a shot of the pitcher just as the ball leaves his hand and heads towards the plate.
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I understand what you are saying. I do have shots that capture those type of things, I was more interested in the idea that if these pics were taken with a new camera such as a D610, how much better would these particular pics have been? In other words, would there have been much more detail or dynamic range? Would the colors have been better? I know all of those things are just speculation.
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May 5, 2014 13:26:39   #
sarge69 wrote:
You're kidding right ?

Sarge69

No Sarge. What makes you think that I am kidding?
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May 4, 2014 17:22:55   #
A few weeks back, I was looking for some advice on a new Nikon. I was trying to decide between a 7100,610 or 800. I decided on a 610 when the rumor of the 9300 (the long awaited D400) came out. So here I am waiting again. Just out of curiosity, how much better do you think these photos would have been using a 610. Let's assume everything else was equal (lighting, distance, technique etc.) These were shot with my D200. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying these are great pictures or anything, just typical of what I normally shoot. I used my Nikon 80-200 2.8 and the pics are cropped, but I would not say heavily. So, how much would I have gained using a new D610?


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Apr 8, 2014 09:23:47   #
MCatthe18 wrote:
Dexter, I use a D600 and just upgraded from D7000 to D7100. Shoot lots of high school sports for local paper and post to website. The 7100 is considerably better in low light than the 7000 and AF is slightly better. I use the D600 in combo with a 70-200 for football, soccer, and baseball. Always use in crop mode and shoot both JPEG and RAW. Buffering is rarely a problem with a fast SD CARD. I use both cameras for basketball with a 24-70 on the D7100 to cover action in front court and D600 with 70-200 for back court action. There is a significant difference in low light performance on the D600 with the larger sensor. With that said the D7100 holds up very well all the way to ISO 6400.

I crop in PP and the size of the RAW files gives you large enough JPEGs once converted to get good print results. I have printed to 16x20 with very nice results. Also use a TCE 2.0 teleconverter with the D600 for soccer, football and baseball as long as light will allow. I guess if the extra money is not an issue and I could only have one of the cameras, I would go with the 610. I have a friend who just upgraded from the D200 to D610 and really likes it now that he is accustomed to the menu differences.
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"I guess if the extra money is not an issue and I could only have one of the cameras, I would go with the 610."

Thanks, that is the advice I needed. Sounds like the 610 is worth the extra money. Do you find the focus on the 610 and the 7100 are comparable? that was the other thing that I worried about with the 610. Not quite as good focusing system as the 7100
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Apr 4, 2014 13:54:38   #
DickC wrote:
Backup hell, it's my main camera and I've sold many, many pictures and portraits, etc. with it and no one has complained! I'm not a 'gear guy', results are what counts!! :D


I agree. It has been a great camera. If only it did better at higher ISO's. Need to stop action in low light. The 200 struggles with that.
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Apr 4, 2014 13:45:14   #
HowardPepper wrote:
I don't know Dexter56, looks like you did a pretty good job with that D200 on these photos!


Thanks for the kind words. I find myself missing a lot of good shots because I cannot anticipate the action like I can with sports that I am more familiar with. That will come with practice I hope.
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Apr 4, 2014 10:38:28   #
wizard wrote:
Last month I had one of my D200 photos printed at 16" x 20" (on metal) and it is outstanding. The D200 is a fine machine and still relevant today!


is that still your main body?
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Apr 3, 2014 21:15:41   #
Georgia Peddler wrote:
I still have my D200 of many years as well as an 800. I still like the heft and feel of the 200. It has been a great machine.


Do you ever still break out the D200? Are the pictures with the 800 dramatically different than what you got with the 200?
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Apr 3, 2014 20:21:56   #
amehta wrote:
My point is that the only way to get the bat hitting the ball is to time a single shot, not to do any continuous shooting, even with 10 fps. I posted two shots in a related topic yesterday (http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-198377-2.html#3361045 ).


Yea, I think I saw that post. If it is the one that I am thinking of, you had a couple of shots. Nice pics. I am not arguing the fact that you have to time the shot, but wouldn't you agree that the shorter interval between shots gives you a better chance of getting the exact shot you want?
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