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Apr 28, 2024 10:21:17   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
These days all outlets seem to have a political spin on the news and I am not so blind as to not see that the outlets I consume news from have a definite spin, sometimes to the point that even a far righty such as myself gets a bit fed up with it. However, I do believe that there is a well funded activist organization that will take up any cause against societal norms in this country and that they are currently active in the protests against Israel.


Agree, but college students are vehemently opposed to war and injustices of rights. It's difficult to know how much is organic activism and ideology and I want to be part of something important.

I find that watching and reading AP, Reuters, and non-editorial news from WSJ, NYTimes, Chicago Tribune I get a pretty straight up reporting. I then watch CNN and Fox to get both slants to check my own opinion. Checking in on BBC and Al Jazeera is useful too. I then dig deeper into the source primary documents for confirmation of facts.
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Apr 28, 2024 08:20:50   #
Effate wrote:
I don’t give a squat about H****r or his laptop. My point was they all knew it was his and what was on it and seemingly a concerted effort to quash the story or paint it as Russian disinformation when the FBI knew exact what it was. The press sat on the story or went along with the Russian disinformation story in order to not wound Joe. I really do know how you can draw such a distinction. https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/opinion-potomac-watch/the-h****r-biden-laptop-disinformation-is-exposed/4e8baf05-447c-419e-80d8-7424827c7b52
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Blinken and Morrell had a conversation. Morrell says Blinken didn't request the letter and Blinken says the same. The signees have testified that Morrell wss the impetus for the letter. I believe it's another shoot, aim misfire by Comer and Jordan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/04/21/h****r-biden-laptop-jim-jordan/

https://www.newsweek.com/h****r-biden-laptop-jim-jordan-facebook-disinformation-twitter-1767369
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Apr 27, 2024 20:13:26   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
I understand that there can be honest and legitimate concerns about US policy and Israel, personally I side with Israel but I don't have any reason to have ill will with those calling for a ceasefire but I don't see that as what is happening on our college campuses.


Watch the coverage from a different viewpoint.
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Apr 27, 2024 19:27:47   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Would you say the same of a bunch of White kids running around campus waving Rebel f**gs chanting we are KKK? There is no difference Denny.


They'd get arrested just as the those who are chanting pro-Hamas lines. Terrorism is terrorism.

But, that is not the core group who have been protesting the war since October and wanting some t***sparency of funding from pro-Israeli sources. Their requests have gone nowhere so peaceful protests and exercising free speech is their next step. There are bad actors among them as pro-Hamas and antisemitic. Were back to the Charlotte and B*M protests where a broad brush is used for a few.
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Apr 27, 2024 18:56:46   #
btbg wrote:
I hope for that as well but am less optimitix than you that it will occur.


I can be hopeful without being optimistic.
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Apr 27, 2024 18:45:36   #
Effate wrote:
So by you definition how is CBS,NBC,CNN,MSNBC and others doing essentially a catch and k**l on the laptop story after it’s authentication possibly influenced by some elements in the DOJ not a crime. Seems to me a candidate need not do their opponent’s research and offer the goods. We see examples from both sides every cycle.


H****r is not a candidate and no link has been made to his dad. It was dirty business from the get go and with Lev Parnas and Rudy Giuliani as the mouthpieces, you should understand the skepticism. When access was not given to any outlet besides Fox and the Post, the other outlets were not able to confirm much. It's been a big nothing burger as it turns out. It does not reach the scale of a p**********l candidate, himself, committing the fraud on the American v****g public.
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Apr 27, 2024 18:33:19   #
btbg wrote:
They do not have clean hands in the court of puvlic oppinion, but each time their is a co flict Israel does not start it. The court of public oppinion does not appear to believe that Israel should have the right to defend themselves.

As to surgical strikes or not I bekieve that is their intent. You and I bith know that Hamas hides among civilians so if you try to attack Hamas you get civilians. No one in their right mind should take the Palestinian Authority's word for anything. They are proven liars. Look at the hospital they hit with their own rocket and tried to blame Israel for. Israel has made many mistakes, but defending themswlves aggressively is not one of them.

You are correct that we see things very differently. I understand that you have gone back and looked at some of the history, which most who are condemning Israel have not, and I appreciate that.

Unfortunately I think that in many cases you are looking at the wrong articles and are not going back far enough.

You have cited the Oslo Accords more than once and yes the PLO finally accepted Israels right to exist and then the Palestinians chose an even more radical government. The only Palestinians I really feel sorry for are the small group of Palestinian Christians that have been persecuted by Hamas and now have to endure the attack from Israel as well. If the Palestinians don't want women and children to die all they have to do is stop hiding within the general populace and return the hostages. If they do that Israel will finish destroying all the tunnels and leave. Thats on them.
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Hopefully, the latest efforts by Egypt and other countries in the area to create a cease fire agreement and hostage return will bring the temperature down...for awhile at least.
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Apr 27, 2024 17:24:54   #
Effate wrote:
He unapologetically lied regarding Romney not paying taxes for ten years on the Senate floor right before the e******n.


He was wrong just like Trump was wrong to start stories about Obama's birth. Dirty business and opposition research and meant to impact a campaign and/or e******n. But, done out in front of everyone for people to make their own credibility determination. Using the Enquirer behind the scenes prevents a campaign or individual the ability to address their accusers directly and call them out for their lies.
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Apr 27, 2024 17:17:42   #
btbg wrote:
Iran won't end the war. They wanted it, they funded it and they trained Hamas.

I don't understand how you can recognize that if Hamas is gone they will get some otjer terrorist group to tale their place and still say theee are innocents involves. They are just teaching thos innocents to h**e Israel too.

I really don't know what else Israel was supposted to do. If they.don't go after Hamas the attacks will never end and if they do the world suddenly decides they are the bad guys.

Iran and Hamas are evil. That is just a fact that shiuld enter into the equation, yet our college students are siding with evil that has publicly stated their desire to destroy both Israel and us. It is lunacy no matter how badly you feel for the Palestinian people. The vast majority of them brought this on themselves.

Its not like Israel is targeting women and children. They are targeting Hamas so they are hiding in the middle of women and children.
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There are reports that what Israel calls surgical strikes are not. Students don't want Israel to keep bombing Palestinians and want their schools to remove themselves from anti-Palestinian and pro-Israel funding. I haven't seen mass support for Iran or Hamas except for some extremists. It's not the core of the pro-Palestinian movement

You see it very differently than I do. Israel does not come to the court of public opinion with clean hands.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/s-palestinian-protests-us-rcna143666
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Apr 27, 2024 16:38:59   #
Effate wrote:
So by your definition Harry Reid should have been prosecuted for walking across that bridge.


That's a bit cryptic. Could you be more specific. General whatabouts aren't always relevant. I'm not aware of Reid in Nevada making up stories or hiding damaging stories. He developed a hard hitting opposition research on opponents which you and I agree are actions before the bridge too far. If he made up something like the Ted Cruz story from Trump and Pecker, please post it.

What's current and relevant is that Pecker & Cohen (if he corroborates the hearsay) testified that they knew they were committing e******n i**********e but that it didn't matter because Trump had AG (Sessions) in his pocket. I hope Sessions is also a witness.
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Apr 27, 2024 15:13:46   #
Effate wrote:
Merely speaking to Pecker’s testimony. Based solely the reported testimony so far enlighten me on what I am not seeing or specifically what you take issue with in my last post.


My definitions which you probably don't share:

Opposition Research is digging dirt on opponent and broadcasting it.

Creating dirt (f**e news) on opponents and broadcasting it is subverting a f**r e******n, i.e., a bridge too far.

Catch and k**l to prevent personal embarrassment and fallout to families and livelihood paid by individuals is tabloid journalism. Despicable, but invited and accepted by our society for their entertainment purposes.

Catch and k**l to prevent personal embarrassment and fallout to families and livelihood paid by individuals and mis-applied in the company books to subvert knowledge related to a political candidate is e******n i**********e, i.e., a bridge too far.
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Apr 27, 2024 14:05:25   #
Effate wrote:
I read The NY Times account and Pecker claimed that so called “catch and k**l” was a normal part of his business model and detailed many, many top celebrities that he protected. The “only” difference was when he was asked how many of those celebrities were running for office. As to Cohen you know the defense will impeach a convicted perjurer (criminal courts and congress) and the jury will receive instructions as to what weight to lend to his testimony. Additionally, I’m pretty sure the defense will argue that in any p**********l e******n your opponent does opposition research and you do what you can to mitigate damage to potentially harmful allegations. In Trump’s case the stories seem to be a bit more salacious than the usual candidate (although not unheard of).
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There was a bridge too far crossed; you either see it or you don't.
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Apr 27, 2024 14:03:26   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
To destroy the leadership and the military structure that Hamas has built over the years, as well as it's infrastructure under the ground and cities is the current goal of Israel. In doing so it will minimize the severity of the future threat coming from the Gaza Strip for years to come. That is what is happening in Gaza and you are quite correct that it is coming at a great cost to the Palestinian people, but they are the same people who have elected a terrorist organization to govern Gaza and they have supported the attack of 10/7 as well as all previous attacks on the Israeli people. No one wants to see women, children, and even men k**led, but Israel did not ask for this war however for the security of their people they will fight it and they will pursue their goal of eliminating Hamas to the point that it is no longer a near term threat.
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Israel has been keeping the festering war going for years by supporting Hamas thinking that it agreed with their plan for one nation from "river to sea".
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Apr 27, 2024 14:00:16   #
Blurryeyed wrote:
Why does the world so dislike and even h**e the Jews? Even in this country before the current situation in Gaza h**e crimes in this country were disproportionately committed against Jews, and if you look at the UN v****g record that involves Israel, well it does not reflect common sense and fairness.


I agree. Jews have continually been persecuted. Israel as a nation state is different than Jews as a religion and heritage. I believe that Netanayhu has been aligned with Hamas to the detriment of Jews in both Palestine and Israel. He also had made a deal with the devil.

https://www.ajc.org/news/10-tough-questions-on-antisemitism-explained

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-20/ty-article-opinion/.premium/a-brief-history-of-the-netanyahu-hamas-alliance/0000018b-47d9-d242-abef-57ff1be90000

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
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Apr 27, 2024 13:49:11   #
Effate wrote:
Have you ever heard the “ham sandwich” theory? The grand jury hears exactly what Bragg wants them to hear.


How often does that really happen? Over indicting leads to case losses.

This was one person's opinion while trying to dismantle the grand jury process. I doubt the depiction is any more credible than the person saying it.

"This phrase was originated by former New York State Chief Judge Sol Wachtler in a 1985 interview with The New York Daily News. He was making reference to his bid to eliminate the grand jury system from the New York judicial process.

Judge Wachtler had said that grand juries are merely pawns of the District Attorney’s office and are no longer a “shield for injustice” for citizens. He remarked that the prosecutors have so much influence over grand juries that they can get them to do their bidding, even to the point of indicting a ham sandwich.

Essentially, what Judge Wachtler was saying is that the system of the grand jury is slanted in favor of the prosecution and will generally arrive at wh**ever result the prosecutor’s office wants them to.

Strangely enough, in 1992, Wachtler himself was indicted on charges of extortion, racketeering, and blackmail. He entered a guilty plea to criminal harassment and kidnapping threats. He resigned as Judge and from the State Bar, and served 13 months in prison."

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-a-grand-jury-would-indict-a-ham-sandwich-as-Carvers-lawyer-and-his-lawyer-Joe-Long-implied

https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/11/sol-wachtler-the-judge-who-coined-indict-a-ham-sandwich-was-himself-indicted.html#

You'll hear more from Alito as he did yesterday.
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