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Dec 29, 2017 12:11:05   #
yorkiebyte wrote:
Great camera, by the way. Medium format film has no look comparable to any digital. It is unique. Have fun with that camera!!


That is my plan once I get it working properly. I got the camera with 4 film inserts (2 120 [1 with a box so you can carry it loaded and ready to pop into the camera] & 2 220), 3 lenses 55/2.8; 80/2.8 & 155/3.5 and a left hand grip/cold shoe mount for $300 delivered. I have had to put in a new battery ~$10 and purchased light seals $12 delivered. I am hoping that this gets it up and running.

My plan is to evaluate MF with this body and, if I decide I really like it, upgrade the body to a Super, Pro or Pro TL body as those models all have interchangeable backs and can use my lenses. It would be nice to have a meter in the viewfinder, but mine does not; the next body will. I have a meter, so my first task is getting the meter tweaked so that it works with the camera. I was running my first roll through the camera after having synched my meter to my N90s body for exposures. The plan was to scan the shots into the computer and then go into Lightroom and see how much exposure comp I needed to dial in. That would then give me the delta I need to dial into my meter to account for the particular camera and scanner combo. The light leak issue (whether from the missing seals or the shutter) have sidetracked the process at this point.

I do look forward to getting this issue fixed and playing with this camera. I have done loads of darkroom work in the past, but have not done so for a while. It felt good to be back in the darkroom at least for the film development part. I don't see buying an enlarger and going that route when I can scan in the negatives, but I do rather like developing my own film. My plan for this week, while I am waiting for the new seals to arrive, is to build a DIY film drying cabinet. I think I can do it for under $35, maybe a bit less.
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Dec 28, 2017 10:13:08   #
RWR wrote:
The film on the spool is wound between the backing paper and would not, as I noted earlier, become progressively lighter from the first frame to the last if there were a light leak in the camera. (And the streak is visible on the last frame.) Once wound on the reel the last frame would be on the inside and, if struck by light from the outside before processing, would receive less light than the first frame as the light passed through each successive layer of film. That looks to me to be the case.
To know for sure what happened you need to eliminate one variable at a time. If it were me, I would expose another roll in the same manner as the first, taking no special precautions to keep the camera out of the light, but take extra care when loading the reel and processing the film. If you replace the seals first, and got no streaks, you still would not know when the film was light-struck. Good luck!

Edit: Well, I’ve embarrassed myself! I was looking left to right instead of top to bottom and now see that the streaks are not consistent at all. New seals are definitely in order. I shall now crawl back into my hole!
The film on the spool is wound between the backing... (show quote)


No problem. Actually, the streak is not visible on the last frame - there were 3 more shots after what I posted. The last shot was at 1/500, which was a red herring. It was, however immediately wound into the roll and did not spend time near the leak. The varying intensity was due to some shots having a follow-up shot taken quickly on their heels and others were there for a while while setting up a new shot - in bright sun. After looking at the camera, the seals are the answer that best explains everything. At $12 to get the kit, I am not out much if that is not the culprit. I will report back when I have installed the seals and shot a roll of Tri-X.
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Dec 28, 2017 09:50:45   #
TriX wrote:
Always good practice to change the seals on an older camera - relatively easy and inexpensive insurance. BTW, if you don’t have a copy, here’s a link to the manual - note the section on operation in cold temperatures: http://www.butkus.org/chinon/mamiya/mamiya_m645/mamiya_m645.htm


Good point. I have ordered the new kit. I had read the manual, but thanks for the link. I have a brand new battery in the camera. I had let the camera get cold, but it was in the car when not actually shooting. I was too, it was COLD!!!
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Dec 28, 2017 09:09:59   #
I have opened the camera and note the following:

On the body there is nothing in the vertical side channels where the door edge rests or in the top channel and there is an old strip at the bottom on the bottom edge.

On the door, there are old strips at the side edges and on the top edge, but nothing at the bottom.

Based on light strip kits I see on line, it looks like there is significant missing light strips. I will order and use one of these kits before trying this body again. I will update at that time. Thanks to all for the input.
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Dec 28, 2017 06:50:49   #
Jerry G wrote:
I'd suggest that it is not the shutter, as the fogging goes all the way to the edge of the film. Because the fog is in the same place on each frame I would thank it is in the camera. The last frame is not fogged, that would suggest the fog happens after the film is exposed while sitting near the bottom seal.


Great observation about the streak going to the edge of the film. If it were the shutter, it would only go to the edge of the image and the film between the image and edge would be clear? I will have to look at the seals.
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Dec 27, 2017 22:54:45   #
bpulv wrote:
Growing up in a digital world, you got it backwards. In fact, in the pre-digital world grain was considered the enemy. We played a tradeoff game between high ISO and grain. The higher the ISO of the film, the larger and more objectionable the grain. I remember when Kodak had three main emulsions that most photographers used. Plus-X was a medium speed film (I think it was ASA 125?) with medium grain, Tri-X was the fast ISO 400 or ISO 360 film with more pronounced grain and Panatomic-X was an ISO 32 film that was used when small grain was essential. There were many other films too such as Royal-X pan that had a very high ASA; 1600 if I recall correctly. Its grain was like golf balls by comparison to Tri-X. Those were the most used films for 35mm and medium format. If you counted the sheet film types, there were more that two dozen. One of the many reasons that the 4 X 5" format was popular in those days was that less enlargement was require to make a given size print and therefore the grain was enlarged less and in most cases not noticeable.

As time went by, Kodak and others came out with developers such as Microdol and much later T-Max that produced smaller grain with existing films, but we could never completely eliminate the enemy, grain.

The fact is that the desire for a grainy look today has grown out of a nostalgia for something that was undesirable in its own time.
Growing up in a digital world, you got it backward... (show quote)


I dunno. I shot Tri-X for B&W from the 1970s through about 2005 when I more or less switched to digital to cover my kids events. I have always liked the journalistic look and feel of Tri-X. Now for color, I prefer a more grain-free look - Velvia until I run out - then Ektar or Portra depending on what I am shooting. Different strokes.
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Dec 27, 2017 22:06:59   #
RWR wrote:
Spindle, or processing reel?


Oh, you are talking about the developing tank reel. It was loaded in a dark changing bag. The tank or changing bag would have to be defective. Again, why at the same spot on every frame. This looks more mechanical.
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Dec 27, 2017 21:50:48   #
RWR wrote:
The streak grows progressively lighter from start to end. Could the film have been light-struck after being loaded onto the reel?


Good question. The film was loaded into the camera in a dim room and removed the same way. If it were a light strike, I would think you would see it at different parts of the frame on successive frames because of the way the film wraps around it’s spindle.
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Dec 27, 2017 21:47:36   #
TriX wrote:
Hmmm. Well, then I’d say that’s consistent with the shutter curtain timing being the issue (longer exposure at the top of the frame). Agree?


Seems so. I am going to find a warm place to shoot a roll tomorrow to see if the extreme cold contributed to the issue. It was 4*F out and I left the camera in the car over night in the garage, but it was at about freezing in the garage. The camera and its bag are in the house tonight. With any luck, it will work tomorrow and a COA will put it all right. Time will tell.
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Dec 27, 2017 19:07:11   #
TriX wrote:
I don’t think it could be processing. If it were, the flaws would be vertical (in line with the edges of the film), not across the film as shown. Also doesn’t look like the typical fog from a light leak. My guess is the same as Ron’s - a shutter curtain adjustment issue (I believe the shutter curtains move horizontally on the 645 - is that correct?). You might remove the back, shoot against a blank wall at low shutter speed and physically watch the curtain movement.


I watched the shutter. It moves top to bottom with the horizontal line going horizontally across the landscape format. Winding,moves it back to the top.
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Dec 27, 2017 18:40:32   #
Thinking more on this issue. The guy I bought this camera from said he film tested it and it worked fine. I wonder if it being about 4*F outside might have caused shutter issues. I may have to try it in a warmer setting tomorrow and see what happens.
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Dec 27, 2017 16:35:30   #
RichardSM wrote:
Light leaks would be more like a fogging, it looks like your developer was not consistently covering the film emulsion correctly in your tank.


That was my first thought. I saw something similar when I did not put enough chemical in the tank when developing 2 rolls of 35mm many years ago. The problem here, however, is that the blemish is in the middle of the frames and it runs from rim to rim of the developer tank reel. I can’t see how the chemical could be that selective and hit basically the same place on each frame. If that was the issue, I would expect the banding to run down 1 edge of the film. I put 570mm of developer in an Omega tank and it only calls for 550 for 1 roll of 120, 570 for 2 rolls of 135. I wanted to be sure I had it covered. I am open to more info to understand how this could occur.
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Dec 27, 2017 16:26:44   #
Rongnongno wrote:
That can also come from a faulty curtain.

Is this across films or just this one?


This is the first roll I have run through this camera. It is Ilford Hp5, which is not known for having issues. My daughter bought the roll for me for Christmas from the local camera store, so I know that it was reasonably fresh. The expiration date was in 2019.

ETA: The only frame that did not have this issue was the only frame shot at 1/500 sec.
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Dec 27, 2017 16:15:37   #
I recently got a new M645 body and just got out to shoot it today. I developed the film and got what you see in the attached contact sheet - actually a digital shot of the negatives on an iPad light table. As you can see, in most of the images there is a light streak (dark in the negatives) running across the film. In the M645, the film feeds from the top of the camera to the bottom and the long side is horizontal on the film strip. My first thought was that I screwed something up in the development process, but the blemishes are pretty uniform on each frame and are not co-linear on the film strip.

I am stumped, but it looks like a light leak of some sort to me. I appreciate your opinions.

ETA, FWIW, the shots in the left column were shot with an 80mm lens and the rest of the shots shown were shot with a 55mm lens.


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Dec 27, 2017 13:26:47   #
gray_ghost2 wrote:
Thanks for all your suggestions. With my camera on the way, Canon 7d m2 faster ISO and with my Sigma 70-200mm f2.8 for low light, I now have the right equiptment. Acouple of more questions.
1. Night football games, High ISO 1000< plus higher shutter spd 1200+, will the fstop adjust or do I need to set it?
2. Daytime sports, ISO 800<, shutter spd 1000+, let the fstop auto adjust or preset?
3. Indoor events, similar to night games?
4. Go out and shoot.


For action sports, I shoot aperture priority and meter the darkest part of the field/court/gym adjusting the ISO so that my minimum shutter is where I want it. So, set the aperture, set the ISO and let the shutter automatically adjust. If the lighting gets worst, adjust the ISO.

#3 - sometimes worse.
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